EVE General Discussion

I am not sure anyone here is defending the mechanic based on the fact it has a defined counter-mechanic - they are defending it based on the fact it has been ruled as a valid and legal game mechanic by CCP.

If someone was actually designing bumping as a new game mechanic then of course there should be a "counter", but that isn't the case - it is an emergent property of the way the game was designed. So no "bumping" does not have a simple counter that someone can show you.

There are ways to deal with bumping as outlined earlier in this thread though. And if you think you are being harassed, then by all means petition it, (although I think you are going to have to wait more than 10 minutes before a GM takes you seriously). But otherwise, bumping has been ruled a normal game mechanic so it is something you will have to deal with using the in-game methods already discussed.

But you can fit ECCM modules. You can launch drones. You can counteract it.

Every valid and legal mechanic in ANY game should have counter-mechanic otherwise it can be marked as "overpowered".

You can actually have very capable combat solo blackbird or falcon build that actively ECMs people and then attempts to kill them (sometimes successfully, sometimes not).

And if that was a typo and you ment ECCM:

ECCM - Magnetometric II: A secondary electronic array that provides a significant boost to sensor strength for a short time.
This module affects your ship and nearly doubles your sensor strengh, meaning theres lower chance that your enemy will jamm you on the next cycle. Meaning it counters (to a certain degree) enemy ECM module.

All reps fall under "Hitpoint regen mechanic" regardless if its local rep or remote rep.

And as for the counter being "bringing more friends"..................All hail the N+1 strategy and lets all welcome the future of EVE which is one giant megablob where everyone holds hands together.

Setting freighters aside for a secound i do see bumping in the list of harrassment and you should ask when does harassment start?

I can sit in and mine away then i get bumped, thats ok ill just head back, then they offer to duel over and over until i block it, then come the form fleet spams, when exactly is that line crossed?

When do we see it go from a gank (that never happens) to a pathetic outreach to achieve someones results by any illicit way possible? Sounds more like grief play.

Defend away, "this is EVE".

Using the same logic people should be banned from using guns in high sec because someone could follow you around and blow you up every time you undock. Also we need to ban the ability to loot so people cant follow you around and swipe your mission objectives. Oh and lets not forget about people mining out your rocks from under you everywhere you go.

Its exactly the same argument.


Nope, in order for the above to be classed as harassment the victim needs to be followed by the assailant everywhere he goes, the same rule applies to bumping.



Still not harassment. There are ways to get out of being bumped, you choosing to not use them does not mean CCP needs to step in to protect you.

I guess by "ways to get out of bumping" you mean, for example, bringing a friend to web you or having a webbing alt. And what should the pilot do when all of his friends/corpmates are offline (sleeping, at work etc....)? Are you seriously proposing that people should be forced to drop another 15 EUR on this game for second account just to get out of bumping?
If yes, then I have to question your judgement (no offense).

That doesnt work for all ships. Orca, for example will still have big align time. Even nano-fit deep space transport (which is ship purely intended for solohauling) has align of about 10 seconds, which is enough to initiate bumping.