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Daniel Jackson
Universal Exos
#221 - 2014-12-31 07:35:30 UTC
the lsat few frames if you look at them like the last 2 or 3 of them are they changing any? or has the nebula stoped growing?

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Sol Project
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#222 - 2014-12-31 07:44:06 UTC
Daniel Jackson wrote:
the lsat few frames if you look at them like the last 2 or 3 of them are they changing any? or has the nebula stoped growing?

Can't tell if it's still growing or halted already,
but the end is definitely near.

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Ferni Ka'Nviiou
Doomheim
#223 - 2014-12-31 09:43:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Ferni Ka'Nviiou
http://i.imgur.com/waaD1M5.gif
And thus we see the end of its expanse.

But I thought of something while (rather lazily) stabilising this GIF.

It's quite an idea, but here goes anyway:

_____________________________________________________________


Due to its close proximity to the rest of the stars in the New Eden cluster, we know that Caroline's Star is not very big.
Expanses of gaseous elements would usually have to be quite condensed, and many light-years in diameter, to reflect visual light like we see with the average nebula.

It seems to be very optically dense, the material that is expanding here.

The size of the expanse (as referenced by other angles) does not correspond with the display of light that we see here.
Here is a multi-wavelength capture of the Crab Nebula. It is about ~13ly across, or 822,000 AU.

I just do not believe that this is purely a cloud of normal elemental proportions alike other nebulae. I believe the cloud is dominantly comprised of solid particles.
Generally with star explosions, you'll see the majority state of matter being gas and light elements (because that's what the majority of matter in a star IS). I know it has been said before, but I'll say it again regardless: this does not look to me at all like a supernova.

Now (this is off-point), see how the [energy waves] dissipate so quickly?

One

Two

Three

It's out of place, and doesn't fit with the general expanse. I'd like to think of it as being a different state of matter.
For now, I'll leave that, because I don't currently know how to explain the... Eccentric behaviour of the energy wave's origin and its vector.

So back on point, I actually believe we're looking predominately at a cloud of dust, probably about 25,000 AU in size.

Now we're at this point in the expanse, we can better formulate an idea of what's going on.
Here's my take on it:

Due to the way the 'star' pulsates, collapses, and subsequently emits a cloud of dust, I'd say we're almost definitely looking at a space-time-warp collapse.
Notice how the cloud is devoid of a central portion of mass? The initial velocity has carried ALL of the visible particles from the central point.

TL;DR:
The remnants of Caroline's Star are a massive dustball, which have been thrown out into an area seemingly too small for visual light to reflect the way it does.
Also, space-time warps, like we had thought already.
Solecist Project
#224 - 2014-12-31 10:42:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Solecist Project
Proteus is coming ... it makes sense that it slows down or stops.

Climax will be achieved soon.

Okay well actually it should go faster but let's not go there..... ;)

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Nami Kumamato
Perkone
Caldari State
#225 - 2014-12-31 10:44:20 UTC
Ferni Ka'Nviiou wrote:
http://i.imgur.com/waaD1M5.gif
And thus we see the end of its expanse.

But I thought of something while (rather lazily) stabilising this GIF.

It's quite an idea, but here goes anyway:

_____________________________________________________________


Due to its close proximity to the rest of the stars in the New Eden cluster, we know that Caroline's Star is not very big.
Expanses of gaseous elements would usually have to be quite condensed, and many light-years in diameter, to reflect visual light like we see with the average nebula.

It seems to be very optically dense, the material that is expanding here.

The size of the expanse (as referenced by other angles) does not correspond with the display of light that we see here.
Here is a multi-wavelength capture of the Crab Nebula. It is about ~13ly across, or 822,000 AU.

I just do not believe that this is purely a cloud of normal elemental proportions alike other nebulae. I believe the cloud is dominantly comprised of solid particles.
Generally with star explosions, you'll see the majority state of matter being gas and light elements (because that's what the majority of matter in a star IS). I know it has been said before, but I'll say it again regardless: this does not look to me at all like a supernova.

Now (this is off-point), see how the [energy waves] dissipate so quickly?

One

Two

Three

It's out of place, and doesn't fit with the general expanse. I'd like to think of it as being a different state of matter.
For now, I'll leave that, because I don't currently know how to explain the... Eccentric behaviour of the energy wave's origin and its vector.

So back on point, I actually believe we're looking predominately at a cloud of dust, probably about 25,000 AU in size.

Now we're at this point in the expanse, we can better formulate an idea of what's going on.
Here's my take on it:

Due to the way the 'star' pulsates, collapses, and subsequently emits a cloud of dust, I'd say we're almost definitely looking at a space-time-warp collapse.
Notice how the cloud is devoid of a central portion of mass? The initial velocity has carried ALL of the visible particles from the central point.

TL;DR:
The remnants of Caroline's Star are a massive dustball, which have been thrown out into an area seemingly too small for visual light to reflect the way it does.
Also, space-time warps, like we had thought already.


Meet the Jove "racial" nebula (much like every race has one). It's even in their colors ;)
Also it looks somewhat like a small scale chain reaction took palce there.
Bye-bye Jovians :(

Fornicate The Constabulary !
Solecist Project
#226 - 2014-12-31 10:47:26 UTC
Chain reaction ....Cool

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Nami Kumamato
Perkone
Caldari State
#227 - 2014-12-31 10:50:14 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
Proteus is coming ... it makes sense that it slows down or stops.

Climax will be achieved soon.

Okay well actually it should go faster but let's not go there..... ;)


Proteus is sinonymous with change.
"Protean" means exactly that - mutable, that can change it's shape or form, that brings change. Or it means you can grow claws and turn into a wolf - to rub some salt on CCP's last aquired wound :D (we'll never forget , CCP *hises* ).

So whatever happends - some big changes are coming.

Fornicate The Constabulary !
Nami Kumamato
Perkone
Caldari State
#228 - 2014-12-31 10:51:33 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
Chain reaction ....Cool


Ok, let's not derail this one too...

Fornicate The Constabulary !
Solecist Project
#229 - 2014-12-31 10:54:06 UTC
Yeah I sensed change coming.
It's the proper time for it, too.
Not that it wasn't obvious anyway.


Rhea... enter the mew age.





That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Nami Kumamato
Perkone
Caldari State
#230 - 2014-12-31 10:57:24 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
Yeah I sensed change coming.
It's the proper time for it, too.
Not that it wasn't obvious anyway.


Rhea... enter the mew age.



Stop it, right meow!

Fornicate The Constabulary !
Ferni Ka'Nviiou
Doomheim
#231 - 2014-12-31 11:15:39 UTC
Nami Kumamato wrote:
Meet the Jove "racial" nebula (much like every race has one). It's even in their colors ;)
Also it looks somewhat like a small scale chain reaction took palce there.
Bye-bye Jovians :(

Have you never traveled? It's a shame, that.
Also, I just finished explaining why it wasn't a nebula Smile
Solecist Project
#232 - 2014-12-31 11:19:39 UTC
Nami Kumamato wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
Yeah I sensed change coming.
It's the proper time for it, too.
Not that it wasn't obvious anyway.


Rhea... enter the mew age.



Stop it, right meow!

*lays down on your lap and purrs*

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Nami Kumamato
Perkone
Caldari State
#233 - 2014-12-31 12:27:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Nami Kumamato
Ferni Ka'Nviiou wrote:
Nami Kumamato wrote:
Meet the Jove "racial" nebula (much like every race has one). It's even in their colors ;)
Also it looks somewhat like a small scale chain reaction took palce there.
Bye-bye Jovians :(

Have you never traveled? It's a shame, that.
Also, I just finished explaining why it wasn't a nebula Smile


After a star explodes the remnants of it's ejecta is a nebula wheter you like it or not.
It can't explode into a "dustball".

The only way I can imagine a star turning into a "dustball" is if it it's super-hot mantle is cooled or extinguished (if the star is somehow "drained"), so it doesn't have the necessary force to eject it's mantle over vast distances.
The Sleepers have been recently revealed to somehow "harvest" stars, so I can see where you're going with this....

So the Sleepers could have a hand in this and maybe that's why the Jove have turned off their Stargates - in an effort to stop or slow their advance?

Ahhh, theorycrafting...

Fornicate The Constabulary !
Ferni Ka'Nviiou
Doomheim
#234 - 2014-12-31 13:03:23 UTC
Nami Kumamato wrote:
Ferni Ka'Nviiou wrote:
Nami Kumamato wrote:
Meet the Jove "racial" nebula (much like every race has one). It's even in their colors ;)
Also it looks somewhat like a small scale chain reaction took palce there.
Bye-bye Jovians :(

Have you never traveled? It's a shame, that.
Also, I just finished explaining why it wasn't a nebula Smile


After a star explodes the remnants of a it's ejecta is a nebula wheter you like it or not.
It can't explode into a "dustball".

Actually, I was referring to events like the EVE gate collapse, and the event that destroyed a star system (can't remember the name... s-something?)
I was saying it came from a space-time-warp, and not a dead star. If that is true, then it is not really a nebula, in the sense that its composition doesn't appear to be that of what we would normally define as a nebula.

So I'll revoke any previous statements and say that
Quote:
Caroline's Star doesn't appear to have the composition, nor the size of any recorded nebula. Dust and small amounts of gaseous material have seemed to gather in a concentrated, but comparatively minuscule amount within the bounds of the W477-P system. This has caused confusion as to the source of the material.
Nami Kumamato
Perkone
Caldari State
#235 - 2014-12-31 14:06:25 UTC
Ferni Ka'Nviiou wrote:
Nami Kumamato wrote:
Ferni Ka'Nviiou wrote:
Nami Kumamato wrote:
Meet the Jove "racial" nebula (much like every race has one). It's even in their colors ;)
Also it looks somewhat like a small scale chain reaction took palce there.
Bye-bye Jovians :(

Have you never traveled? It's a shame, that.
Also, I just finished explaining why it wasn't a nebula Smile


After a star explodes the remnants of a it's ejecta is a nebula wheter you like it or not.
It can't explode into a "dustball".

Actually, I was referring to events like the EVE gate collapse, and the event that destroyed a star system (can't remember the name... s-something?)
I was saying it came from a space-time-warp, and not a dead star. If that is true, then it is not really a nebula, in the sense that its composition doesn't appear to be that of what we would normally define as a nebula.

So I'll revoke any previous statements and say that
Quote:
Caroline's Star doesn't appear to have the composition, nor the size of any recorded nebula. Dust and small amounts of gaseous material have seemed to gather in a concentrated, but comparatively minuscule amount within the bounds of the W477-P system. This has caused confusion as to the source of the material.


I see.
The EVE Gate similarity should fall right off the board - natural collapsing wormholes do not explode (no matter what CCP's cinemtics team wants you to believe). They simply go "poof" as the strenght of either of the gravity wells keeping them traversable starts to dwindle, thus the theoretical depth of the gravitational tendril starts reducing itself until normalization.
A wormhole could develop a temper only if it's tampered with - kept stable through injection of matter with negative energy density. That way it could get the "fuel" it needs to put on a "lightshow", as the negative energy density matter starts getting freaky with the normal or positive density matter, but even that is stretching it to say the least.
So if it's a wormhole gone bad, it's a hand made one and it's gone terribly bad.


Fornicate The Constabulary !
Ferni Ka'Nviiou
Doomheim
#236 - 2014-12-31 14:38:41 UTC
Nami Kumamato wrote:
Ferni Ka'Nviiou wrote:
Nami Kumamato wrote:
Ferni Ka'Nviiou wrote:

Have you never traveled? It's a shame, that.
Also, I just finished explaining why it wasn't a nebula Smile


After a star explodes the remnants of a it's ejecta is a nebula wheter you like it or not.
It can't explode into a "dustball".

Actually, I was referring to events like the EVE gate collapse, and the event that destroyed a star system (can't remember the name... s-something?)
I was saying it came from a space-time-warp, and not a dead star. If that is true, then it is not really a nebula, in the sense that its composition doesn't appear to be that of what we would normally define as a nebula.

So I'll revoke any previous statements and say that
Quote:
Caroline's Star doesn't appear to have the composition, nor the size of any recorded nebula. Dust and small amounts of gaseous material have seemed to gather in a concentrated, but comparatively minuscule amount within the bounds of the W477-P system. This has caused confusion as to the source of the material.


I see.
The EVE Gate similarity should fall right off the board - natural collapsing wormholes do not explode (no matter what CCP's cinemtics team wants you to believe). They simply go "poof" as the strenght of either of the gravity wells keeping them traversable starts to dwindle, thus the theoretical depth of the gravitational tendril starts reducing itself until normalization.
A wormhole could develop a temper only if it's tampered with - kept stable through injection of matter with negative energy density. That way it could get the "fuel" it needs to put on a "lightshow", as the negative energy density matter starts getting freaky with the normal or positive density matter, but even that is stretching it to say the least.
So if it's a wormhole gone bad, it's a hand made one and it's gone terribly bad.

And thus we are reminded once again that the EVE universe was created by brilliant artists, but whom don't have a good understanding of what they're making. Which is fine, because you get to be creative.
That's 'theory-crafting' for you.

I never had the idea that wormholes exploding.
I had always assumed that the explosions in the trailers and lore were from other sources which happened to occur next to the wormhole, or was as a result of failure in some other mechanism that assisted in the stable traversing of space-time warps.

Needless to say, we know that CCP likes exploding warps, and we know that wormhole generators are a thing, so all's well for explody things in New Eden.
Solecist Project
#237 - 2015-01-01 23:30:28 UTC
We had so much traffic on the front page,
this gem got pushed beyond it. :p

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Ferni Ka'Nviiou
Doomheim
#238 - 2015-01-02 09:52:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Ferni Ka'Nviiou
Hello, all those thread-followers still here,

I finally got around to travelling out to JZV-F4 (the closest Empire-linked system to W477-P) and photographing this giant, ugly Dustball from as close as is possible for a non-Dev/Jovian Capsuleer.

From a fully 'zoomed out' view:
http://i.imgur.com/0BEv58y.png

And a manual zoom in on the nebula:
http://i.imgur.com/xIZPXmU.png

Enjoy the view. Which, ironically looks no more in quality than Daniel's.
Sol Project
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
#239 - 2015-01-02 11:38:13 UTC
You beat Solecist to it. She wanted to move as close as doable to it.

Why w477? How do you determine that's the closest?

Don't want to derail this (weird, hu?) but just wanna know.

If everything can be found in this or the other thread,
just tell and I will seek it out myself. :)

Ladies of New Eden YC 117 by Indahmawar Fazmarai

Warning: NSFW! Barely legal girls in underwear!

Diana Kim > AND THIS IS WHY THE FEDERATION MUST BE DESTROYED!!
Ferni Ka'Nviiou
Doomheim
#240 - 2015-01-02 11:50:09 UTC
Sol Project wrote:
You beat Solecist to it. She wanted to move as close as doable to it.

Why w477? How do you determine that's the closest?

Don't want to derail this (weird, hu?) but just wanna know.

If everything can be found in this or the other thread,
just tell and I will seek it out myself. :)

Sure.

The game-lore post (from CONCORD) revealed that W477-P was the system in which Caroline's Star laid within.
CONCORD statement about Star and Thera

I found the closest Empire system to W477-P by simply looking at the three closest systems to the star outside of UUA-F4 and Jove, and picking the shortest (invisible line) distance to it.

Then [with the system I had picked on the flat map] I cross-referenced it with the un-flattened map to find the closest star in 3D space, which turned out to be JZV-F4.
When I saw that system name, I remembered that there was a post about someone going there to see it up close, so it matched up well.