Player Features and Ideas Discussion

perhaps if they undone the big buff they made too light missiles then the tracking bonus on the corax might be more meaningful

Ok, I have to point out one massive flaw with all of your arguments regarding missiles in general. - You act like EVERY PVP fitted ship in the game carries a smartbomb or two that is specifically designed for negating missiles. When in reality 2% of PVP fits have smartbombs in them. Usually those utility highs are for nos/neut.

So repeating "destroyable damage" in every post means nothing. As it has never been a REAL WORLD problem for as long as I've been playing EVE. And that's been 11 years now. Yes missiles can be destroyed - but hardly anyone bothers to do so. They either fight the missile boat and win, or die. They don't bother to mitigate damage with a smartbomb. Instead if they want to mitigate damage they use range(less applied damage) or kiting(going faster then what is it...missile velocity to mitigate damage). NOT SMARTBOMBS!

I mean whenever missiles are the "flavor of the month" on the "buff list" everyone uses this "point" in all of their arguments. Which leads me to believe either A) they have no real point to argue on so they have to fall back to this or B) they don't actually PVP at all. Or at least with or against missile boats.

EDIT: I mean hell even "guaranteed" utility slots in the case of Marauders usually end up being filled with Neuts/Nos. Not Smartbombs. So the ONE ship in the game that usually has room to put a decent rack of smartbombs - hardly ever does. So please stop using "but they can be destroyed" as a point in your argument.

Well, Cappu, I really must protest. I personally don't see how the Ishtar is at all overpowered. I don't see why heavy drones shouldn't be able to go as fast as warriors on ALL ships inherently.

I also don't see why they shouldn't be able to track absolutely anything and carry 2 backup sets of sentries.

They already knerfed drones into the ground by preventing people from assigning to a trigger, are you trying to get drones made useless? for god sake man grow up and stop being a little baby.

The Endgame of EvE Online being dominated by 1 single ship is not a problem its just because people are too LAZY to counter it!

Get good scrub and practice more, perhaps the test server is where you need to go for a while, maybe one day your stupid alliance will be relevant enough to own space. (but i doubt it, LOL)

Peace nerds.

p.s Keep up the great work CCP you're on track to being the best company at losing subs I have ever subscribed too by simply IGNORING the player base on every issue and having no communication with the general public whatsoever.

as viribus pointed out in the post above firewalling used to be an incredibly common counter to drake/thundercat tengu/cruise missile fleets and has even been used recently against anyone unfortunate enough who attempts to use missiles in fleets for some reason (source : i was in one of those fleets). I don't know what you've spent the last 11 years doing but whatever your area of focus in the game, taking five minutes to learn anything about mid-to-large scale fleet fights is not it.

of course not everybody fits smartbombs just in case they encounter a heavy missile user in small gang or solo situations because A) nobody uses heavy missiles in small gang or solo (or any) pvp situations and B) fitting reactively to something you aren't certain will be there "just in case" when it gimps the rest of your fit so hard would be ********. It's not the same as fitting ECCM in lowsec because at least in lowsec you're certain to find a falcon(s). None of that says firewalling isn't still a weakness of heavy missiles in large scale encounters, because it quite emphatically is.



Actually I have a smartbomb fit to my Golem right at this very moment

see i can bring up an edge case to deflect an argument too

but yeah smartbombs are fantastic for killing drones on a marauder and you have the capacity to comfortably fit one alongside a neut and a cyno, so I do. I guess I could also use it to near-totally neutralise a HML drake fleet but if I encounter one of those I'd be more concerned with working out how I'd gone back in time to 2011 and telling my past self not to give away my first character.

xaxaxa 6pytna yes one day railgun rascal wil returned to the zoo and hml/scortch overlord reign supreme

ishtar spels no match for strong CJIABA tactics

fozzie may live in a yurt XAXAXAXA

No heavy or sentry drones.

I think all ships aside from battlecruisers and battleships should be restricted to light and medium drones. No sentries and definitely no Geckos.

Drop the drone range bonus and hack the cpu down so they have to chose between range or damage.

I'd also nerf the capacitor slightly as it was left from a time when they were expected to fit guns, it's too stable.

Drop a mid to a low, force an armor tank.

Any combination of the above will work and will do no harm to the in your face brawler fits (which I quite like)

try loading higher dps ammo and putting down the crack, there is a reason tengus are flown with rails exclusively in fleet pvp and it's not because noone has heavies trained

not to mention even if what you said was true [it isn't] then you have to bare in mind that it is not possible to keep huiginns alive vs railgus and you end up using the weaponsystem that doesn't require stupid amounts of nursing to deal reasonable dps