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The case against Thera

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Liafcipe9000
Critically Preposterous
#81 - 2014-12-02 14:40:18 UTC
something something world of warcraft, something something page snipe.
Syn Shi
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#82 - 2014-12-02 16:34:35 UTC
Hi sec players wont be going to Thera.

And since most of the pvp is centered around beating up of high sec players.

You get the picture.
Aladar Dangerface
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#83 - 2014-12-02 16:42:08 UTC
Syn Shi wrote:
Hi sec players wont be going to Thera.

And since most of the pvp is centered around beating up of high sec players.

You get the picture.


Centred around high sec? Really? i mean really????

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Rayo Atra
Guardians of the Volatile Wine
#84 - 2014-12-02 17:18:53 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
Ned Thomas wrote:
People who live in Thera should be known as "Therapists".


Grab a Kazoo, let's have a duel.


Now when i count 3!

Tell you what I do like though: A killer. A dyed-in-the-wool killer. Cold-blooded, clean, methodical and thorough.

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Taegessia
Doomheim
#85 - 2014-12-03 03:44:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Taegessia
As a dedicated WH explorer I am quite exited about the new WH systems added and most of all Thera. I don't see though how this is going to work since this will follow 0.0 space combat rules & every time we undock will be potential targets, at least not without somekind of limited safe zone around the npc stations (I hardly doubt this is the case). Seems like the worst place for the casual or dedicated explorer\pver & a very good place for the dedicated ganker\pvper. I hope I wil be wrong & Thera proves to be just a good place for everyone.

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Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#86 - 2014-12-03 03:52:12 UTC
Rayo Atra wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
Ned Thomas wrote:
People who live in Thera should be known as "Therapists".


Grab a Kazoo, let's have a duel.


Now when i count 3!

That that tha-that that tha-that that tha-that that that boy needs THERApy

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Tear Jar
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#87 - 2014-12-03 04:01:00 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Vol Arm'OOO wrote:
After all, why should some player spend hours roaming through lowsec looking for fights when they can just log into Thera?

The people who are out for non-consensual pvp (such as high-sec warriors) aren't going to leave for Thera, because any potential targets found within won't fit the psychological profiles (stupid, arrogant, offensive, bad with money, etc) of the targets they seek. Null dwellers won't leave for Thera because it can neither support any sort of prolonged stay financially, not is it capable of being subjected to force projection. Low-sec pirates aren't going to leave for Thera because any people found inside aren't good piracy targets, since anyone going there is most likely going to assume the worst. And finally, carebears aren't going to leave for Thera because sociopaths, CCP needs to remove pvp from EVE, Thera needs to be safe, etc etc.

And that is why this project will fail in its intended goal of being some kind of lawless hub. At best, it will be a place where some people go to feel cool for a while, or maybe we'll get lucky, and it will be really convenient for travel. But I don't foresee it being any more popular than your average NPC 0.0 system, or Amamake. Of course there will be lots of pvp inside, but it won't be replacing anything.

If anyone tries to hold this system in an organized manner, it will end up being something like Providence. That is to say, lol.


Thera looks like a great place to buy small goods. T3s and interceptors can reasonably warp in and out to buy/supply the place.
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#88 - 2014-12-03 04:03:52 UTC
Tear Jar wrote:
Thera looks like a great place to buy small goods. T3s and interceptors can reasonably warp in and out to buy/supply the place.

Why would you go to Thera when you can go to Jita?

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https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Tear Jar
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#89 - 2014-12-03 04:04:50 UTC
Gogela wrote:
With regards to the draw for players going to Thera I haven't heard anything convincing from anyone which would dissuade players from going based on what the system represents and the opportunities it affords those bold enough to go. There are plenty of reasons to go to Thera. My only concern about this system since we got more details is that there are only 4 stations and I think they may be perma camped. If that ends up being the case, the foundational reasons for going to Thera will crumble. If you can't access the station, it'll be like there are no stations. ...so what's the point, than?

Fortunately I think the fix is relatively simple. They'll need to post some over-sized station guns on the stations, giving most players at least a chance of getting out of the undock area. I don't think anything needs to be said to CCP about this, though. We can just kick back and wait to see what happens. If I'm right than the problems with Thera will become apparent on their own. With CCPs rapid deployment of patches these days, they could fix it in a down time. If Thera doesn't deliver or isn't used, I'm sure CCP will simply make the changes required to get it where it needs to be.

Thera will take care of itself. It'll be molded into something useful, albeit in time. Just my 2 isk...

Ned Thomas wrote:
People who live in Thera should be known as "Therapists".

That is all.

Also: This ^ is the funniest thing ever on the internet. +1


Even if it is permacamped, nullfied Cov ops T3s and Interceptors will be able to get in and out with proper bookmarks.

Its a great market to sell and buy small cargo.
Badden Powell
No Chit
#90 - 2014-12-03 04:08:45 UTC
Ned Thomas wrote:
People who live in Thera should be known as "Therapists".



^ I put this right up there with "Dude, your chin!"
Tear Jar
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#91 - 2014-12-03 04:12:56 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Tear Jar wrote:
Thera looks like a great place to buy small goods. T3s and interceptors can reasonably warp in and out to buy/supply the place.

Why would you go to Thera when you can go to Jita?


Maybe you live in the middle of nowhere null sec? It may be quicker to do your shopping in Thera.
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#92 - 2014-12-03 04:17:13 UTC
Tear Jar wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Tear Jar wrote:
Thera looks like a great place to buy small goods. T3s and interceptors can reasonably warp in and out to buy/supply the place.

Why would you go to Thera when you can go to Jita?


Maybe you live in the middle of nowhere null sec? It may be quicker to do your shopping in Thera.

You'd still be less likely to find Thera than any other random wormhole that would inevitably lead to empire space. And the latter would be less dangerous.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#93 - 2014-12-03 05:28:15 UTC
Tear Jar wrote:
Gogela wrote:
With regards to the draw for players going to Thera I haven't heard anything convincing from anyone which would dissuade players from going based on what the system represents and the opportunities it affords those bold enough to go. There are plenty of reasons to go to Thera. My only concern about this system since we got more details is that there are only 4 stations and I think they may be perma camped. If that ends up being the case, the foundational reasons for going to Thera will crumble. If you can't access the station, it'll be like there are no stations. ...so what's the point, than?

Fortunately I think the fix is relatively simple. They'll need to post some over-sized station guns on the stations, giving most players at least a chance of getting out of the undock area. I don't think anything needs to be said to CCP about this, though. We can just kick back and wait to see what happens. If I'm right than the problems with Thera will become apparent on their own. With CCPs rapid deployment of patches these days, they could fix it in a down time. If Thera doesn't deliver or isn't used, I'm sure CCP will simply make the changes required to get it where it needs to be.

Thera will take care of itself. It'll be molded into something useful, albeit in time. Just my 2 isk...

Ned Thomas wrote:
People who live in Thera should be known as "Therapists".

That is all.

Also: This ^ is the funniest thing ever on the internet. +1


Even if it is permacamped, nullfied Cov ops T3s and Interceptors will be able to get in and out with proper bookmarks.

Its a great market to sell and buy small cargo.

...maybe. IF they don't get bumped off bookmark when they undock. I'm an avid nullified T3 operator when messing with the nullsec markets. It's not as cut and dry when undocking because your enemy knows exactly where you will be and n what trajectory when you undock. A little lag can be a real killer when facing a station camp. ...but yes I'm sure some will still be able to survive for a bit / most of the time. There are some really slippery people in this game.

I'm not really that worried about it, though. CCP will fix it if things need fixin', and I'm wrong in my EvE predictions as often as I'm right so wtf do I know anyway? I think this is one we'll just have to chill out on and watch as it unfolds. Blink

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Leannor
State War Academy
Caldari State
#94 - 2014-12-03 09:04:44 UTC
Tear Jar wrote:
Gogela wrote:
With regards to the draw for players going to Thera I haven't heard anything convincing from anyone which would dissuade players from going based on what the system represents and the opportunities it affords those bold enough to go. There are plenty of reasons to go to Thera. My only concern about this system since we got more details is that there are only 4 stations and I think they may be perma camped. If that ends up being the case, the foundational reasons for going to Thera will crumble. If you can't access the station, it'll be like there are no stations. ...so what's the point, than?

Fortunately I think the fix is relatively simple. They'll need to post some over-sized station guns on the stations, giving most players at least a chance of getting out of the undock area. I don't think anything needs to be said to CCP about this, though. We can just kick back and wait to see what happens. If I'm right than the problems with Thera will become apparent on their own. With CCPs rapid deployment of patches these days, they could fix it in a down time. If Thera doesn't deliver or isn't used, I'm sure CCP will simply make the changes required to get it where it needs to be.

Thera will take care of itself. It'll be molded into something useful, albeit in time. Just my 2 isk...

Ned Thomas wrote:
People who live in Thera should be known as "Therapists".

That is all.

Also: This ^ is the funniest thing ever on the internet. +1


Even if it is permacamped, nullfied Cov ops T3s and Interceptors will be able to get in and out with proper bookmarks.

Its a great market to sell and buy small cargo.



small cargo doesn't make for a trade hub ...

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Serene Repose
#95 - 2014-12-03 09:12:04 UTC
CCP Greyscale wrote:
I am totally sold on this argument.

Thera is cancelled! Next stop: deleting Syndicate and Providence.
You're nuts. That being said, you could use a bit more color. HOWEVER (comma) <----- BIG however....

Even if there were an area designated as instant pvp, that wouldn't change the complexion of EVE as EVEryone KNOWS New Eden is that area and such a designation would be redundant. SO, I'd place the OP in the strawman argument zone.

We must accommodate the idiocracy.
Grauth Thorner
Vicious Trading Company
#96 - 2014-12-03 10:58:08 UTC
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Debora Tsung
Perkone
Caldari State
#97 - 2014-12-03 11:35:22 UTC
CCP Greyscale wrote:
I am totally sold on this argument.

Thera is cancelled! Next stop: deleting Syndicate and Providence.

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Square PI
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#98 - 2014-12-03 13:34:45 UTC
Aladar Dangerface wrote:
Syn Shi wrote:
Hi sec players wont be going to Thera.

And since most of the pvp is centered around beating up of high sec players.

You get the picture.


Centred around high sec? Really? i mean really????


Go on the map in Eve. Switch it to Ships destroyed and Player in system.

Conculsion from this? Yes. centered around high sec. At least this is how i see these data.
Prt Scr
569th Freelancers
#99 - 2014-12-03 14:02:10 UTC
i know its a bit off topic, but i know we cant take caps into Thera...can we build them in the stations? I just toooo lazy to read all the info and find outLol

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flaming phantom
Unlimited LTD
#100 - 2014-12-03 15:38:31 UTC
I personally am looking forward to being able to quickly go somewhere and get a fight. You seem butthurt that now people won't have to roam for hours just to get a fight, I say good. Who the heck wants to literally spend hours trying to get 2 minutes of excitement?

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