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so walking on stations - what next? and when?
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non judgement
Without Fear
Flying Burning Ships Alliance
#41 - 2011-11-29 01:39:38 UTC  |  Edited by: non judgement
They are still working on WoD but with a lot less people, iirc. If I'm not mistaken WoD uses the same stuff to do their avatars. Either way it is being worked on in some way.

Also, I thought that this avatar technology would be able to handle lots of avatars walking arond with little effort (that it'd be the same whether its one or many). Anyone who says that the avatar engine can't handle a mulitple avatars walking around, without stressing the hardware, can I see a link to something that shows an offical answer to this statement?
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#42 - 2011-11-29 01:41:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Nova Fox
Issler Dainze wrote:
Nova Fox wrote:
I didnt see any cancelled or removed. All I saw was 'we're putting it on the back burner to stew for a bit maybe somone will come up with an awsome idea while we do space stuff for now.'

In other words you just shot yourself in the foot agian.

Link or STFU.


What does "on ice" mean.

On Ice

From the link

• dead.

On Ice

From that link

"If plans are put on ice, they are delayed and no action will be taken for the foreseeable future."

Sorry you are unfamiliar with common english phrases.

Please cite examples of CCP ever getting back to anything they have abandoned.

Issler



Oh it aint dead yet, learn what 'back burner' means.

Back Burner

How many toes you got left? 7 now was it? Keep shooting.
Link the phrase from a dev or the ceo hellmar saying 'We're canceling Incarana' or STFU all you are doing is feeding the piranha with your stubby foot atm.

If it was dead why didnt they fire thier clothing artist or thier interiors designers and that entire team? All they did was move all the core development teams back into space and trimmed into WOD and reshuffeled thier community and public relations into Dust 514 and WOD as well. WOD aint dead either.

BTW you need to train "Reading Every Line to I" because you're somehow imaginging to your blood colored glasses they completely are going to delete incarna somewhere.

At least mine are blue tinted thank you.

This fox has rabies and I rarely bite, this may be the first time I get to do such in a long while and it wont be pretty.

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Cozmik R5
Chez Stan
#43 - 2011-11-29 01:51:14 UTC
How long until people start asking about "walking in space" ? Big smile

Try not. Do. Or do not. There is no try.
Krios Ahzek
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#44 - 2011-11-29 01:53:26 UTC
Walking on stations: A Capsuleer game where the pilot manually exits his pod and tries to walk on the outside of a space station for the longest time possible while holding his breath. It is a very dangerous game as the chances of accidentally walking out of neural scanner range at the time of death are extremely high.

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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#45 - 2011-11-29 01:55:29 UTC
And I really dont care if you dont like WiS what I do care is your mis information.

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Large Collidable Object
morons.
#46 - 2011-11-29 02:08:13 UTC
Adamonus wrote:
...awesome feature...


You're bad at trolling and an Idiot.

Quote:

.....but if I finally buy some avatar-clothes for AUR, that is nearly as expensive as somones rl clothes...


... then you're an Idiot.

Quote:

- will there be emotes? And noises?

cindly asking for some cookies



Here's a Cookie: Fck off and play Second Life.
You know... [morons.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gjOx65yD5A)
Lili Lu
#47 - 2011-11-29 02:29:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Lili Lu
sorry haven't read the thread and someone already may have said this but:


windows?

edit - removed the capital W due to the wise guy below Lol ( in best Bogart or Edward G. Robinson voice).
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#48 - 2011-11-29 02:32:09 UTC
Linux or Windex?

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Maximillian Bonaparte
Interstellar Booty Hunters
Abyssal Booty Hunters
#49 - 2011-11-29 02:40:07 UTC
Embrace My Hate wrote:
I feel like I'm beating a dead horse but here goes nothing.

Remember the performance issues people were complaining about in just CQ? Multiply that for every avatar in station! Walking around with other people would be a meltdown waiting to happen.

Until they either get a new engine or work miracles with the current one I do not see WIS coming any time soon.



Nah...its a completely seperate engine at work besides....
Anyone who has played STO can see how walking in stations can be done.

But the EVE universe is much bigger than sto's.

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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#50 - 2011-11-29 02:45:08 UTC
Engines are similar lighting for example will be shared. Though I doubt the hair and clothes engine is implimented yet from WOD to eve. that would be amazing as my idel antimation woudl actually fritt out the hair instead of clipping entirely though without the hair moving.

Dust 514's CPM 1 Iron Wolf Saber Eve mail me about Dust 514 issues.
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#51 - 2011-11-29 04:39:28 UTC
non judgement wrote:
They are still working on WoD but with a lot less people, iirc. If I'm not mistaken WoD uses the same stuff to do their avatars. Either way it is being worked on in some way.

Also, I thought that this avatar technology would be able to handle lots of avatars walking arond with little effort (that it'd be the same whether its one or many). Anyone who says that the avatar engine can't handle a mulitple avatars walking around, without stressing the hardware, can I see a link to something that shows an offical answer to this statement?


I asked for any example of the engine demo-ing more that one avatar or even something like a WoD alpha, tech demo but no one responded with an example.

I don't think their engine worked as expected.

Issler
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#52 - 2011-11-29 05:14:36 UTC
Nova Fox wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:
Nova Fox wrote:
I didnt see any cancelled or removed. All I saw was 'we're putting it on the back burner to stew for a bit maybe somone will come up with an awsome idea while we do space stuff for now.'

In other words you just shot yourself in the foot agian.

Link or STFU.


What does "on ice" mean.

On Ice

From the link

• dead.

On Ice

From that link

"If plans are put on ice, they are delayed and no action will be taken for the foreseeable future."

Sorry you are unfamiliar with common english phrases.

Please cite examples of CCP ever getting back to anything they have abandoned.

Issler



Oh it aint dead yet, learn what 'back burner' means.

Back Burner

How many toes you got left? 7 now was it? Keep shooting.
Link the phrase from a dev or the ceo hellmar saying 'We're canceling Incarana' or STFU all you are doing is feeding the piranha with your stubby foot atm.

If it was dead why didnt they fire thier clothing artist or thier interiors designers and that entire team? All they did was move all the core development teams back into space and trimmed into WOD and reshuffeled thier community and public relations into Dust 514 and WOD as well. WOD aint dead either.

BTW you need to train "Reading Every Line to I" because you're somehow imaginging to your blood colored glasses they completely are going to delete incarna somewhere.

At least mine are blue tinted thank you.

This fox has rabies and I rarely bite, this may be the first time I get to do such in a long while and it wont be pretty.


The rabies explains it all, dementia is a common side effect from the disease. Are you spending a lot of time chewing off your own tail?

Google says

Back Burner

Noun:
A state of inaction or suspension; a position of relatively little importance.

or

from the Meriam-Webster online dictionay-

" the condition of being out of active consideration or development —usually used in the phrase on the back burner"

The artists that are still around are there because CCP still wants to flog MT and the NeX store, They didn't reshuffle the community folks, the layed them off (research more about who was fired before you make false claims) and WoD is dead until they have an engine that can support more than one avatar at a time.

I have never stated Dust is dead, in fact I think CCP has increased its focus to get it out the door, they need it to succeed of there is any hope for CCP to survive.

I don't think CCP would delete CQs but I think it is very possible unless we voice our displeasure it may be all we ever see of WiS.

My toes are fine, your research, reading skills and knowledge of CCP's history of delivering unfinished content are in a terrible state.

The fox is not a very smart fox, you have now failed three times to provide an example of something coming back after being abandoned in Eve.

Until you can provide any counter to my proof that CCP has put a stop work on WiS and cite an example of an incomplete feature being completed again after it was abandoned you have lost this debate. For example, where are the other sleepers? Other ranks of T3 ships? What happened to the POSs revamp? The Black Ops revamp? The low sec revamp? Smuggling? Real changes to low sec sov mechanisms? The change from static ore spawns to dynamic ones? (that is over 2 years since it was promised), improvements in mining? (same for the last 5 years)

So until you provide any proof for your position go back to hiding from hunters.

Issler
Taiwanistan
#53 - 2011-11-29 05:14:41 UTC
come on work something out with DICE EA appeal to them as fellow Nordes Jarl to Jarl
Frostbite 2 is the future
Frostibe 2 for Dust Frostbite 2 for WOD

TA on wis: "when we have a feature that is its own functional ecosystem of gameplay then hooks into the greater ecosystem of EVE as a whole, and it provides good replayability."
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#54 - 2011-11-29 05:20:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Issler Dainze
Maximillian Bonaparte wrote:
Embrace My Hate wrote:
I feel like I'm beating a dead horse but here goes nothing.

Remember the performance issues people were complaining about in just CQ? Multiply that for every avatar in station! Walking around with other people would be a meltdown waiting to happen.

Until they either get a new engine or work miracles with the current one I do not see WIS coming any time soon.



Nah...its a completely seperate engine at work besides....
Anyone who has played STO can see how walking in stations can be done.

But the EVE universe is much bigger than sto's.


WoD and Eve share the avatar engine. I think you should be able to do some research and you can find it in CCP's announcements. Sadly CCP took a multi-year reset to move to that engine. :-( I think Embrace My Hate is correct. I think CCP found the WoD/WiS engine can't scale with the current state of PC hardware.

Issler
Astrid Stjerna
Sebiestor Tribe
#55 - 2011-11-29 06:05:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Astrid Stjerna
Issler Dainze wrote:


The rabies explains it all, dementia is a common side effect from the disease. Are you spending a lot of time chewing off your own tail?


your research, reading skills and knowledge of CCP's history of delivering unfinished content are in a terrible state.

The fox is not a very smart fox

you have lost this debate

go back to hiding from hunters.



Can you make one single post without engaging in pointless personal attacks and petty sniping?

Until CCP issues a direct 'Walking in Stations is dead' post, all we've got is half the story. For my part, I don't believe CCP would be so foolish as to abandon something with such potential, especially not after all of the concept art, modelling and design tests that go into such a major task.

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Mirima Thurander
#56 - 2011-11-29 06:20:57 UTC
i think CCP has gone about building WiS the wrong way.

The way CCP has done WiS is like if blizzard released a T20 raid with no T15- T19, its use less with out any way to use it just like the CQ is now.

Now if these had added in games to play in station ( poker chess other games ) or minor boot giving items that can only be used in station ( boosters, Quafe ).

THEN added in WiS and made these items that people have grown to love only usable in WIS i think it would have gone over better.

like getting smuggling added in, THEN making booster none traded on the market only face to face booster trades, usable cans of quafe only available by going to a in station bar and buying them.


they could of done WIS in such a better way


All automated intel should be removed from the game including Instant local/jumps/kills/cynos for all systems/regions.Eve should report nothing like this to the client/3rd party software.Intel should not be force fed to players. Player skill and iniative should be the sources of intel.
Shalia Ripper
#57 - 2011-11-29 06:55:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Shalia Ripper
I like walking on sunshine or walking on the moon, but I will accept walking in stations when it feels less masturbatory.

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Amro One
One.
#58 - 2011-11-29 06:59:49 UTC
Can I have your stuff?
Geddings
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#59 - 2011-11-29 07:25:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Geddings
I do HOPE that walking in stations is NOT scrapped. I mean the WHOLE point of the 3d avatars, the captions quarters and all of that WAS to make way for walking in stations, otherwise they might as well just pull the plug on the whole captains quarters crap. Which honestly i think if WIS is NOT going to happen then captions quarters is a utterly useless feature in my opinon, i mean you cant even invite people to visit your place! whats the point?

I think maybe it just is on hold for a little while so that they can work out the features better i would hope... because otherwise they went through a lot of stuff just for nothing.

because having 3d avatars and a small 3d space to run around in and NO Walking in stations just to me would seem like a HUGE wasted useless feature. So i honestly think they NEED to do walking in stations soon and i think honestly they should focus on that for the next expansion or soon after.......but they like to take their time i guess. but I think they should make offical statements on this soon to let players know where they stand because having 3d avatars and a small 3d space to walk around with just feels....... tacted on unless WIS is going to happen.

personally im a bit frustrated at the extreamly SLOW progress they are going on it. I mean its been years and years since they talked about it and all honestly think it would have been better if they had just NOT done Dust 514 which sounds cool but come on there are already enough shooters out there as it is......... and just used that effort to focus on Eve Online.........

I want walking in stations and i think others do too otherwise everything with our avatars and CQ will have been a complete waste.

:-(

update:

I dont see where people are saying the CEO has Walking in stations canned. if anything he makes refrence that he feels that having an actual avatar and social interaction is something they should have got on the bandwagon a while back....... so it seems to me that walking in stations is still going to happen it just may be they are going to make sure they get it right. I doubt it will be abandoned. The negitive feedback from incarna is mostly i think from the LACK of things to do with the CQ that it felt less like a real feature so. hopefully they will work on WIS more so that that effort will not be in vein.

we will see. hopefully more news will come after the current expansion is released. the fact they want to make a 3d avatar viewer on people seems to me to show that they ARE planning to do something with it. why would they add more CQ sets and that if they arnt? be patient.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#60 - 2011-11-29 08:12:07 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:
Nova Fox wrote:
I didnt see any cancelled or removed. All I saw was 'we're putting it on the back burner to stew for a bit maybe somone will come up with an awsome idea while we do space stuff for now.'

In other words you just shot yourself in the foot agian.

Link or STFU.


What does "on ice" mean.

On Ice

From the link

• dead.

On Ice

From that link

"If plans are put on ice, they are delayed and no action will be taken for the foreseeable future."

Sorry you are unfamiliar with common english phrases.

Please cite examples of CCP ever getting back to anything they have abandoned.

Issler






You guys are really just stating different parts of the same thought.

When you say "on ice" most people take that as nothing is being done with the concept period. But the rest of his post would seem to indicate otherwise. It would appear that they are trying to (much later than they should have) figure out what to do with it.

Planning is work, every bit as important and time consuming (sometimes more so) than actual coding.

So yeah, they don't have teams devoted to it at the moment... so in that sense it is "on ice". But if planning is continuing, especially with a lot of community feed back, that is a very good sign.

In this sense I don't mind it being on ice, as long as the chef is still planning the next meal.

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