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Steps to survive Freighter bumping from Mach

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Cybermage Ajion
AZOIK ACADEMY
#1 - 2014-12-02 09:20:51 UTC
Good day fellow Pilots.

Can someone give me a run down on how to survive this - BS?

Question: I am locked, and i can;t safely logout, i am forced to quit, what are the game mechanics that are happing?
Am i still in space attempting to warp into void or will just dissapear after some time?

I have survived today this death trap, other times i have failed to do so.

If you got some good resources to read, much appreciated.

All i found so far is that every bear thinks it is the lamest thing, and no real way of handling it.

I know, I can co-pilot my Freighter with other Macharial, but seriously, is that what comes down to?

I am not against, good piracy and unfair pvp, but this, this is just sad. It is like the police is watching a bank truck being hugged by men in ski masks and not doing anything cause they think, they all decided to take on the extreme sport of truck riding or are they about to rob a truck?

lol

Do help a fellow hauler.
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#2 - 2014-12-02 09:22:43 UTC
If you use a second ship to web your freighter into warp, incredibly bad luck is your biggest enemy.

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
Rockstede
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2014-12-02 09:30:25 UTC
Also if you have a second character then a counter bumper is also a good tactic.

Warp to the gate ahead of the freighter and begin pre-emptively bumping any machariels on the gate.

You will occasionally irritate the odd innocent mach but they'll get over it.
Cybermage Ajion
AZOIK ACADEMY
#4 - 2014-12-02 09:32:59 UTC
Rockstede wrote:
Also if you have a second character then a counter bumper is also a good tactic.

Warp to the gate ahead of the freighter and begin pre-emptively bumping any machariels on the gate.

You will occasionally irritate the odd innocent mach but they'll get over it.


ROFL, that must be fun of its own.

Thanks.

What about the game's mechanic about logout and stuff...
Rockstede
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2014-12-02 09:38:18 UTC
Actually that's been massively simplified.

Look at the top left hand corner, if you have something that says you can't logout then you can't log out it's that simple.

The safe logout requires several extra requirements be met.

Not in fleet.
Not cloaked.
Not targeting, targeted(needs checking) or in the process of targeting someone.
No modules active.
as above no logout timers.


Honestly the biggest boon to hauling and moving stuff through highsec is information. A scout is worth 20x any other fleet because a fleet can be defeated whereas a freighter that took another route because they saw the trouble ahead, was never in any danger to begin with.
Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#6 - 2014-12-02 09:39:55 UTC
When coming out of a station warp to a instant-undock bookmark that's several 100 km out you put there before hand.

Generally good idea to have one at every trade hub station.

The Drake is a Lie
Cybermage Ajion
AZOIK ACADEMY
#7 - 2014-12-02 09:47:03 UTC
Xercodo wrote:
When coming out of a station warp to a instant-undock bookmark that's several 100 km out you put there before hand.

Generally good idea to have one at every trade hub station.


I think most kills happen at the gate, but you are right.
Lister Dax
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2014-12-02 09:56:51 UTC
For reasons that are easy enough to deduce, i'd just like to say - 'watchlisted'

Pirate
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#9 - 2014-12-02 10:00:55 UTC
This is a flawed mechanic that needs to be addressed, because there's no counter to it that an individual player can apply. Everything (well, almost everything) in EVE has some form of counter to it (fit more tank to survive ganks, etc etc), but this doesn't. Once the bumping starts, there's absolutely nothing you can do, short of logging off and hoping that you don't get a timer. It's like tackling someone illegally, but not getting any sort of consequence. There were proposals in the past for various player-focused fixes, such as modules that significantly increased your ship's mass at the expense of other things, but nothing has come through.

PS: saying this as a pro-gank player.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Cybermage Ajion
AZOIK ACADEMY
#10 - 2014-12-02 10:36:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Cybermage Ajion
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
This is a flawed mechanic that needs to be addressed, because there's no counter to it that an individual player can apply. Everything (well, almost everything) in EVE has some form of counter to it (fit more tank to survive ganks, etc etc), but this doesn't. Once the bumping starts, there's absolutely nothing you can do, short of logging off and hoping that you don't get a timer. It's like tackling someone illegally, but not getting any sort of consequence. There were proposals in the past for various player-focused fixes, such as modules that significantly increased your ship's mass at the expense of other things, but nothing has come through.

PS: saying this as a pro-gank player.


Let's say I do log off asap when Macharial locks on me. What happens then? How long do i have before i disappear? Given that I am not pined to oblivion by some newbie ship that keeps my timer up.

I just want to find out what can I do short of screaming for help, have a buddy, have 2nd account.

If they want to exploit bumping, I want to know what exploits I got to use on them. IF anything goes, i want to be armed with everything i got on them. From war dec, swating, hiring hit men, you know, anything really, heh , as long as it is legit under the international law.

CCP should just add module like micro warp bubble. It prevents warp, and micro warp, can only be used by BS. However, you can do something about it to escape, but you got to be quick and online and not afk even if it is 1 min. For insntace, you got to use keyboard control to break free from it - manual control, that we are so fond of hearing in a lot of sci-if.

Cause lets get real, all of this hostile action is really about killing bots, not legit players - besides all the sadistic fun that these gankers get.

Come'on eve pilots give me something, anything! :)
afkalt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2014-12-02 10:46:03 UTC
Webs are your only practical defence.
Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
#12 - 2014-12-02 11:06:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Pak Narhoo
I sort off have my freighter collecting dust now. I know lame but not worth to get lost even now it gets ganked when it has no cargo.

So large stuff I let others haul - courier contract.
Medium stuff - tanked Orca (never afk).
Expensive stuff - cloaked blockade runner with every possible speed and agile mod, incl. implants I can cram into it/me.
Plex - just go to the station where I need them then and only then I redeem them.

I tried the web trick but I never got the hang of it.
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#13 - 2014-12-02 11:29:21 UTC
Cybermage Ajion wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
This is a flawed mechanic that needs to be addressed, because there's no counter to it that an individual player can apply. Everything (well, almost everything) in EVE has some form of counter to it (fit more tank to survive ganks, etc etc), but this doesn't. Once the bumping starts, there's absolutely nothing you can do, short of logging off and hoping that you don't get a timer. It's like tackling someone illegally, but not getting any sort of consequence. There were proposals in the past for various player-focused fixes, such as modules that significantly increased your ship's mass at the expense of other things, but nothing has come through.

PS: saying this as a pro-gank player.


Let's say I do log off asap when Macharial locks on me. What happens then? How long do i have before i disappear? Given that I am not pined to oblivion by some newbie ship that keeps my timer up.

I just want to find out what can I do short of screaming for help, have a buddy, have 2nd account.

If they want to exploit bumping, I want to know what exploits I got to use on them. IF anything goes, i want to be armed with everything i got on them. From war dec, swating, hiring hit men, you know, anything really, heh , as long as it is legit under the international law.

CCP should just add module like micro warp bubble. It prevents warp, and micro warp, can only be used by BS. However, you can do something about it to escape, but you got to be quick and online and not afk even if it is 1 min. For insntace, you got to use keyboard control to break free from it - manual control, that we are so fond of hearing in a lot of sci-if.

Cause lets get real, all of this hostile action is really about killing bots, not legit players - besides all the sadistic fun that these gankers get.

Come'on eve pilots give me something, anything! :)

If you don't safely log off or your ship doesn't disappear in time (60 seconds) when you log off normally, then you can be kept in space indefinitely, as long as someone shoots you every 15 minutes.

So let's say you spot a bumping Machariel at the entrance gate, and log out before you even drop your gate cloak. If they have a noob ship at the gate or something, they can give you a 15-minute timer once your emergency warp starts, and then all they have to do is refresh that timer with other noob ships before it expires, while waiting for the gank squad to show up.

This change was implemented to counter the issues of imbalanced safety with supercaps, but it extends to everyone else as well.

So really, if you go the logoffski route, there's nothing you can do except trying the safe log-off (impossible, if they keep you locked), or hoping that they don't have a disposable aggro alt on standby (they always do).

Hence why bumping is a mechanic that has no counter (regardless of the fact that logging off shouldn't be a counter to anything anyway).

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#14 - 2014-12-02 11:36:20 UTC
If they don't attempt to gank you withing a reasonable time (an hour maybe), then submit a ticket reporting them for harassment. As far as I remember, bumping for extended periods of time with no intent to take any other action beyond preventing someone from being able to play is considered harassment.

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Cybermage Ajion
AZOIK ACADEMY
#15 - 2014-12-02 11:43:46 UTC
Just to clarify.

I jumped a gate. i see a Macharial, and i know he is hostile. I safe logout while in clock. <<<
This moment right here, I am very interested in.

Are you saying that i am still doing an emergency warp to a random space and if Macharial gets a lock on me and bumps, while I am warping away. I am pretty much still stuck? And if i am not stuck, how long do i have before i disappear?

Or do they actually have to shoot me, to keep the timer in check.

Thank you.
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#16 - 2014-12-02 11:52:40 UTC
Cybermage Ajion wrote:
I jumped a gate. i see a Macharial, and i know he is hostile. I safe logout while in clock. <<<
This moment right here, I am very interested in.

Can't safe-log while cloaked.

Cybermage Ajion wrote:
Are you saying that i am still doing an emergency warp to a random space and if Macharial gets a lock on me and bumps, while I am warping away. I am pretty much still stuck? And if i am not stuck, how long do i have before i disappear?

You have the normal 60 seconds, then. If they shoot you during those 60 seconds, you get a full 15-minute pvp timer, that they can refresh.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Cybermage Ajion
AZOIK ACADEMY
#17 - 2014-12-02 12:37:29 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
If they don't attempt to gank you withing a reasonable time (an hour maybe), then submit a ticket reporting them for harassment. As far as I remember, bumping for extended periods of time with no intent to take any other action beyond preventing someone from being able to play is considered harassment.


Interesting, i will keep that in mind. Thank you.
McChicken Combo HalfMayo
The Happy Meal
#18 - 2014-12-02 12:41:26 UTC  |  Edited by: McChicken Combo HalfMayo
There is an interesting way to counter a bump once it happens.

An alt in a frigate a few hundred KM off grid. Manually adjust your frigate's position until your frigate is in line with the direction your freighter is being bumped. You should be able to warp to it.

There are all our dominion

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Cybermage Ajion
AZOIK ACADEMY
#19 - 2014-12-02 12:49:19 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Cybermage Ajion wrote:
I jumped a gate. i see a Macharial, and i know he is hostile. I safe logout while in clock. <<<
This moment right here, I am very interested in.

Can't safe-log while cloaked.

Cybermage Ajion wrote:
Are you saying that i am still doing an emergency warp to a random space and if Macharial gets a lock on me and bumps, while I am warping away. I am pretty much still stuck? And if i am not stuck, how long do i have before i disappear?

You have the normal 60 seconds, then. If they shoot you during those 60 seconds, you get a full 15-minute pvp timer, that they can refresh.


So uncloak, safe logout = 30 seconds. While in safe logout, he locks me. Is safe logout canceled? And if they shoot safe logout canceled?

My assumption: yes, yes

Otherwise, force logout = 60 seconds to disappear. What you stated above, so screwed beyond believe.

thanks, i am grasping the problem better now.
Cybermage Ajion
AZOIK ACADEMY
#20 - 2014-12-02 12:55:59 UTC
McChicken Combo HalfMayo wrote:
There is an interesting way to counter a bump once it happens.

An alt in a frigate a few hundred KM off grid. Manually adjust your frigate's position until your frigate is in line with the direction your freighter is being bumped. You should be able to warp to it.


huh, so are you saying, this somehow will help Freighter align and warp faster?
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