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A send message from the sleepers

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Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#21 - 2014-11-27 18:28:19 UTC
Deceiver's Echo wrote:

This is why I emphasize the name with italics. All recent communications from Hilen Tukoss are suspect. The identity of the individual(s) in question is of no importance; the fact that they are currently using the identity Hilen Tukoss is. As we have no other name of reference it is as good as any, non?

Yes and no, Actual Hilen Tukoss might still be alive. Somewhere.
Deceiver's Echo
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#22 - 2014-11-27 22:45:58 UTC
Jade Blackwind wrote:
I have an impression that whoever wrote this fake meant the Sleeper drones by "our children".

Which is ridiculous, isn't it?

My personal opinion is that it is a fake. However, an analysis performed with the initial conceit of "this is real" often helps illuminate discrepancies.

Why would the Sleepers speak of their drones as "children"? It makes no sense. I love my ship, but I wouldn't call it a "child" even if it had an A.I.

Another possibility is one that is more disconcerting, that the "Sleepers" we encounter in W-space are not in fact the "Sleepers" mentioned in the message. They could be a civilization using Sleeper drone technology. Jove affected by the Jovian Disease is a likely alternative. Which begs the question; if the Sleeper drones are this advanced, what could an older civilization with the same technology base be capable of?

This however would add a layer of complexity. It is highly improbable. It requires making further assumptions that are unwarranted. There is enough evidence to suggest this is a hoax and simple posturing. It is apparently an attempt to replicate the "Awakened Infomorph" incident from a few years ago.

Honestly I'd rather just drop analysis of this until it can be verified. I've sent a message to the individual known as "Anoikis Entity" in the hopes of verifying it's identity.

I do not expect a response. The question I asked was rather straightforward. I know enough to know the answer, and if it cannot answer this simple observation it is obviously not what it claims to be.
Aden Ordinii
Mars-Alpha Works
#23 - 2014-11-28 06:12:09 UTC
The Empires did some major damage to the realm of the sleepers, in the wake of the Tech 3 Destroyers dev. And Sleepers and rouge drones ARE conected to a degree. And why is Hedion Uni quiet about this all? The Amarr won the race for the Tech 3`s but to what cost? Did they awaken something? Dose this ,something, know who did it? Did the Amarrians doo more damage?

I think i spin up Battleship production, just in case.
Taraki Orani
BERSA Shipping Trading and Mining Co.
#24 - 2014-11-28 06:56:51 UTC
To be precise, we are getitng high amount of advanced recon cruiser orders from varios Minmatar and gallentean entities since the events occured.

There is a strong arms build-up the regions I can say that. But Amarr side, it is an unknown. They ate always in bed with some unknown powers in Jove/sleepers side. All their actions previously led to a severe isogen-5 cataclysms so, I wont be suprised if all these events caused by the Amarr arrogance at all...
Qvar Dar'Zanar
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#25 - 2014-11-28 15:36:31 UTC
Taraki Orani wrote:

There is a strong arms build-up the regions I can say that. But Amarr side, it is an unknown. They ate always in bed with some unknown powers in Jove/sleepers side. All their actions previously led to a severe isogen-5 cataclysms so, I wont be suprised if all these events caused by the Amarr arrogance at all...


What? if not for our fine Empress' altruism, you still would be harvesting sleepers by the thousands to put your dirty paws on those DUST implants. You're only to thank us if the sleepers don't kill us all and accept that it was a mistake, when they finally awake.
Deceiver's Echo
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#26 - 2014-11-28 16:23:11 UTC
I received an encoded response from the individual Anoikis Entity. Decoded text follows.

>>>CONNECTION REESTABILISHED
>>>Accessing Language Pack
>>>::ERROR File Corrupted
>>>PROCESSING ENQUIRY
We are old ones.
We are one of three, who were two against one.
Long time ago we were one with fifth major race of this cluster, Jove. We are "the lost ones".
We are masters of virtual reality, those you call Sleepers.
Further information is not avaiable here.
>>>CONNECTION CLOSED

Response included unverified information. At this point, barring a demonstration of the link between Anoikis Entity and Sleeper drones, the communications--however accurate--should be seen as a hoax.

So a question; call the bluff or ignore completely?
Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#27 - 2014-11-28 16:58:01 UTC
Deceiver's Echo wrote:
I received an encoded response from the individual Anoikis Entity. Decoded text follows.

>>>CONNECTION REESTABILISHED
>>>Accessing Language Pack
>>>::ERROR File Corrupted
>>>PROCESSING ENQUIRY
We are old ones.
We are one of three, who were two against one.
Long time ago we were one with fifth major race of this cluster, Jove. We are "the lost ones".
We are masters of virtual reality, those you call Sleepers.
Further information is not avaiable here.
>>>CONNECTION CLOSED

Response included unverified information. At this point, barring a demonstration of the link between Anoikis Entity and Sleeper drones, the communications--however accurate--should be seen as a hoax.

So a question; call the bluff or ignore completely?

This kid is at it again. If he or she were from SAK, i'd try my best to have him expelled. I suggest you check your spam filters already.
DutchGunner
Circle of Abyss
Wicked Angels.
#28 - 2014-11-28 18:18:51 UTC
Deceiver's Echo wrote:
I received an encoded response from the individual Anoikis Entity. Decoded text follows.

>>>CONNECTION REESTABILISHED
>>>Accessing Language Pack
>>>::ERROR File Corrupted
>>>PROCESSING ENQUIRY
We are old ones.
We are one of three, who were two against one.
Long time ago we were one with fifth major race of this cluster, Jove. We are "the lost ones".
We are masters of virtual reality, those you call Sleepers.
Further information is not avaiable here.
>>>CONNECTION CLOSED

Response included unverified information. At this point, barring a demonstration of the link between Anoikis Entity and Sleeper drones, the communications--however accurate--should be seen as a hoax.

So a question; call the bluff or ignore completely?



Thank you for sharing this. It is my opinion that we should take this very seriously and not consider this to be a hoax. We have a sudden communication with a warning and at the same time we have a solar anomaly that leaves scientists baffled. Something is going on and we should investigate. I prefer preparing and getting as ready as possible over being caught with the pants down. This communications actually provides insights and leads that we should check.
We know very little about the Jove and their history. Judging from this message it seems that there was a fall-out between 3 parties within the Jove. This raises a lot of questions:

- Which 3 parties are being referenced? Bloodlines? political parties? philosophical groups or minds? Military sides?
- To which party does this entity belong to? the one that stood alone or the other side?
- More information is available but not here? Where is here?
Frenjo Borkstar
Doomheim
#29 - 2014-11-28 18:30:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Frenjo Borkstar
I'm constantly remaining vigilant at site one, you may be able to detect me sitting under cloak if you look hard enough, I will continue constant scans of the system.

Has anybody even attempted to contact the Jove? If they even exist anymore... There must be a reason that the Nation's forces didn't use wormholes... And why an area of space where Jove don't go? It's all very curious... Sleeper messages?

Wait... The three parties? Takmahl, Talocan, and Yan Jung? Or... Are the Jove involved?

Could... Could they have overwhelmed the Jove? If so... We are all in danger.

Viriel,

Borkstar Laboratories,

The Borkstar Initiative.

Deceiver's Echo
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#30 - 2014-11-28 19:30:45 UTC
Frenjo Borkstar wrote:
Wait... The three parties? Takmahl, Talocan, and Yan Jung? Or... Are the Jove involved?

No. Sleepers, Talocan and Yan Jung. Evidence follows:

Quote:
We are old ones.
We are one of three, who were two against one.

Using available information this would refer to Talocan and Sleepers. Evidence that supports this is Sleeper ruins alongside Talocan ruins. Third society would have to be the Yan Jung based on their presence in the cluster long before the Takmahl.

Quote:
- Which 3 parties are being referenced? Bloodlines? political parties? philosophical groups or minds? Military sides?
- To which party does this entity belong to? the one that stood alone or the other side?
- More information is available but not here? Where is here?

First answered above.
Second is answered within the text. The inference is that this is from the Sleepers, or at least what we call the Sleepers.
Third question is not answerable given current information.

Further; you are ignoring the vital information provided.

>>"Long time ago we were one with fifth major race of this cluster, Jove. We are "the lost ones"."

Scientists have already theorized that the Sleepers are ancestors of the Jove. If this is from the Sleepers, it is confirmation of that theory.

I am not convinced that this communication is authentic. Unless other evidence can be provided I shall consider it as a hoax, though I will gladly attempt further communication.
Anslo
Scope Works
#31 - 2014-11-28 19:57:22 UTC
Oh for the love of the Ten people, IT'S FAKE. We got more pressing, credible **** to spend time on.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Frenjo Borkstar
Doomheim
#32 - 2014-11-28 21:44:54 UTC
Deceiver's Echo wrote:
Frenjo Borkstar wrote:
Wait... The three parties? Takmahl, Talocan, and Yan Jung? Or... Are the Jove involved?

No. Sleepers, Talocan and Yan Jung. Evidence follows:

Quote:
We are old ones.
We are one of three, who were two against one.

Using available information this would refer to Talocan and Sleepers. Evidence that supports this is Sleeper ruins alongside Talocan ruins. Third society would have to be the Yan Jung based on their presence in the cluster long before the Takmahl.

Quote:
- Which 3 parties are being referenced? Bloodlines? political parties? philosophical groups or minds? Military sides?
- To which party does this entity belong to? the one that stood alone or the other side?
- More information is available but not here? Where is here?

First answered above.
Second is answered within the text. The inference is that this is from the Sleepers, or at least what we call the Sleepers.
Third question is not answerable given current information.

Further; you are ignoring the vital information provided.

>>"Long time ago we were one with fifth major race of this cluster, Jove. We are "the lost ones"."

Scientists have already theorized that the Sleepers are ancestors of the Jove. If this is from the Sleepers, it is confirmation of that theory.

I am not convinced that this communication is authentic. Unless other evidence can be provided I shall consider it as a hoax, though I will gladly attempt further communication.


If this is true, then this must relate to the current events in Jove space, it could possibly threaten them somehow, so they need to come to us? Increasing reports of Site One being unsafe, which I haven't been able to confirm. I am currently searching for a CONCORD rep who I can talk to based on this information. If anybody has the name of a CONCORD rep, please hand it over.

Viriel,

Borkstar Laboratories,

The Borkstar Initiative.

Deceiver's Echo
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#33 - 2014-11-28 22:02:15 UTC
Quote:
If this is true, then this must relate to the current events in Jove space, it could possibly threaten them somehow, so they need to come to us?

That is an assumption that is not supported by facts.

Starting an analysis with an initial conceit does not mean that the conceit is fact. I believe this is a hoax. A well researched hoax.

What I think of the entire thing if the initial conceit is that this is fake:
-It would not make sense to make a threat to cease activity without naming the offending activity.
-The wording is atypical.
-The similarities to the Hilen Tukoss messages point to the final message as a basis for emulation. The final message has been suggested as being Hilen Tukoss, and not the previous messages which seemed more artificial in nature.
-If this "Sleeper" intended to speak to humanity, and commandeered a clone or hacked fluid router access, why then does it communicate in an encoded format?
-If the encoded format is a clue to the identity, why use the Arek'Jaalan list as it's means of contact (or whatever means was used prior)?

What this points to is a hoax in order to further the personal goals of an individual.

Quote:
Increasing reports of Site One being unsafe, which I haven't been able to confirm.

Site One is safe. I spent the last few days there and observed no hostile activity.
Unit XS365BT
Unit Commune
#34 - 2014-11-28 22:56:57 UTC
We would note that the message sent by the being 'Anoikis Entity' was received approximately 7 hours prior to the initial observation of the Bright Star.

If a falsehood, the timing of this message seems convenient.

We Return.

Unit XS365BT. Designated Communications Officer. Unit Commune.

Joanne Breau
ST and JB Industries
#35 - 2014-11-28 23:17:45 UTC
Unit XS365BT wrote:
We would note that the message sent by the being 'Anoikis Entity' was received approximately 7 hours prior to the initial observation of the Bright Star.

If a falsehood, the timing of this message seems convenient.

We Return.


Considering we were already seeing many signs of unusual Sleeper activity at the time, the hoaxer probably felt it'd be a good time to start his joke.
The second message is just as grammatically and semantically terrible as the first. I wouldn't say this hoax is even well researched as someone else said. None of these messages bring information that couldn't be gathered from general Learning Codexes, and some of it was discovered by the Arek'jaalan project. Just a kid with time on their hands
Deceiver's Echo
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#36 - 2014-11-28 23:21:26 UTC
Unit XS365BT wrote:
We would note that the message sent by the being 'Anoikis Entity' was received approximately 7 hours prior to the initial observation of the Bright Star.

If a falsehood, the timing of this message seems convenient.

We Return.

The timing is coincidental. It has no specific warnings. It does not speak of any lights appearing. It is a series of events that some are attempting to link together out of a need for there to be a connection.

It is within our very nature to look for connections and to attempt to make sense of the world through those connections. I understand the need to see a connection here, but in this case we find an example of someone who knows enough about the Capsuleer community to attempt this hoax, and knows enough about the Sleeper mysteries to bluff their way through an initial contact.

Unless I see more--for example, this individual showing up with a small fleet of Sleeper drones in tow in Yulai for me to personally fly out and see--I probably will not believe it.

If more people were skeptical of these kinds of things the cluster would be a much more relaxed and casual place, non?

For now I think my analysis of these communications is at an end. As much as I want there to be something more to this, I have been given nothing that indicates authenticity.

I think I'll go look for my paints now. I feel the need to paint. Make something pretty after this mess, non?
Frenjo Borkstar
Doomheim
#37 - 2014-11-29 00:02:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Frenjo Borkstar
Deceiver's Echo wrote:
[quote]
Site One is safe. I spent the last few days there and observed no hostile activity.


I confirm this also, I've been there several times, but I don't believe this is a falsehood, if it is, the timing's impeccable.

Also, Site One is based on Sleeper technology, I believe. The grammatical inaccuracies are likely if Sleeper's can't speak our language properly, when have they attempted to communicate before? They may have just learned how to speak our language, even if it is on a basic level.

I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss it.

And thank you for your corrections on the three species, my knowledge on history from those periods is limited.

Viriel,

Borkstar Laboratories,

The Borkstar Initiative.

Miko Jin
HELVEGEN
#38 - 2014-11-29 00:08:17 UTC
Frenjo Borkstar wrote:
Deceiver's Echo wrote:
[quote]
Site One is safe. I spent the last few days there and observed no hostile activity.


I confirm this also, I've been there several times, but I don't believe this is a falsehood, if it is, the timing's impeccable.




The Jove are restless of the sleepers lack of dominance and have awakened the AI.
Frenjo Borkstar
Doomheim
#39 - 2014-11-29 00:12:37 UTC
Miko Jin wrote:
Frenjo Borkstar wrote:
Deceiver's Echo wrote:
[quote]
Site One is safe. I spent the last few days there and observed no hostile activity.


I confirm this also, I've been there several times, but I don't believe this is a falsehood, if it is, the timing's impeccable.




The Jove are restless of the sleepers lack of dominance and have awakened the AI.


The Jove are doing nothing about it, and I still can't get in contact with my associate at the DED, but I'll keep trying. I've taken more images of the bright star, and they can be found here. It's definitely grown in size. This is deeply worrying still.

Viriel,

Borkstar Laboratories,

The Borkstar Initiative.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#40 - 2014-11-29 14:50:57 UTC
Gallenteans allows too much to their students.
Such letters could be considered a terrorism.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

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