EVE General Discussion

We've already established that you don't go to nulsec and don't know anything about it, so right from the start, the premise of your entire premise is dead. Please try again. Some citations would be nice but actual experience is preferred.

Review killboard.

Mostly as part of pitches battles. Not that many AFK ratting carriers. And those killed represent what percent of the total ratters?

It's like highsec mining - lots of kills...but a staggeringly small percentage of the total population...which makes it economically rational to mine AFK.

*Snip* Removed trolling part of the post. ISD Ezwal.

You cannot. You can only activate them on players you are in an active duel with, and on corpmates. If implemented, the proposed changes to intracorp aggression mechanics supported by the current CSM will remove the last one though soon so get used to using duels.

Webbers will save you from almost all bumping situations although if you fit your Orca with a MWD allowing you a 10 second warp, you are probably safe enough already.

Simple, if they are bumping you for more than 10 minutes, report them for "harassing without taking any hostile action", since 10 minutes is more than enough to form a basic gankalyst fleet and kill a freighter.

Also I really like how some people are defending bumping as a valid mechanic and fail to realize that this mechanic has no counter-mechanic.
And no, mechanic that can be utilized only when flying with an alt or a friend is not a counter. Counter has to be usable by both when flying solo and when flying in group. The only thing that should be affected by numbers is effectivness of that counter, i.e. more reps/shield booster/logi = more repping power (counter to DPS), more ECM jammers/Blackbirds = more EWAR power (counter to targetting) etc etc.

So, can anybody here show me a valid counter to bumping that a freighter pilot can execute solo, without alt and additional players? If not, bumping doesnt have a counter.

"Countermeasure" does not imply solo, although it just might be. And like you stated, any measure can be force multiplied (therefore more effective) in a group.

Lately I have seen fleets of freighters flying together. "Herding" serves animals quite well for survival, and is easily implemented with a little social interaction. Safety in numbers is a cheap safety measure anyone can perform, and doesn't require an alt either.

You can also spend some time researching your routes with the in-game map filters, external killboards etc. There are busy times and slow times too.

While I personally wouldn't pay it, you could also offer a tribute to that Machariel pilot, in exchange for safe passage. Piracy has a price.

Have you ever seen a bumping gatecamp in highsec with a disposable fast lock frigate handy?

I sure haven't, because that particular tactic is used to stop a logoffski, not consistently gatecamp. When done correctly, webbing your freighter gives it a warp time of a mere few seconds or even less. Notably, the way the server ticks means that this is likely not even enough time for most things to spot you on grid before you're gone.

The web trick is not flawless, but when done correctly it completely mitigates the vast, vast majority of any risk to your freighter. And all with just one alt and a couple of T2 webs.

When you are the prey animal, your best defense is not being in a bad situation, or barring that, getting out of it quickly. Do that right, and you will never need to play the "warp to" games.

Oh, and furthermore.

Why the actual **** do you think you should get a "perfect solution"? This is not "perfect safety online".

Personally, I think that there should be no one single action that is capable of getting a 1 billion isk capital ship through a competent gatecamp. If such a thing existed, it would warrant being savagely nerfed.

Using a disposable frigate to break "warp" brings concord onto the scene. This means you need to either drag concord to somewhere else in the system or you will need more gank. Even in burn jita quite a lot of freighters got away or it was a fail gank. Too much concord on the scene and the gankers get Condorked really fast, gate guns also make fast work of a cat. Good gankers know this and typically won't use this tactic unless they know they will execute another gank first at a different gate.

My freighter was getting bumped i got a webber and was more than able to warp off between bumps. Thing is the gankers just move to easier targets.

The simple rules work. Don't auto pilot. Don't have more than 1Bill in the hold unless you really know how to avoid ganks. Scout, this does not need to be with an alt. But just use the map/killboards and other websites that really have a lot of intel on them.

I do not want to avoid their attention. I want to be able to do something while being bumped rather than watching my freighter being totally helpless (to clarify: I do not haul or use freighter, nor do I live in highsec, however the way bumping is in the game now is incredibly dumb).

When you get tackled by several guys and are being shot at, you can activate repping modules in a hope that you can outtank their damage and get to station/gate/whatever or in a hope that they run out of ammo (unlikely I know, but still possible). Or you can start firing at them and actually try to take them out before they kill you. Even if you are going to die you can still do something to defend yourself and make it harder for them.

In a freighter? Nope. Getting bumped and corpmates are offline? Might as well just self-destruct the freighter to end the pain sooner. There is literaly nothing the freighter pilot can do when hes getting bumped.

And for the "this isnt a singleplayer game" argument, sorry but sometimes it happens that your friends/corpmates are offline and you simply cant get anyone to help you. And if a certain mechanic requires you to use alts, its flawed mechanic.

And please, dont go the "then find more people" way because then we can put ALL THE PLAYERS IN EVE in a single goddamn coalition blob and finally everyone has "more people" to help them.