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Ships that need damage nerfs
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Jacid
The Upside Down
#81 - 2014-12-02 10:16:34 UTC
Not to add to this whine fest but i just want to point out that a brutix costs 60 million or so for the hull and the demios 140 or more. I consider that fair exchange for the brutix being at a slight disadvantage (possibly debatable)

Vexors and NVI are terribly weakly tanked when shield tanked.

Although I do think drones need to be looked at. The issue boils down to the fact that they must fit in all hull types. Unlike the rest of the weapon systems in the game where hull bonuses are tied to weapons sizes. I always felt drones need to be more fragile to counter their power and bonuses to drone hitpoints need to be removed from hulls.

You might also remove drone bandwidth and control range. Then make drones like the rest of the weapon systems with a cycle time, and overheating. The difference would be that drones have flight time like missiles and also a recall time when the weapon system stops cycle.

But that's really for a different thread...
Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
#82 - 2014-12-02 13:56:58 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Valkin Mordirc wrote:
Quote:
hardly a supernerf, just toning down some of the very strong dps cruisers too more reasonable dps levels .. try fitting a VNI with ogres and 2 blasters 3 DDA's and you'll see just how much dps you can get..
Deimos , i was thinking more a Nos too help its cap, with a small damage buff too compensate some dps loss.

Notice how there are no amarr or minmatar ships in my list..


Yeah a Vexor would get a pretty sick DPS.

But your not going to have a tank at that point.


And I really don't care that you didn't mention Amarr or Minmatar ships, What was the point of mentioning it in the first place? I never said anything about them.


And again, Why do you insist on Nerfing Cruiser just because CBC's are flimsy? A HAC SHOULD beat a CBC. Even if CBC's where decent.


A well fit brutix vs a well fit diemost will see the brutix win. Both will slug it out at the same range and both get a rep bonus but the brutix gets more firepower and meat to its tank. Then there is the myrm, a damn fine solo BC. CBC are far from helpless like the OP tries to make out.


i didnt try too make out they were helpless in any way, merely that i felt there are plenty of cruiser options that can do a better job than CBC's out there , with just as strong dps or higher, which is a little at odds with the supposed trade offs the different hulls are meant too make, disregarding cost as CCP has said its not a balancing factor.

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using
Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
#83 - 2014-12-02 13:59:09 UTC
Lugia3 wrote:
Harvey James wrote:
Zavand Crendraven wrote:
Harvey James wrote:
Valkin Mordirc wrote:
Cruisers are actually pretty fine where they are. The VNI might do it's job to well, but it's certainly not on the levels how you are putting it.


For the most part, HAC's fill the role just fine. The Deimos probably one of the better ones, and the Eagle being probably the worst. I think the Deimos does just fine as is though, again maybe slightly overpowered. But not enough to lose a turret slot in exchange for a neut. It's an active tanking ship it doesn't need more cap pressure to put on itself.


Rather then calling for a Super-nerf on cruisers. What about a buff to CBC's?


Will agree the the Gila/Worm are OP, though. Gila can sling 1000dps with a bling fit. D=


hardly a supernerf, just toning down some of the very strong dps cruisers too more reasonable dps levels .. try fitting a VNI with ogres and 2 blasters 3 DDA's and you'll see just how much dps you can get..
Deimos , i was thinking more a Nos too help its cap, with a small damage buff too compensate some dps loss.

Notice how there are no amarr or minmatar ships in my list..

what about the cerberus then? can get same dps as deimos and apply it to way better ranges also needs nerf hammer no?


i love the constant massive exaggerations too try and justify a point.. knocking something down a peg to where it belongs is hardly anywhere near a nerf hammer.. but yes cerb is also a little strong with projection and dps.. but even with 700dps it hardly applies it aswell as a deimos and is stuck with kinetic only, although HAM's having the same range as torps isn't right and will be fixed at some point surely..


Cerb has 0 projection issues. It can hit out to long range doing good dps on smallish targets. If you want to wax frigs, fit rapid lights and you become a mobile no-fly zone for small ships. Meanwhile the Deimos has to be within 5km to do any damage whatsoever.

Pro tip: The Deimos is also restricted to kinetic/thermal damage.

Do you even Eve?


mm... rapid lights are a different story of brokeness that should have been deleted..
and i think you are disregarding the range possibilities the deimos has as either blaster or rail fitted..

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#84 - 2014-12-02 14:54:21 UTC
Harvey James wrote:

i didnt try too make out they were helpless in any way, merely that i felt there are plenty of cruiser options that can do a better job than CBC's out there , with just as strong dps or higher, which is a little at odds with the supposed trade offs the different hulls are meant too make, disregarding cost as CCP has said its not a balancing factor.


But as has been shown the brutix will out damage the deimos while sporting a good deal more buffer and it is far from sluggish. The deimos is a fine cruiser but it does not invalidate the brutix.We then have the likes of the myrm and the cane which are both nice ships. CBCs are not out classed here.
Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
#85 - 2014-12-02 15:14:22 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Harvey James wrote:

i didnt try too make out they were helpless in any way, merely that i felt there are plenty of cruiser options that can do a better job than CBC's out there , with just as strong dps or higher, which is a little at odds with the supposed trade offs the different hulls are meant too make, disregarding cost as CCP has said its not a balancing factor.


But as has been shown the brutix will out damage the deimos while sporting a good deal more buffer and it is far from sluggish. The deimos is a fine cruiser but it does not invalidate the brutix.We then have the likes of the myrm and the cane which are both nice ships. CBCs are not out classed here.


alright so in some cases the deimos might not win a fight against CBC's... it is maybe more a case edge like i said , but things like the gila, VNI etc would win

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using
Lady Rift
His Majesty's Privateers
#86 - 2014-12-02 17:19:04 UTC
Harvey James wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Harvey James wrote:

i didnt try too make out they were helpless in any way, merely that i felt there are plenty of cruiser options that can do a better job than CBC's out there , with just as strong dps or higher, which is a little at odds with the supposed trade offs the different hulls are meant too make, disregarding cost as CCP has said its not a balancing factor.


But as has been shown the brutix will out damage the deimos while sporting a good deal more buffer and it is far from sluggish. The deimos is a fine cruiser but it does not invalidate the brutix.We then have the likes of the myrm and the cane which are both nice ships. CBCs are not out classed here.


alright so in some cases the deimos might not win a fight against CBC's... it is maybe more a case edge like i said , but things like the gila, VNI etc would win



ya you have take the next step to faction or pirate to get it done
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#87 - 2014-12-02 17:41:25 UTC
Pirate ships are meant to be powerful but they are not invincible. A ship with a smartbomb is going to cause issues for example.


As a side note, the CBCs can fit 100mn MWD to hit speeds of over 4k and are able to fit a full rack of guns, tackle, a probe launcher and a bit more than a token tank. Gimicky yes but having a BC chasing down frigates is a rather funny thing to see.