Player Features and Ideas Discussion

well cruises suck for kiting in comparison to every turret, since they pretty much cannot apply dps to cruisers or frigates. Even a typhoon (with its explosion velocity bonus) can't even get 300 dps applied to a painted MWDing shield thorax. You better hope you never have to shoot a frigate coming into scram you, because it's going to take all day. Cue morons saying "just bring a huginn with webs and paints!!!" Why would I do that when I can just bring another dps ship, one that doesn't require a recon to babysit them?

Missile kiting ships also have the huge disadvantage that tackle can just approach them with zero transversal and still mitigate a lot of damage, making it way easier to get tackled and DPSed by short-range ships. You have to approach turret kiting BS at a severe angle, making them much harder to close the distance and tackle

aaaaand they suck for fleets because of missile travel time, which both effectively reduces the damage output of your fleet whenever a target dies with missiles in the air and telegraphs to enemy logi what the next primary is, and because, again, they absolutely require webs and paints to have a hope of doing any damage, pretty much limiting them to 75km (the range of a linked huginn's webs), completely wasting their range "advantage" over turrets

they just suck

in fact I'd say that torps and cruises are probably the two worst things in the entire game, worse even than heavy missiles, worse than small beams, worse than medium autocannons

it's just they've been terrible for so long that people simply forgot they existed, and they exist only within the realm of EFT, never once appearing on any player's radar

so they'll never get buffed

are you serious

what

BRB. Defending pos with inty fleet from ishtar blob.




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back. in station. podded.

I think he meant the always popular Ferox fleet?

In fairness, 20 intys to 1 ishtar ratio will likely work.

But then I'd just do 20 ishtars to 1 and....go home faster.

Rails. Fine.
Missiles. Need Help. (only nerfed to speed up drake shaming.)

Ishtars. Not really an Ishtar issue...its deeper.

1) Missiles counter drone ships. Without like sized missiles being worth a **** drone ships are free to play. Period.

2) No threat from above. Except more drone ships. No BCs means Cruisers only threat are from drones.

I think #2 is the much more serious issue, and not just because of Ishtars, but basically every fleet is comprised of cruisers. Get BC's back in the game and you invite Battleship fleets again. No reason to use BS other than Domi against cruisers cause you will never hit ****. It should be a triangle. BC > AHAC > BS > BC. But without BC you get Tengus online, or Ishtars online, or LegionsOnline, or whatever flavor of the week cruiser gang is out the most.

FIX BCs CCP!

Honestly they should just remove 25MB. Would anyone stop flying Ishtars if they were 80% as powerful as they are now? Probably not, but at least it would bring them more in line numbers wise.

Rails need slight damage nerf but not much.

Ishtar IMO is an easy balance.

The problem is not the drones or the ship but the difficulty in counter with e war. What they should do for drone ships like ishtar is if you sensor damp the ship it effects the drone control range if you jam the ship(basically impossible with ecm nerf and hac sensor strength gain) then ships LOSE their ability to control drones not just oh i'll reassign them. I also think that drone assist should just be done away with. Make pilots pilot their freaking ships! I even think (gasp) tds should effect drones if you hit the ship itself i say make ewar able to counter and not nerf or power creep. let pilots pilot and see who is better.

If you did that ishtars would be counterable and drones would get a nerf that they need.

so in most ishtar scenario they drop sentries kite around with drones assigned to one person and your whole fleet sits there and dies and some warp off.. or in low sec you just don't engage and there is no bubble to hold you so boof.

With changes i suggest bring your mobile depot and some damps you run into said ishtar gang refit damps and spread them now most the kity ishtars arn't in control range of their sentries and will have to come into your fleet to engage and can't just sit at 100km going 3km's so now ishtars would have to engage or warp off. and you can welp the majority of their damage with put a damp on and ishtar pilot thats name starts with yours.

with ecm disconnecting drone control it gives ecm a slight buff in that you lose drone dmg now and have to reconnect probably not counter to ishtar because ecm sucks now and sensor strength buff but in small gang ishtars 10 or so one or two falcons/blackbirds could be useful.

td's pretty self explanatory if td passes through to drones a fleet spreading tds takes out the majority of the ishtar fleets damage by being able to keep range or close and out track them.

no drone asssist means nerf to ishtar gangs alpha if they don't have coordinated and skilled pilots just like with any other weapon system no just one guy hitting f1.


thx for reading and any tweaks to my suggestions.

I dunno, sentries are fine on, say, Dominixes, where they have the damage and range that's appropriate for a battleship, and all the drawbacks that come along with it.

The fact that a HAC can fit the same damage and range of a battleship without sacrificing any tank or mobility is just insane

Personally I think the ishtar bonus to both heavy and sentry drone is the issue, I would rather see it focus on heavy drones (see below). Which is a class of drones that at current seeing alot less use.

Ishtar bonuses:

100% to heavy drone max range per lvl
10% drone HP and Damage per lvl

+5km drone control range per lvl
-10% reduction to drone signature while mwding

Also buff heavy missiles pls.