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The case against Thera

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#21 - 2014-12-01 17:19:43 UTC
CCP Greyscale wrote:
I am totally sold on this argument.

Thera is cancelled! Next stop: deleting Syndicate and Providence.
If only this wasn't a joke. Thera sounds like it's going to be pretty lame IMHO. Not really sure what was going though your minds when you came up with that one.

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Anslo
Scope Works
#22 - 2014-12-01 17:30:38 UTC
Grr changes. Grr new content. Grr only balance things. Grr elitism.

Hue.

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Rowells
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2014-12-01 17:32:59 UTC
CCP Greyscale wrote:
I am totally sold on this argument.

Thera is cancelled! Next stop: deleting Syndicate and Providence.

let's just go ahead and skip to deletion of spaceships.
Primary This Rifter
Mutual Fund of the Something
#24 - 2014-12-01 17:33:28 UTC
Glathull wrote:
Thera is going to get out on lockdown almost immediately by someone. It won't be instant PVP at all. It will be death camped to hell.

If you want to complain about insta-pvp-zones, complain about RvB. But then no one will take you seriously because everyone loves RvB. Especially B.

Good luck holding a 300+ AU system when you can't use anchorable bubbles.
Vol Arm'OOO
Central Co-Prosperity Union
#25 - 2014-12-01 17:38:32 UTC
Rowells wrote:
CCP Greyscale wrote:
I am totally sold on this argument.

Thera is cancelled! Next stop: deleting Syndicate and Providence.

let's just go ahead and skip to deletion of spaceships.


Dont get me started - tiercide's emphasis on roles is anti-sandbox to its core. IMO, it would have been much better to reduce the number of hulls while increasing player freedom in how to fit the remaining hulls.

I don't play, I just fourm warrior.

Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#26 - 2014-12-01 17:40:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Destiny Corrupted
It's not that the idea is bad, it's just that they could have done so much more with it in order to make it a truly unique, appreciated facet of the EVE experience. For example, Thera could have been turned into a black market hub with places to create, acquire, and trade various drugs. Special, rare components could be purchased in the station's LP shop, and the numerous wormhole connections could facilitate the system's use as drug smugglers' main staging point, by letting them avoid normal empire gate travel. Special anchorable structures for drug production could entice people to actually be in space, instead of being docked, or at wormhole entrances only.

But instead, we get another half-baked feature that's good to write about, but not fun to actually use. Just like bounty-hunting, eh Greyscale? You know, the very realistic system of bounty-hunting we have in the game wherein we press one button, and let random passers-by, instead of licensed professionals, do all the work.

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#27 - 2014-12-01 17:45:27 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Grr changes. Grr new content. Grr only balance things. Grr elitism.

Hue.
More like Grr adding "new" (it's a wormhole with a station in it) space while half of the existing space isn't used because it's terribly designed.

After they get it in and we have the 6 patches that will fix it and stop it breaking everything it broke, it'll be no time at all before it too is unused by all but a few. At best a single large group will hijack it with the odd roaming gang. It'll basically be about as effective as NPC null mission hubs.

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DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#28 - 2014-12-01 17:46:00 UTC
If I had more people in my corp i'd go to threa and form an NRDS collective and make it a Freeport. But I don't have the man power to attempt to enforce it.

Honestly, threa has all kinds of potential, but to kill open world pvp? no, I think you need to lay off the drugs man

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Indahmawar Fazmarai
#29 - 2014-12-01 17:50:58 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
It's not that the idea is bad, it's just that they could have done so much more with it in order to make it a truly unique, appreciated facet of the EVE experience. For example, Thera could have been turned into a black market hub with places to create, acquire, and trade various drugs. Special, rare components could be purchased in the station's LP shop, and the numerous wormhole connections could facilitate the system's use as drug smugglers' main staging point, by letting them avoid normal empire gate travel. Special anchorable structures for drug production could entice people to actually be in space, instead of being docked, or at wormhole entrances only.

But instead, we get another half-baked feature that's good to write about, but not fun to actually use. Just like bounty-hunting, eh Greyscale? You know, the very realistic system of bounty-hunting we have in the game wherein we press one button, and let random passers-by, instead of licensed professionals, do all the work.


You forget my all time favorite of the new bounty system: bountying yourself. That truly gave a new meaning to the concept of "bounty".
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#30 - 2014-12-01 17:55:45 UTC
DaReaper wrote:
If I had more people in my corp i'd go to threa and form an NRDS collective and make it a Freeport. But I don't have the man power to attempt to enforce it.

Honestly, threa has all kinds of potential, but to kill open world pvp? no, I think you need to lay off the drugs man
So if you had the power you'd turn it into Provi? Glad to see you're thinking outside the box.

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Vol Arm'OOO
Central Co-Prosperity Union
#31 - 2014-12-01 17:56:00 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Anslo wrote:
Grr changes. Grr new content. Grr only balance things. Grr elitism.

Hue.
More like Grr adding "new" (it's a wormhole with a station in it) space while half of the existing space isn't used because it's terribly designed.



I kinda got the feeling that jump fat was designed to concentrate players by making it too undesirable to live far from empire. But then they go and add the shattered wh's and thera - whats the point of spreading a thin population base even thinner?

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Jade Blackwind
#32 - 2014-12-01 18:14:06 UTC
Vol Arm'OOO wrote:


Thera functions like a battle zone. Its clear purpose is to promote availability of instant pvp, i.e. you log into Thera and get fights.

(...)

P.S. I am aware, BTW that battle zones are typically "instanced" whereas Thera is not. The analogy is not perfect, but IMO the effect of Thera should be the same as a battle zone.


...Delete FW? Also, ban RvB? Hint: instant PvP is already organized by the players and is fun.
BuckStrider
Nano-Tech Experiments
#33 - 2014-12-01 18:16:32 UTC
CCP Greyscale wrote:
I am totally sold on this argument.

Thera is cancelled! Next stop: deleting Syndicate and Providence.


So CCP is really trying to fix the crappy areas of this game....

Hell, I might just log in this month.

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The Chicken Coop
#34 - 2014-12-01 18:29:05 UTC
Removing Syndicate would just make Solitude slightly more appropriately named than it already is.

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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#35 - 2014-12-01 18:32:28 UTC
How can one ***** about something that hasn't even come out yet?



OP, there are plenty of other things to ***** about that are out now, why cant you simply choose one of those? If youre having a hard time choosing, just pick something from the market at random and pitch a ***** over it.

Here, ill try.

WHAT THE ABSOLUTE **** CCCP?!?!? WHY DO YOU HAND OUT 1 ******* TRITANIUM FOR FREE WITH EACH NOOBSHIP?!?!?! WHY ARE YOU INTENTIONALLY TRYING TO CRASH THE ******* MARKET ON TRITANIUM!?!?!??! YOU HAVE LITERALLY COST ME HUNDREDS OF ISK IN LOST PROFITS BECASUE OF THIS GAMEBREAKING LOSS OF MARKET SHARE!!!!! I R DEMAND REIMBURSEMENT OR I R UNSUB! STAHP INTERFEREING IN PLAYER DRIVEN MARKET CCP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111!!!!!!one!!!!!1!1!!eleven!!!!

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?

Vol Arm'OOO
Central Co-Prosperity Union
#36 - 2014-12-01 18:49:26 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
How can one ***** about something that hasn't even come out yet?



OP, there are plenty of other things to ***** about that are out now, why cant you simply choose one of those? If youre having a hard time choosing, just pick something from the market at random and pitch a ***** over it.

Here, ill try.

WHAT THE ABSOLUTE **** CCCP?!?!? WHY DO YOU HAND OUT 1 ******* TRITANIUM FOR FREE WITH EACH NOOBSHIP?!?!?! WHY ARE YOU INTENTIONALLY TRYING TO CRASH THE ******* MARKET ON TRITANIUM!?!?!??! YOU HAVE LITERALLY COST ME HUNDREDS OF ISK IN LOST PROFITS BECASUE OF THIS GAMEBREAKING LOSS OF MARKET SHARE!!!!! I R DEMAND REIMBURSEMENT OR I R UNSUB! STAHP INTERFEREING IN PLAYER DRIVEN MARKET CCP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111!!!!!!one!!!!!1!1!!eleven!!!!


Why do they add that one trit? All that trit must add up. Anyways if you wait until CCP implements something then its too late. Besides, what are the forums for, if not for folk to rant and rave at everything ccp does?

I don't play, I just fourm warrior.

Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2014-12-01 19:06:43 UTC
Vol Arm'OOO wrote:
CCP Greyscale wrote:
I am totally sold on this argument.

Thera is cancelled! Next stop: deleting Syndicate and Providence.


In every open world pvp game where battle grounds were introduced the Devs were similarly myopic. None of them said lets introduce battle grounds and kill open world pvp, instead they all thought they could balance the issues and failed miserably. Im thinking of EQ2 pvp in particular, where the soe devs committed open world pvp suicide when they introduced battle grounds. Come to think of it, there are have been consistent rumors of SOE looking to acquire CCP and of CCP devs cavorting with SOE devs. Maybe you all drinking from the same koolaid?



Your analogy is bad. For one Thera is NOTHING like EQ2 Battlgrounds. EQ2 BG's were more like arena matches, where 2 sides, up to 30 per side could choose to start a match and bam they get warped into a battleground and start fighting.

Thera is just another system. Sure it might be full of people wanting to undock and fight. But that is no different than many systems already in EVE (thinking Old man start, M-O, etc) where people go specifically to get a fight, with each system generally offering a different potential match up.

Sorry sky isn't falling.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#38 - 2014-12-01 19:09:05 UTC
Vol Arm'OOO wrote:
Besides, what are the forums for, if not for folk to rant and rave at everything ccp does?


Well, ranting is bad.. and against the rules.

For that matter so is trolling..

So who am I to speak? Carry on.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?

Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#39 - 2014-12-01 19:15:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Eugene Kerner
OP...I had to like a Greyscale post...you are to blame for that.

On a side note everyone and their mother will be having clones there, staging there from time to time and terrorising Null sec ratters. It could even be a good short cut to other regions if you keep a prober there. SUre the station games will be "funny" and "original" and the inbound wormholes will (should!) be camped 100% of the time.
I do not see "arena" pvp there more like a rouge system connecting to all of new eden pouring out death and destruction to every region.
Right now on Sisi it only connects to low, high and Null but as soon as it connects to w-space there will be all kind of folk rolling around...

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Kamahl Daikun
State War Academy
Caldari State
#40 - 2014-12-01 19:21:35 UTC
Leannor wrote:
Whatever Thera will, or won’t be, I’m all for it. As long as it plays by the same fundamental rules of EVE; “Sandbox”.


Remember when missioning was a good source of money?
How about salvaging?
Exploration?

Now that's what I call a sandbox.