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Daide Vondrichnov French Drop-O-Panache Snuffed Out Likes received: 59	#161 - 2015-01-05 16:22:26 UTC \| Edited by: Daide Vondrichnov So many non-factors are posting here... i love it.

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Panther X Destructive Influence Northern Coalition. Likes received: 140	#162 - 2015-01-05 16:25:32 UTC Daide Vondrichnov wrote: So many non factors are posting here... i love it. Non factors? My Titan smells of rich Corinthian Leather...

Panther X

Destructive Influence

Northern Coalition.

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#163 - 2015-01-05 16:29:07 UTC

Nors Phlebas Sabelhpsron wrote:

Vadeim Rizen wrote:

This "tactic" lame as it may be IS balanced. Take the fight in a different system. It's no different than rushing into a fight and seeing 5 friends warp in for assistance. If you take the fight without looking around system then you open yourself up to the attack. If you suspect someone is doing that, don't take the fight in said system.

I've never used the tactic as it is quite petty, but is not over-powered as it is so easily countered.

It's not balanced if you have to never engage it. Why should a ship be able to lock a small fleet out of a system without ever having to leave the safety of its POS?

As the super, or carrier for that matter, I have no direct interaction with anything off grid. Only the on grid ship has any interaction.

My Titan smells of rich Corinthian Leather...


Daide Vondrichnov French Drop-O-Panache Snuffed Out Likes received: 59	#164 - 2015-01-05 16:34:55 UTC 2 Panther X wrote: Daide Vondrichnov wrote: So many non factors are posting here... i love it. Non factors? Useless people, ppl that dont count, that are not revelant. Coz that's what you are right now, Denying obvious facts just to keep alive your "I WIN" button.

Panther X

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#165 - 2015-01-05 16:39:22 UTC

Daide Vondrichnov wrote:

Definetly over-powered, and hope that CCP will bring an answer to this tard situation where we can't roam in some systems because of this sh...

It's kind of funny to hear you say that. Do you think that you would have won if the two nyx's dropped on grid with you in that Onyx bubble of death?

So you can't roam in NA.'s space because your skerred of nyx drops?

Kinda sounds like you need to up your game a bit. Take some examples from other groups like Lazerhawks. Those guys aren't skerred of nuthin. I respect them for that.

But for you crying because you "can't roam...because of this sh..." and that's an exact quote mind you, that's just delicious delicious tears from someone who really should just go back to ninja salvaging and can flipping newbs in hisec.

My Titan smells of rich Corinthian Leather...


Panther X Destructive Influence Northern Coalition. Likes received: 140	#166 - 2015-01-05 16:41:38 UTC Daide Vondrichnov wrote: Panther X wrote: Daide Vondrichnov wrote: So many non factors are posting here... i love it. Non factors? Useless people, ppl that dont count, that are not revelant. Coz that's what you are right now, Denying obvious facts just to keep alive your "I WIN" button. Youmadbro? My Titan smells of rich Corinthian Leather...

Daide Vondrichnov

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#167 - 2015-01-05 17:00:10 UTC | Edited by: Daide Vondrichnov

Panther X wrote:

Roaming in some systems ? Yes that's a fact.

Then someone like you talking about roam is funny, while you are just x'ing up for blob fleet is also funny but meh, i'm not allowed to troll ya here.

Then talking about Lazerhawks, (they must be proud btw), if you are talking about how they dunked you supers (Srly...), they would have never tried that if it wasnt sure that PL was ready to back up them.

If you talk about this one https://beta.eve-kill.net/br/373/ you would notice than he was tackled in anom, without any subcap back up, then yes it's a situation what you can handle, and even without subcap they were able to lose some ishtars... (Gz to them anyway), Then if those "honest anom-farmers" would have bring subcaps with their carriers as back up, LZX would have call back up for more ppl in other WH corps.

(See i dont hate you, i'm even learning you how this game works)

Panther X wrote:

Daide Vondrichnov wrote:

Panther X wrote:

Daide Vondrichnov wrote:

So many non factors are posting here... i love it.

Non factors?

Useless people, ppl that dont count, that are not revelant.

Coz that's what you are right now, Denying obvious facts just to keep alive your "I WIN" button.

Youmadbro?

You're calling me mad when you are bringing alliance mates in this thread, to have more props to your idea ?

C'mon

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Guntact Caldari Provisions Caldari State Likes received: 4	#168 - 2015-01-05 17:04:09 UTC 1 At first I had an eloquent reponse to this OP; however, I decided not to dignify the utter uselessness of this post by responding with any other coherent thought except to say, "NO". Leave my fighters alone and give me sentries back!

Daide Vondrichnov

French Drop-O-Panache

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#169 - 2015-01-05 17:06:18 UTC

Guntact wrote:

At first I had an eloquent reponse to this OP; however, I decided not to dignify the utter uselessness of this post by responding with any other coherent thought except to say, "NO".

Leave my fighters alone and give me sentries back!

Supers are not supposed to be able to kill subcaps that easily, that's why they have been nerfed. But CCP didnt seen that those supers, post-drone change, would get fighters with 0.5 rad/s tracking.

corbexx

Sebiestor Tribe

Minmatar Republic

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#170 - 2015-01-05 17:08:28 UTC

Daide Vondrichnov wrote:

Guntact wrote:

Supers are not supposed to be able to kill subcaps that easily, that's why they have been nerfed. But CCP didnt seen that those supers, post-drone change, would get fighters with 0.5 rad/s tracking.

You'll get them higher than 0.5, more like 0.737rad/s which is pretty crazy

Corbexx for CSM X - Wormholes still deserve better

Panther X

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#171 - 2015-01-05 17:16:30 UTC

Daide Vondrichnov wrote:

You're calling me mad when you are bringing alliance mates in this thread, to have more props to your idea ?

C'mon

Well when an idea is a bad one, which this is, we can't just sit idly by while others make our decisions for us. And for the record, yes, I will make sure that my alliance can express our opinion as well. What's wrong with that? Sheesh.

I don't always fly in roams, but when I do..

It's always funny to hear the word BLOB tossed around like it's a curse or verbotten to fly in a big group.

Is it a blob when there are 27 of you dropping on 1 of them? No, that's a target of opportunity. Is it a target of opportunity when you get blobbed solo by 27 guys? Yeah sure, why not?

That's not an argument, that's an opinion, and just like any opinion, they are like butts. They usually stink and are full of crap.

So if you want to call us a blob because we fly in big groups think about where we live. We live outside of Russian lowsec and Fountain. In between Lowsechnaya and Goons. If you don't fly at least 100+ in a fleet, there's 125 somewhere else looking for you.

So come on now, don't resort to trolling your way versus ours. The changes you are proposing to supers have nothing at all to do with anything other than the fact that you are scared to roam in someone's space who owns them cause you don't like getting pwned by power blocks who can afford them and aren't afraid to use them.

My Titan smells of rich Corinthian Leather...


Daide Vondrichnov French Drop-O-Panache Snuffed Out Likes received: 59	#172 - 2015-01-05 17:19:02 UTC 1 Panther X wrote: aren't afraid to use them. You made my day...

Panther X

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#173 - 2015-01-05 17:21:20 UTC

corbexx wrote:

Daide Vondrichnov wrote:

Guntact wrote:

Supers are not supposed to be able to kill subcaps that easily, that's why they have been nerfed. But CCP didnt seen that those supers, post-drone change, would get fighters with 0.5 rad/s tracking.

You'll get them higher than 0.5, more like 0.737rad/s which is pretty crazy

That it is. But that also comes at price, losing tank. Also remember that the fighter is by all intensive purposes, a frigate sized drone. Why should it not be able to attack subcapital ships? That's what frigates do. I think here is where the whole crux of the argument falls apart.

Why can a piloted frigate sized ship NOT attack other subcapital ships?

If you do not answer that question, then you cannot expect the mechanic to change.

If you want supers to only be able to attack capital class ships them nerf them out of existence like titans have been and make them only carry fighter bombers. Delete fighters altogether. Then we can go back to Ishtars online.

That's the point no one has addressed isnt it?

My Titan smells of rich Corinthian Leather...

Guntact

Caldari Provisions

Caldari State

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#174 - 2015-01-05 17:25:04 UTC

Nors Phlebas Sabelhpsron wrote:

...
How to win EVE for very little effort and risk:
Have a supercarrier online, and sitting either at the edge of a pos field or next to an offline tower with the tower management dialog box open, password typed in, and therefore one click away from force field up
...

Ok, the OP in itself is bunk, but an underlying point is well taken...the tower mechanic does need attention. Simply clicking a button to get safe in the FF is ridonkulous!

Leave my fighters alone and give me sentries!

Penna Bianca

Viziam

Amarr Empire

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#175 - 2015-01-05 17:25:35 UTC

corbexx wrote:

Daide Vondrichnov wrote:

Guntact wrote:

Supers are not supposed to be able to kill subcaps that easily, that's why they have been nerfed. But CCP didnt seen that those supers, post-drone change, would get fighters with 0.5 rad/s tracking.

You'll get them higher than 0.5, more like 0.737rad/s which is pretty crazy

You can only do that with Einherji and you need 3x Faction TE + 3x Faction Omnilinks + TS. But than anything < BS hull with mwd or oversized ab can outrun your fighters. Also what happened to simply jumping out to another system or setting up a trap or getting an awoxer, seems to work for most people capable of thinking like a normal person?

It seems like what you want is that people who invested time and isk and sp into supers to have nothing left which is not ok by any account. To me what it looks like is that you want easy kills ie. Ganks which is not suprising since that's what WH enviroment is basically less PVP and more of Gank.

I'm not a biggest fan of supers but I think that we have already nerfed them to the point of uselessnes. As someone who is representing players you should try and take a look at the subject from the perspective of both sides instead of pushing for something soley because you dislike it.


Panther X Destructive Influence Northern Coalition. Likes received: 140	#176 - 2015-01-05 17:37:45 UTC Daide Vondrichnov wrote: Panther X wrote: aren't afraid to use them. You made my day... I live to make people's day. You should see my memes. My Titan smells of rich Corinthian Leather...

Panther X

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#177 - 2015-01-05 17:51:47 UTC

Look at it this way.

Fighters do **** bugger all damage against deployables, capital ships and structures. Might as well use sentries. Only fighter bombers have real applied damage against those.

So; if fighters are not designed to attack those larger items, then they are doing exactly what they are designed for; attacking subcapitals.

Why shouldn't supers have fighters to defend themselves against subcapital ships (or to attack unsuspecting roamers)? Assigning only half at best the amount of their complement of drones (piloted ones at that) to in system fleet members is a tactic that works as designed. You can't assign fighter bombers.

If that mechanic is changed, then supers become, like titans, lawn ornaments only for the stupid rich and the crazy brave.

If you want to change something, then change Ishtars. They have really become the flavour of the month for fleet battles. Personally I hate them. But what else is there since jump range was nerfed?

Leave supers alone, CCP, you've already killed Supercapital force projection. Now let us keep our shinies at home, and blap these lowsec stains who come looking for easy kills Cool

My Titan smells of rich Corinthian Leather...

Onteros

Corona Corp

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#178 - 2015-01-05 17:53:46 UTC

idk what you all are crying about
fighters and figterbombers are fine as is and is working as intended

it will just turn into a floating taxi again with no purpose again like it was a while back
same like the titan was turned into a mobile jumpbridge therby turning it into a underused ship that seems to go against what the rebalancing of ships is all about ie getting people to USE THE SHIPS CCP PUT INTO THE GAME

Some points

if your worried about them scary fighters following you around in system easy burn back to gate and jump out and jump back into system wow them drones arnt following me around anymore wow magic wow man as crazy as that sounds it works yeah

if your worried about it being assisted to a cepter gues what that cepter only has max 2 points burn away and warp off man wow that works aswel if you cant do that you deserve to die because you are

A: BAD AT PVP
B:TERRIBLY BAD AT PVP
C:ALL OF THE ABOVE

ishtars is a problem. CCP should nerf em and nerf em hard let em use light and medium drones only.... did i just pick on one of the truely OP ships 9/10 of you guys fly oops my bad :)

**** seeing blob warfare seems something you guys always complain about as OP let em nerf that too yeah let fleets consist of only 3 squad members yeah because we cant think of better ways to fight Cry

asking CCP to line your sandbox with bubblewrap isnt gonna make you any better at pvp ok fine it might save you from loseing some braincells from thinking to mutch but its just gonna chase more people away from the game wicth = less of the autistic ****** fights you want Cry

point im getting at is eve is hard its supose to be that way if its to hard for you go play wow

enjoy your day Blink


Daide Vondrichnov French Drop-O-Panache Snuffed Out Likes received: 59	#179 - 2015-01-05 17:53:57 UTC Panther X wrote: blap these lowsec stains who come looking for easy kills We're roaming to find ppl to fight, not our fault if you are easy to kill...


Panther X Destructive Influence Northern Coalition. Likes received: 140	#180 - 2015-01-05 17:59:14 UTC Daide Vondrichnov wrote: Panther X wrote: blap these lowsec stains who come looking for easy kills We're roaming to find ppl to fight, not our fault if you are easy to kill... The Troll is strong with this one. My Titan smells of rich Corinthian Leather...

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