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Caroline's Star, Sansha Activity, Unusual Things - Compilation.

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Frenjo Borkstar
Doomheim
#1 - 2014-11-29 00:39:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Frenjo Borkstar
By now, you all know about the strange Nation activity, Caroline's Star and all events which people believe may be linked together. This resource is here to compile all of the information we have so far into one place.

And if you have been monitoring the IGS NeoCom channel, you will know my views on this.

Here is what we know about Caroline's Star/Caroline's Anomaly (it's not a star) (or The Bork-Star as it's been called) so far:


  • The position that was triangulated was in W477-P - link.
  • It's most likely a core-collapse supernova from what we can tell and we predict, if it continues expanding, will engulf the system, and possibly the surrounding systems. - link.
  • It has similarities to the Seyllin incident, which occured a few years ago, possibly leading to the formation of wormholes around the cluster. - It's been pointed out that the similarities may be coincidental, or the result of psychological willingness to link these things together. This needs more research.

  • It appears to be affecting jump drives. - Reported by RAZOR alliance, and some other associates from Black Legion who have since CONFIRMED reductions in jump drive range - But this MAY or MAY NOT be linked to the anomaly.

  • It appears to be growing bigger and brighter. - It has stopped growing, and seems to be forming some kind of nebula.
  • Doubles in size approximately every 19 hours.

  • Multiple images have been taken, some can be found here.
  • Thanks to the kindness of CFC, I was able to travel into their space unchallenged, and took these images - as you can see it's VERY large in JZV-F4, which is the closest to the anomaly.
  • Close up image can be found here.
  • A per-point colour dissassembly and luminosity graph can be found here, where the central spike is the anomaly. To go with the graph, we have the initial 52.8 thousand lines of data which formed the graph.

    • Another noticed effect of the recent events, is that there appears to be increased wormhole formation within the cluster, but this hasn't been exactly verified, but various sources say this is the case - Several explorers, and myself have reported this, so I am going to assume it's correct. More verification is needed to be sure..
    • I've also been told, by Saede Riordan that there may not be increased wormhole formation, but increased accesibility.
    • There has also been an increase in the amount of wormhole-space pirate data and relic sites. - Seems to be correct.

  • We believe that it may be linked to the unusual Sansha's Nation activity in Oasa, due to the fact they did not use wormholes to leave, due to similarities with Seyllin in which wormholes were related to the solar activity - link.
  • Could be linked to the unusual sleeper message. - This may be a hoax and is currently being investigated.

Here is what we know about the unusual Nation activity in Oasa:

  • Nation made an incursion into the area as per usual.
  • They controlled the area for an entire six days.
  • They then abruptly left, without using wormholes, instead using local deadspace and regional jumpgates.

And here is what we know about the mysterious sleeper message:

  • Could possibly be a hoax, this is being investigated.
  • Several grammatical errors and simple problems with text.
  • Linked to message supposedly from Dr. Hilen Tukoss, the curator of Site One.

Here's what we know about the message from Dr. Hilen Tukoss:

  • The message suppposedly originated from coordinates in Anoikis.
  • May be a hoax, but is assumed to be genuine.
  • Preliminary decoding makes links to Site One, further reinforcing the link between the Sleeper events, and Site One.

These events may or may not be linked, this is just a place to document all the information we have, not to say whether you believe they're linked or not.

This is not an exhaustive list, and may be updated as more information is made available.
Feel free to respond with other information that you think needs adding.
Please also reference my other posts lower down and on page two for more information.

I need ANY assistance with star images, measurements, triangulations, if you have anything, post it here so that it can be all in one place rather than a lot of transmission-links.

This is not a place for opinion, only a place to document fact to avoid confusion - Please treat it as such.

Viriel,

Borkstar Laboratories,

The Borkstar Initiative.

Astera Zandraki
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2014-11-29 01:56:18 UTC
Keep up the good work.
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#3 - 2014-11-29 02:22:24 UTC
A request for clarification.

In what way does this resemble the Seyllin Incident? I was under the impression that this mostly closely resembled the appearance of the Bright Star, which occurred a year before Seyllin.

That said, do we have any confirmation of increased.or unusual wormhole formation? I'm dubious of any capsuleer claiming to have proprietary knowledge unknown to the cluster at large.

Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?

Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#4 - 2014-11-29 06:10:35 UTC
This doesn't resemble the Sylin incident at all.
It does resemble the Bright star from about a year before the Sylin Incident, but there isn't any proof that was linked to the Seylin incident.

As far as being a supernova. A supernova wouldn't engulf half the cluster. A supernova would, of course, destroy its own system, and might have effects on other very close systems, but systems more than a few lightyears away wouldn't see much than a spike in cosmic radiation.

Makoto Priano wrote:

That said, do we have any confirmation of increased.or unusual wormhole formation?

At the moment, it does not seem that way, but wormholes of a new type with very tight mass limit began to appear a couple of months ago, and I have heard rumors of a number of systems gaining additional links. It may not be linked to this event, however.

Correlation does not equal causation, and 2 months isn't a very tight correlation.
Frenjo Borkstar
Doomheim
#5 - 2014-11-29 10:22:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Frenjo Borkstar
Xindi Kraid wrote:
This doesn't resemble the Sylin incident at all.
It does resemble the Bright star from about a year before the Sylin Incident, but there isn't any proof that was linked to the Seylin incident.

As far as being a supernova. A supernova wouldn't engulf half the cluster. A supernova would, of course, destroy its own system, and might have effects on other very close systems, but systems more than a few lightyears away wouldn't see much than a spike in cosmic radiation.

Makoto Priano wrote:

That said, do we have any confirmation of increased.or unusual wormhole formation?

At the moment, it does not seem that way, but wormholes of a new type with very tight mass limit began to appear a couple of months ago, and I have heard rumors of a number of systems gaining additional links. It may not be linked to this event, however.

Correlation does not equal causation, and 2 months isn't a very tight correlation.


I completely agree about the supernova, my wording was wrong; I was thinking of a hypernova, but writing about a supernova and was talking to someone at the same time.
Anyhow, the general consensus is that there has been increased wormhole formation, although I am still trying to find proof. CFC aren't being that generous.

As far as the Seyllin incident's concerned, there have been several correlations, and as Kraid points out, a correlation doesn't necessarily mean there's a cause.

I'll update the main info-archive, and take some more images.

Viriel,

Borkstar Laboratories,

The Borkstar Initiative.

Blue spy
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#6 - 2014-11-29 13:51:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Blue spy
Here's a quick snap I took from Venal
Taraki Orani
BERSA Shipping Trading and Mining Co.
#7 - 2014-11-29 15:11:37 UTC
Blue spy wrote:
Here's a quick snap I took from Venal


I was in Venal y.day... It is indeed getting bigger and brighter...

talked with some Razor colleagues, and they simply think it is effecting their capital pilot's jump drive usage efficiency..

Do we have any outher findings of capsuleer effect other than this?
Frenjo Borkstar
Doomheim
#8 - 2014-11-29 15:15:53 UTC
Taraki Orani wrote:
Blue spy wrote:
Here's a quick snap I took from Venal


I was in Venal y.day... It is indeed getting bigger and brighter...

talked with some Razor colleagues, and they simply think it is effecting their capital pilot's jump drive usage efficiency..

Do we have any outher findings of capsuleer effect other than this?


As stated above, it apparently increases the wormhole formation in the cluster, but this is still unverified. Thanks to the kindness of several alliances, I have been able to travel freely through nullsec space, to observe from different points, and have definitely seen it's growing brighter.

Archive post (at top) has been updated with new information.

Viriel,

Borkstar Laboratories,

The Borkstar Initiative.

Aiko Ueshiba
Doomheim
#9 - 2014-11-29 15:48:37 UTC
On the subject of increased wormhole activity.

I have heard some chatter about this from other explorers, "Have you noticed there's a lot more wormholes around?"

I'm still a rookie, yet I've been able to detect wormholes with ease. In Vattoulen, I scanned down three different wormholes over a four-day period. I've since found at least one wormhole per day in Saisio and two in that system several hours ago.

Can this be verified by other, more experienced pilots? Especially for some of the more strategic systems? I still think this is a natural phenomenon that we don't understand yet., or a terrible but localized accident. But why take chances?

Thank you.



"... I assume that any work which engages with the future must necessarily consist of fragments of the past; any vision we have of the future is necessarily built of our experience to the moment in which we conceive of the vision." W. Gibson.

Frenjo Borkstar
Doomheim
#10 - 2014-11-29 15:51:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Frenjo Borkstar
Aiko Ueshiba wrote:
On the subject of increased wormhole activity.

I have heard some chatter about this from other explorers, "Have you noticed there's a lot more wormholes around?"

I'm still a rookie, yet I've been able to detect wormholes with ease. In Vattoulen, I scanned down three different wormholes over a four-day period. I've since found at least one wormhole per day in Saisio and two in that system several hours ago.

Can this be verified by other, more experienced pilots? Especially for some of the more strategic systems? I still think this is a natural phenomenon that we don't understand yet., or a terrible but localized accident. But why take chances?

Thank you.





I verify this, I am an experienced (some might say expert) explorer, and even using basic Tech I equipment, I have found a LOT more wormholes than would normally be encountered. I am saying this is true, but further verification's needed.

Edut: I've also been told it could be increased accessibility rather than increased generation.

Viriel,

Borkstar Laboratories,

The Borkstar Initiative.

Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2014-11-29 16:50:52 UTC
Update from the Q-CAB2 system, 52-JKU constellation, Tribute: [IMAGE]

I'm not liking how large that thing is getting.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Frenjo Borkstar
Doomheim
#12 - 2014-11-29 16:52:04 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Update from the Q-CAB2 system, 52-JKU constellation, Tribute: [IMAGE]

I'm not liking how large that thing is getting.


It's larger in JZV-F4, but all images are appreciated and required, thank you.

Viriel,

Borkstar Laboratories,

The Borkstar Initiative.

N'maro Makari
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#13 - 2014-11-29 18:40:54 UTC
Humbly positing that if we were to link the Seyllin incident with this, then the wormholes are going have the key. I haven't heard much unusual about WH activity, but still watching.

**Vherokior **

Frenjo Borkstar
Doomheim
#14 - 2014-11-29 20:06:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Frenjo Borkstar
N'maro Makari wrote:
Humbly positing that if we were to link the Seyllin incident with this, then the wormholes are going have the key. I haven't heard much unusual about WH activity, but still watching.


I just got back from a wormhole expedition with Aiko (from above) and Erja Ishanoya, and we found nothing strange, apart from the fact that in some systems, there seem to be 'pairs' of wormholes forming, which are always of type X702 and K162, an example of this is Perimeter system, and Saisio, which we investigated.

I'll update the thread with more information as we uncover it.

Viriel,

Borkstar Laboratories,

The Borkstar Initiative.

Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#15 - 2014-11-29 20:18:07 UTC
"I've heard," "I have found," etc, is still anecdotal.

I'm sorry to be harsh, but unless we have statistics, more signature types, or verification from baseliner authorities, the additional wormholes remain conjecture. Bias can creep in at any point. If we are to draw accurate and useful conclusions, we need to be absolutely sure about the information available to us.

For instance, the Seyllin comparison: I believe all of the 'shattered planet' systems are A0 stars per some research I've read, while this doesn't appear to have the right spectral class to be an A0, correct? And, of course, the Bright Star was a different class as well and showed even brightness over its lightspan. Formalizing a comparison to Seyllin puts us on a line of thought relating to wormholes, while the Bright Star has no tie to wormhole systems, and Seyllin has different characteristics. Now, Kraid-haan mentioned new, mass-limited wormholes. That's verifiable. I'll check Galnet for signature details and edit this post later.

In the meantime, let's tread carefuly.

Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?

Frenjo Borkstar
Doomheim
#16 - 2014-11-29 20:21:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Frenjo Borkstar
Makoto Priano wrote:
"I've heard," "I have found," etc, is still anecdotal.

I'm sorry to be harsh, but unless we have statistics, more signature types, or verification from baseliner authorities, the additional wormholes remain conjecture. Bias can creep in at any point. If we are to draw accurate and useful conclusions, we need to be absolutely sure about the information available to us.

For instance, the Seyllin comparison: I believe all of the 'shattered planet' systems are A0 stars per some research I've read, while this doesn't appear to have the right spectral class to be an A0, correct? And, of course, the Bright Star was a different class as well and showed even brightness over its lightspan. Formalizing a comparison to Seyllin puts us on a line of thought relating to wormholes, while the Bright Star has no tie to wormhole systems, and Seyllin has different characteristics. Now, Kraid-haan mentioned new, mass-limited wormholes. That's verifiable. I'll check Galnet for signature details and edit this post later.

In the meantime, let's tread carefuly.


I am endeavouring to remain balanced, however as you can understand, it's hard not to let bias creep in when you have your own beliefs, I am merely attempting to document EVERYTHING we believe may be connected, and everything we KNOW is connected, to allow those to make their own decisions. I have to be anecdotal, otherwise no information would have even got to me. People have been constantly telling me these things, am I supposed to say I just plucked it out of thin air?

I've also done some research on wormholes, as you've just read, and there appears to be no correlation, but as I say above, I am documenting everything that MAY be linked to this, so as to provide all the information.

If you'll read the bold and underlined text, you will see whether more research needs to be done, whether it's proven, et cetera.

Viriel,

Borkstar Laboratories,

The Borkstar Initiative.

Radax Glenn
Church of the Black Hand
#17 - 2014-11-29 20:44:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Radax Glenn
Posted elsewhere, but wanted to contribute as well.
Here are my thoughts:

Sleeper Beacon?
Mharius Skjem
Guardians of the Underworld
#18 - 2014-11-29 20:44:19 UTC
Aiko Ueshiba wrote:
On the subject of increased wormhole activity.

I have heard some chatter about this from other explorers, "Have you noticed there's a lot more wormholes around?"

I'm still a rookie, yet I've been able to detect wormholes with ease. In Vattoulen, I scanned down three different wormholes over a four-day period. I've since found at least one wormhole per day in Saisio and two in that system several hours ago.

Can this be verified by other, more experienced pilots? Especially for some of the more strategic systems? I still think this is a natural phenomenon that we don't understand yet., or a terrible but localized accident. But why take chances?

Thank you.





My gut feeling says that there is nothing natural about this phenomenon. My scans suggest that it's mathematically oefect. It's like this wormhole is somehow or other all other wormholes at the same time.

It makes no sense at all, which is why it can't be natural.

A recovering btter vet,  with a fresh toon and a determination to like everything that CCP does to Eve...

Don't take me too seriously though, I like to tease a bit on the forums, but that's only because I love you...

Frenjo Borkstar
Doomheim
#19 - 2014-11-29 20:50:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Frenjo Borkstar
I've done my own research, but there are too many rumours around.

A list of the theories and rumours follows:

  • A natural phenomenon.
  • Some kind of Jovian or even Minmatar Superweapon.
  • Sansha's Nation wormhole generator malfunction.
  • A supermassive black hole.
  • A supermassive cynosural field.
  • A natural phenomenon that's been artifically tampered with.
  • Something Sleeper, Talocan, or Yan Jung related. But the main emphasis is on the sleepers in reference to the mysterious messages.

  • Something as simple as the Sansha wormhole generator needing to recharge, which is why it wasn't used.


These are the most common theories that are around, but they are all speculation.
Be aware, this includes even the most outlandish of theories, but that is merely to keep everything in one place.

More effects have been added, and it is highlighted whether they are confirmed or not.

Viriel,

Borkstar Laboratories,

The Borkstar Initiative.

Cmdr Baxter
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#20 - 2014-11-29 21:30:06 UTC
If Nation's wormhole generation technology is malfunctioning as a result of interference from the anomaly, it could prove a tipping point in the war. Evidence collected from "Project Hydrogen Bomb" and the Battle of Yulai suggested only one or two of these devices existed.

Commander S. "Old Man" Baxter, CN (ret.)

Chief Archivist, The Synenose Accord

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