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Rattlesnake as a pure drone boat
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Chris Winter
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#21 - 2014-12-03 22:10:09 UTC
Toad The Hitchhiker wrote:


Optimal and tracking is nice, but with the plethora of mids and the lows free to use on the rattle you can more than make up for it.

Actually, due to stacking penalties, you can't make up for it. A domi can easily get Garde IIs to 50km+25km range and .08 tracking. The rattlesnake can't even come close to that.
Toad The Hitchhiker
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#22 - 2014-12-03 23:11:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Toad The Hitchhiker
Chris Winter wrote:
Toad The Hitchhiker wrote:


Optimal and tracking is nice, but with the plethora of mids and the lows free to use on the rattle you can more than make up for it.

Actually, due to stacking penalties, you can't make up for it. A domi can easily get Garde IIs to 50km+25km range and .08 tracking. The rattlesnake can't even come close to that.



You do know a full bonus Domi only gets 37.5% increase right and no bonus to falloff?

Anyways, sure you are right, Domi's are OP. They are the best. No one should use a Rattlesnake. Which is probably why no one does right? Roll
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#23 - 2014-12-04 04:56:09 UTC
Toad The Hitchhiker wrote:
Optimal and tracking is nice, but with the plethora of mids and the lows free to use on the rattle you can more than make up for it. Besides, the Gecko doesn't need either tracking or optimal bonus really. Cost, not much of a difference. 190 for a domi and 450 for a RS. RS is just hands down the winner if you have any kind of decent skills and arent completely afk.


the cost factor is way closer than I was thinking, can't seem to get my brain to accept domis don't cost 48 mil, and make money from insurance when they go boom. Lol

also 50+25 on garde IIs comes from 2x omnis, one with optimal script one with no script. 2 tracking speed scripted ones on top will get you up to the 0.08 figure.

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Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#24 - 2014-12-04 05:26:15 UTC
Using the Rattlesnake as a pure drone ship is like shield tanking a Megathron or using the Celestis as an energy neutralizer ship.

Yes, you can do it. No, you generally should not, as it does not play to the strengths of the hull.

The Rattler is an extremely strong ship if used properly, which means Gecko + missiles at close range, or 2x sentry and long range missiles.

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Chris Winter
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#25 - 2014-12-04 06:36:30 UTC
Toad The Hitchhiker wrote:
You do know a full bonus Domi only gets 37.5% increase right and no bonus to falloff?

You do know that has nothing to do with my statement, right? A rattler simply cannot get the same range and tracking on drones that a domi can. Even if it devotes all of its midslots to omnis, it just won't work. Try it in EFT if you don't believe me.

And yes, I'm quite aware that using a rattler just for drones isn't the best idea.
chaosgrimm
Synth Tech
#26 - 2014-12-04 07:00:08 UTC
elitatwo wrote:
You will need at least 2x logistic boats or warp out very often.


ur doing it wrong
Kestrix
The Whispering
#27 - 2014-12-04 08:10:39 UTC
Hellois Dawn wrote:
Hello

Is the Rattlesnake still a viable drone boat or was function ruined in the last update.


Im using a dommi but i would like to use a few in level 5 missions


thanks for your help


Yes
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2014-12-05 22:10:49 UTC
any ship where you ignore one of it's bonuses will be subpar to another in the same class where you use all of them.

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Toad The Hitchhiker
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#29 - 2014-12-05 22:16:11 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
any ship where you ignore one of it's bonuses will be subpar to another in the same class where you use all of them.


I pray you aren't talking about the Rattle vs the Domi. The RS actually gets more than 2 bonuses Cool

The original domi had a bonus to large hybrids... no one seems to miss it lol
Atomeon
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2014-12-05 22:24:30 UTC
Toad The Hitchhiker wrote:

The original domi had a bonus to large hybrids... no one seems to miss it lol


That stupid buff went now to Navy Dominix, and only makes it worse than simple Dominix :(
Toad The Hitchhiker
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#31 - 2014-12-05 22:32:18 UTC
Atomeon wrote:
Toad The Hitchhiker wrote:

The original domi had a bonus to large hybrids... no one seems to miss it lol


That stupid buff went now to Navy Dominix, and only makes it worse than simple Dominix :(


I know lol, and people still buy the overpriced camo piece of poo too.

RS gives you all the DPS (not playing the game that 6 dps on 5x as many drones is better) and the option to throw even more all while giving you a more useful mid slot tank that can actually tank and your choice of whatever rigs fit your fancy. Because of the open low slots you can actually out DPS the domi in drones alone.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2014-12-05 22:44:31 UTC
you can theoretically out dps the domi with drones alone yes, however practically you will come nowhere close to it's application and reliability.

Sniping elite frigates from over 100km away with non-gardes and one-hitting them is extremely satisfying and useful

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Toad The Hitchhiker
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#33 - 2014-12-05 22:54:25 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
you can theoretically out dps the domi with drones alone yes, however practically you will come nowhere close to it's application and reliability.

Sniping elite frigates from over 100km away with non-gardes and one-hitting them is extremely satisfying and useful


True but to hit out that far with either ship you have to sacrifice. Domi needs SB to target at that range and drone mods in mids along with high slot drone links. While the RS can simply paint and fire Cruise at them, or wait until they are slightly closer and do the same. Any ship with the bandwidth can snipe with Wardens, that isn't special.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2014-12-05 23:33:20 UTC
My domi has 3 DDAs while armour tanking and 3 omnis in mids along with SB and a MJD.

Yes you can snipe with wardens, but that's not going to work against all flavours of rats. Being able to semi snipe with garde's and get over 80km range with all the other sentries is a lot more valuable than you would think.

Plus don't bring missiles into this, the thread was talking about rattle as a pure drone boat. Obviously when utilising it at it's full potential a pirate BS is going to outperform a T1

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Toad The Hitchhiker
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#35 - 2014-12-05 23:39:40 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
My domi has 3 DDAs while armour tanking and 3 omnis in mids along with SB and a MJD.

Yes you can snipe with wardens, but that's not going to work against all flavours of rats. Being able to semi snipe with garde's and get over 80km range with all the other sentries is a lot more valuable than you would think.

Plus don't bring missiles into this, the thread was talking about rattle as a pure drone boat. Obviously when utilising it at it's full potential a pirate BS is going to outperform a T1



"Hello

Is the Rattlesnake still a viable drone boat or was function ruined in the last update.


Im using a dommi but i would like to use a few in level 5 missions


thanks for your help"

Don't bring missiles into this? You are completely ignoring the premise of this thread. He wants a drone boat that can run Level 5... and you just suggested a tank gimped with 3x DDA. Have fun dying in a fire. RS can tank the level 5's, out DPS the Domi in drones AND throw missiles (shhhh don't tell)
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2014-12-06 01:39:01 UTC
You're right.

Level 5s though =S

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