Player Features and Ideas Discussion

A simple session timer for onlining the pos will fix that. Want to be stupid and take down pos shield just to raise it up than add timer something like 3-5min.

Penna,

First, please, chill the **** out. Stop calling us bads, shitlords, gankers and all that crap. We're just raising something that we think is a problem with the game, and frankly I did it pretty maturely. If you can't discuss it like an adult you're in the wrong game.

Next, re this:



This is a problem people encounter daily. It will of course depend on your style of PvP whether you are affected by it; it's us small gang and solo pilots that bear the brunt. Don't believe me? Go check some killboards. From the amount of you in this thread opposing it, I'm guessing if I look up Kadeshi on eve-kill, Einherji is gonna be pretty high on the list of weapon systems used.

All the rest of your points, about the time it takes to get a super, about bumping them of the POS and simply leaving system have been addressed in the thread already. Although I will say that this:



Would also be acceptable to me. I don't think Fighters should be able to be assigned off grid, but given that before those modules affected them they were defanged to the point that this wasn't a problem I'd be happy to go back to that situation instead.

Well the main fact is that those carriers / supers are assining their drones at the edge of a forcefield, it means that you'll never be able to catch them.

So yeah there is no risks.

So actually most of the guys which don't want to see this change happen are low balls which are happy to have this i win button in case of aggressors in their systems, for exemple you can see the kadeshits complaining and calling us bad when can't undock while they haven't their fighters supports.

The issue there is POS's have needed a change and CCP has admitted they do for years now and nothing has changed. It easier to go about it a different way than ask for POS's to be changed Those poor mechanics and functions will out live the game.

CSM Corbexx is already doomsdaying this in island, i guess that our job here is over.

How is this even still a discussion? You want to apply your DPS, you should be on grid with the target. Period. End of Story.

It's same as offgrid boosting, people will just stop using those accounts if the feature will be removed, cause nobody
will bring a solo super on the gate into a small gang.

As far as fighters go just give em titan style sig scaling on weapons so they can't out damage the appropriate sized drones easily when used against sub battleship sized ships. (Sure they are frigate/cruiser sized vessels but they don't have a pod pilot at the helm directing gunnery ;)).

The main issue isn't fighters themselves its more the fact that someone can PVP ongrid in this manner while the investment that is putting the significant resources into the fight is pretty much immune to repercussion for all realistic intents and purposes.

Against an attentive Carrier/Super pilot you can't kill fighters anyway, they disappear even if you have fighters tackled/scrammed. The super just recalls them and reassigns them, doing so costs 15 seconds of DPS~ roughly from that fighter (around 225 DPS) but saves the 20 million isk investment, the best way to think of each fighter is a max gank Taranis with no tackle, that has infinite warp strength and 10x the EHP. For 20 million isk I would love a Taranis that goes twice as fast, can't be tackled with 3x large shield extenders worth of extra HP.

There aren't many small roaming gangs that have the ships with the potential to alpha a 6km/s Einherji with 100m sig (Which is about as hard to hit as most Interceptors in the game), while also not getting one-shot by said Einherjis. You can track them when they are shooting some guy, but good luck having any ship in your small gang tank 3k DPS and 11.6k Alpha. they one-shot almost every single frigate/destroyer hull in the game, and gank-fit cruisers/attack BCs, while being fast enough to catch them, and able to track them, you require about 3-4 Scimitars to perma tank fighters (If you can survive the alpha). This is a stock T2 fit Thanatos we are talking about which costs only 800 million isk after insurance, including the fighters, should you, in the incredibly unlikely case, lose it. The reality is that a Skynet Thanatos actually costs about the same as a Tech 3 OGB booster alt does. While being significantly safer than one.

Here is a p. Cheap (for a super) Skynet Nyx Which gives over 2k DPS to up to 3 ships, which normally are dirt cheap disposable Stiletto/Hyena/Atron etc. Nyx Einherjis have the same effective hitpoints of a tanked battlecruiser, while being harder to hit than an interceptor until they're on a target, they can alpha almost every single nano Cruiser and below in the game, and 2 shot HACs and Recons, with almost 25k Alpha.

The risk of these ships dying is incredibly low. A properly fit POS hugging Skynet Carrier sits on the edge of the POS Force Field with a good bookmark, You have Agility rigs and MWD on, If anything comes in to tackle you, you reapproach the POS shields, and with a good bookmark you only have to clear about 40m or so, which takes about 4-5 seconds for a Thanatos in a gang. I have been part of a group who did this extensively in lowsec, and even had titans dropped on the Carriers multiple times, the Thanatos made it back into the forcefield and survived, the chance of anything realistically stopping you and killing you is incredibly low, even a Triple Web, Triple scan res rigged, triple signal amplifier Daredevil landing on your carrier and webbing you within 1-2 sec is not enough to stop you because of the Carriers high mass will allow you to slowboat into the POS, and again, carriers that the group I have been a part of have easily survived in this scenario with Cyno web daredevil which dropped 4 dreads (The daredevil died in about 10 seconds to the POS guns).

In null-sec this is even safer because you can cynojam the system, (I have seen multiple supers in dead-end ratting pockets in Delve/Querious/Esotoria) assigning fighters in this manner. A properly fit tower will shred almost any gang without capitals. Especially if they don't have 20 logis and <100 dudes which is normally what is required to take down a tower like this.

I would again, like to iterate, that even if you go through incredibly high effort, high risk (You are risking your own capitals to be esclated on at a hostile tower) for most likely little to no reward (The lowsec group I run with have never lost a Thanatos even though we have had it dropped on about 5 times, twice with titans). Then the cost of the Thanatos pilot after insurance is 800 million isk, which is equilvilant to a Faction Ratting Battleship, an Off-grid booster including mindlink, most semi-pimped T3 Cruisers, or a single Plex. And it only leaves about 400 million isk in the best case (Fighters+DCUs drop) for the enemy.

I think the fighter assist mechanic has to go because it's too easy to exploit it. Even if you add POS restrictions, it's possible to make this Thanatos Unprobable, just swap MWD for 1 ECCM, roll with HG Spurs, An unprobable Tengu with RECCM and Xinstinct booster. this adds an extra ship into the mix, and about another 1.2b of cost (Tengu + HG Spurs), but requires anyone to find you to need full set of MG Virtues on maxed T3/Covert Ops, which almost the entirety of small gangs don't have at their disposal, and would probably only bring if they can be assed to kill you if you used this unprobable trick many times and had you on their radar, the enemy needs to spend more on implants than for your loss in the worst case, and they must risk those implants, especially in 0.0, and still have the right gang/ships to kill the Thanatos.

You can also exploit this in another cheaper way, although it requires more effort. By probing a Signature, or easier, a mission (although this is limited to lowsec and NPC 0.0 constellations), burning in a 10mn MWD Confessor or a fast interceptor to the edge of the deadspace, about 15,000-20,000 off. You can test by just having gang mate/alt inside the plex/mission cloaked try to warp to you, if they get message about not being able to warp then you are not far enough, check this at 15,000km every 500km or so, once you are able to be warped too, bookmark the spot and burn back towards the mission, checking until you have a bookmark about 3-4km off the edge off the deadspace area, then, you bring your carrier alt into the bookmark, and slowboat it towards the mission/plex area, once inside, just do preliminary check to make sure if a gangmate trys to warp to it they land in the plex, then you're good to go. Even if a Snaked Linked 10mn Confessor/Malediction or something finds your mission/plex it takes them over 20 mins

Excellent posts above.