Player Features and Ideas Discussion

The Forge is the most populous area in EVE and is home to the heart of the economy. By far the bulk of trade goes into and out of it and it is home to the largest population of miners and mission runners.

If your "slight exaggeration" was anywhere near being true we would see hundreds, not a paltry few dozen, ganked ships.

'Don't fly what you can't afford to lose' also applies to cargo.

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If people fit and flew their ships properly, ganking would be almost non-existent.

Ganking and piracy doesn't need a nerf. The knowledge of players just needs a buff.

I heartily suspect that even if a mass conspiracy to be less stupid took place amongst high sec miners and haulers etc, and we all started fitting our ships 'properly' (and that in itself is open to interpretation), I don't imagine that ganking would suddenly stop. Gankers would adapt their strategy and continue. Not everyone runs from a challenge.

My issue with CCP adding more protection to high sec to squeeze out gankers is that whatever they do will just make life in high sec more predictable and mundane. That in turn encourages people to be logged on but absent, it gives less incentive for people to join with other players in social activities (less danger means its even easier to go solo) and it continues to separate us from the rest of the game. These don't appear to be things which CCP is in a huge hurry to encourage for (hopefully) obvious reasons.

I'm not sure I understand why some people think that ganking is so prevalent either? A few months ago I ran into another miner who was having a huge girly fit of hysteria (I am an actual girl and I swear I couldn't have done any better) about CODE being 'everywhere' and 'driving us out of EVE' and 'ruining all our lives' etc . So I took a look through the kill records of their then 271 membership and found a surprisingly small amount of kills and destroyed assets. Mr. Wetting-His-Frilly-Bloomers Miner insisted that CODE had been rolling hundreds of freighters, Orcas and barges every single day, but I couldn't see any indications of this actually being true, the reality was really much less dramatic and exciting! Of course there are other ganking groups as well as CODE, but whichever way you look at it, it just isn't the cataclysmic epidemic some of us like to think it is!

Obviously there will be some who get unlucky on multiple occasions and some routes are going to be problem areas, but we are not obliged to give into the pro-ganker propaganda! We have the right and the capability to think for ourselves! So lets... you know... do that! Yeah!

First off, I didn't say that you can't use smaller ships to kill a bigger ship. I said that you need A larger ship to gank A larger ship. I was referring to solo ganking. Of course you can take a fleet of cats to kill one marauder or "officer fit" (what ever THAT means) battleship. Hell, you can probably use a fleet of frigs to take down a marauder or battleship if you have enough of them. The problem there is that the individual pay off is greatly reduced. Do you want to take a fleet of dessies and have to split the profit 10+ ways, or do you want to solo your target with a larger ship and keep all the profit for yourself?

Secondly, anyone who thinks that an "officer fit" anything is going to save them from being ganked, then they deserve to get blown up and podded. The only thing having an officer fit means is that you have a decent amount of money. Presumably enough money to replace your fancy ship if you lose it. If you don't have enough to replace it, it means that (1) you probably shouldn't be flying it, and (2) you probably spend the vast majority of your money on a fit that is more expensive than the hull.



Suppose someone wanted to stop ganking for a while and pursue other hisec activities. Mining, perhaps (which is rare and unusual), or maybe a ganker decides that he needs a quick, large influx of ISK and chooses to run missions for a while (also somewhat unlikely). Or maybe he's decided that he wants to take up ninja looting for a while. Ninja looting would be a real pain in the ass as KOS. And forget about going to any of the hubs for any trading that you might want to do. Most people would just choose to go with an alt. But in doing that, you either have to pay CCP more money for a second account or you have to log off of your main character to switch to another character on the same account, which causes what ever you are trying to do to take more time because you can't have both characters active at the same time.

It's not that it's particularly difficult to live in HS as KOS. You just have to take a little bit more care. You can't cut as many corners or be as complacent. It's challenging because you have to pay attention to things and be a little more accurate. You have to remember things like it's not a good idea to just fly straight to a station; you need to use an insta dock/warp and d-scan the station before you dock. It's just another way to live in HS. It has its benefits, but it comes with some serious drawbacks and limitations. Nobody can argue that life as a pirate doesn't sufficiently implement risk vs. reward. People just think that there are no consequences because they refuse to take the time to TRY piracy for themselves. The same way you get all these hisec dwellers who talk about how ****** and "stagnant" nullsec is...even though they've never been there to try it for themselves. They just repeat what they hear all the other sheep say, and inevitably develop a deluded perspective.

Oh wait... you were serious?

Take it from someone who deals with large numbers of people on a daily basis. People don't think. They react and consume, but very rarely think.