CSM Campaigns

Had a fruitful chat with some random people I found in EVE today.

From over here.

I hope that you all had a great VD and the health clinics won't be hard pressed.

Could this be a big step forward to solving war declaration problems coupled with the "white knight" corporation list?

How often and what frequency do you question yourself for playing this game?

so you'd like to make wormholes safer?

When you look at war dec's you have on one side certain entities war decc'ing on a scatter gun type approach to get access to people operating in space, they want kills to keep their players active, they catch stupid people and people that want to fight, the rest just hide up and wait it out. So we have wasted war dec fees on one side and on the other people not playing Eve for a week and maybe more.

In many cases when a corp does fight other people see that and want to join in, so they start throwing in war dec's, so the industry corp now starts to die as people decamp to NPC corps. The people who throw carebears around as a term want to tie all these people into the corp so they can not walk away from the war, they don't care if those people leave the game because as far as they are concerned they are not Eve players anyway, but for CCP its a problem.

The last war dec I had I looked at my strengths and weaknesses and theirs, I assessed their time zones and did a lot of research on them including activating my scout account and watching them, by day 5 I had gathered the intel to become a major pain, my objective was to cause them issues in one of their activities, in doing so they did not renew the war dec, in fact I could have killed two T3's, but I found it more amusing to make them panic warp. I could do that because I am used to fighting against greater odds and my two PvP accounts are high SP. The intel I got was hard work, but included almost all their RR characters.

The issue here is that most hisec corps cannot deal with this, they do not have the will or the SP to do so, or so they believe, but most of all if they do fight back they get dog piled. There is no benefit in fighting back for them.

What I wanted to suggest was a mechanism where Concord records the defenders PvP activities, be it hits on the enemy ship, kills and even time out in space uncloaked, even losses but this excludes noob ships and shuttles. This gets lumped together and a calculation made to define a value in terms of hours or even days or maybe weeks depending on how active they were.

Simplistically I thought about applying that to the corp that war decc'd them only, so that this gave them a period of immunity for a period of time based on how well they fought, but having studied a number of corps that had been war decc'd recently I saw plenty of dog piling going on and we should also not ignore the number of one man war decs thrown on as a spoiler, so realised it had to deal with multiple war dec's. The mechanism gets a bit more difficult at this point because of that but could still be worked out with a bit of thought.

But my giving time of peace to corps based on their ability and efforts in fighting a war or wars, they could gain the most precious thing in hisec, a breathing space, which is something that I hope certain types of people would go for, thus giving content to the people that war dec.

Hopefully leading to less scatter gun war decs and a benefit from engaging no matter your skills.

I read the comments by corps that war dec and understood their issues, but its like so many things in this game, as soon as you try to build something the pressure hits you as you just start because there are too many bored big groups looking for something to shoot and then you fail before you start, and most people in what they define as the carebear group want to play a game which is not always death, but Eve is a PvP game in the main so they need something that is a benefit from fighting, there is nothing in terms of defending a war dec at the moment.

Personally I like the challenge of this game against people who have the mechanics all on their side even though when you read the forums you would think otherwise, but if you are under the cosh day after day, its no longer a game its an ordeal and how many people can stand that.

As most engagements (EDIT change to- As far as I understand a lot of engagements) in hisec happen on the undock then its down to the attacker to drive them off of it, but yes it can be gamed like so many mechanics in Eve. In any case the points from just being in space could be adjusted to be less from being on the undock.

Also the war dec's come to an end then the immunity applies, there may have to be a period where no new war dec's can go in so that the break occurs, but the thing is to give the people a reason to come out and fight even though they will get their butts kicked.

Perhaps EVE gives new players the wrong impression of the game and directs them into PVE and lets them think that high sec is the PVE area?