Player Features and Ideas Discussion

rails are not broken, if they are OP it would be by a very small margin. Their lack of damage choice and tracking is their weakness.

heavies suck indeed, but only in comparison to how OP they were before, they still have obscene projection and reasonable damage.

Neither of these statements are true.

Medium rails hit too hard and heavy missiles are a complete joke.

I mean, I do more DPS fitting rails on hulls bonused for other weapons for gods sakes.

Heavies do apply damage exceedingly well you just need to team it up with a bonused painter

If turrets need to worry about tracking, the least missiles should have to deal with is that one or two people carry a TP. Not a massive bar FFS.

that's a key difference, heavies will apply a decent (I still wouldn't say they do it exceedingly well) portion of their abysmally low raw damage potential when paired with outside help. Railguns will benefit quite a significant amount when helped by webs to hit a moving target but it's hardly essential to them to hit it, and they certainly don't need a god damned EWAR module to apply full damage to a stationary ship of a similar sig to them, something that can't be said for heavy missile boats. HMLs are single worst weapon system in the game, even worse than medium autocannons.

The supposed pros of heavy missiles ; "guaranteed" damage at whatever level (assuming HMLs can catch up to the target), selectable damage type (when many of the hulls they can be used on will punish you for not using kinetic because they only have a hull bonus for scourge), good range (compared to competitors far inferior, are all outweighed by the cons : anaemic DPS even at best and poor application which is mitigated further if the target sneezes in any direction and doesn't just sit still, and excessive vulnerability to smartbombs (shared with cruises and arguably light missiles but more apparent on Cruise/HML boats).

HMLs are straight inferior at the moment to all of their competitors both on paper and in a realistic scenario and the playerbase is demonstrating their understanding of this by not ******* using them in pvp, but Fozzie still doggedly sticks to the stance that because they were utterly broken once back when every idiot had a HML drake they don't ever deserve to be viable, let alone competitive.



If missiles need to worry about explosion velocity and explosion radius, the least railguns should have to deal with is that one or two people carry a web. Not a massive bar FFS.

Delegation honestly hasn't been an issue for the Ishtar pretty much ever.
You're wrong about heavies doing "just fine". Even if you manage to apply their paper dps to a target, it is still lower than the alternatives, delayed and destroyable. Having to work harder for less is not balance.

lets be realistic

What? Thats just a straight up lie so okay.
Unbonused ship used (Typhoon).

Range:
http://puu.sh/d7Wji/99ea7590a3.png

Application:
http://puu.sh/d7Wl7/e7a79f690c.png
Target used was an Ishtar burning at 45 degrees.
This is WITHOUT any tracking mods for the railguns [which the missiles cannot have], and they are already better at every range over 15km.

Again, don't forget that missiles deal delayed, destroyable damage.

In the same vein that new ship is going to get zonked by any Ishtar that gives it a glance, why not take this opportunity to do the right thing?

TIL painters do nothing for guns.....

Medium rails SMOKE HML at sub 50km ranges. Anything passed that and travel time kills you. I've posted graphs of this before.