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[Rhea] The Confessor (T3 Destroyer #1)

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Masao Kurata
Perkone
Caldari State
#21 - 2014-11-26 18:46:21 UTC
Hmm, no secondary skill requirement, just amarr destroyer V (which is admittedly a skill most people who didn't get it in the skill split are unlikely to have). Is this the start of a change in how you view the skill tree, lowering the barrier of entry to T2 and T3 ships?
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#22 - 2014-11-26 18:56:03 UTC
Masao Kurata wrote:
Hmm, no secondary skill requirement, just amarr destroyer V (which is admittedly a skill most people who didn't get it in the skill split are unlikely to have). Is this the start of a change in how you view the skill tree, lowering the barrier of entry to T2 and T3 ships?


They said there was a skill for it... maybe it's not in the reqs yet...

"The full market should now be seeded with the Confessor and the relevant skill book (Amarr Tactical Destroyers)"

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The Sengoku Legacy
#23 - 2014-11-26 18:57:47 UTC
Masao Kurata wrote:
Hmm, no secondary skill requirement, just amarr destroyer V (which is admittedly a skill most people who didn't get it in the skill split are unlikely to have). Is this the start of a change in how you view the skill tree, lowering the barrier of entry to T2 and T3 ships?


well really T3 shouldn't need any lv5 skills .. since they aren't specialist ships that being T2 and all

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using
Inir Ishtori
Perkone
Caldari State
#24 - 2014-11-26 19:38:42 UTC
Slot layout for Confessor shows for me as 7/3/5 with 6 gun slots in the fitting window as well on the data sheet from the market. Of those only 5 seems to fire while firing them as a whole group of six. The ship hull does display 7 hardpoints in total.

If the ship is supposed to feature 6 guns, i'd like to see two on each side of the front part and 4 on top/bottom of the main body for a better visual impression. Likewise, if only 5 guns are planned, an even gun distribution on the ship's body is highly welcome.

Other than that the ship looks mighty cool, very Ammarian and has nice high-tech feel to it. I feel that the speed configuration is not as impressive/distinctive as the sniper one, though.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#25 - 2014-11-26 19:44:22 UTC
CCP Lebowski wrote:

  • One bonus is missing from the traits window (95% reduction to Probe Launcher CPU needs)

    • ShockedOh my, that's interesting.

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    Daoden
    The Scope
    Gallente Federation
    #26 - 2014-11-26 19:47:01 UTC
    Cant wait for when the modes work, fairly impressed with the ship even without the modes.
    Vesan Terakol
    Trollgrin Sadface
    Dark Taboo
    #27 - 2014-11-26 19:49:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Vesan Terakol
    Inir Ishtori wrote:
    Slot layout for Confessor shows for me as 7/3/5 with 6 gun slots in the fitting window as well on the data sheet from the market. Of those only 5 seems to fire while firing them as a whole group of six. The ship hull does display 7 hardpoints in total.

    If the ship is supposed to feature 6 guns, i'd like to see two on each side of the front part and 4 on top/bottom of the main body for a better visual impression. Likewise, if only 5 guns are planned, an even gun distribution on the ship's body is highly welcome.

    Other than that the ship looks mighty cool, very Ammarian and has nice high-tech feel to it. I feel that the speed configuration is not as impressive/distinctive as the sniper one, though.



    The hull displays 8 hardpoint slots - 4 on the front rail and 4 more around the body. If you want to evenly distribute them, the front rail uses sots 3,4 and 5. The forth fail slot is inaccessible.

    So how about the modes? Is there gonna be a cool down for swapping them? I ran into a bug, where the (already swapping) message appeared after the animation was long done aster my first speed>sniper swap. That is a bug compared to the current no cooldown swapping, OFC.

    P.S. The animations are pretty damn neat, although i'm not sure what the box that protrudes from the back in speed mode is supposed to be.
    Masao Kurata
    Perkone
    Caldari State
    #28 - 2014-11-26 20:04:38 UTC
    War Kitten wrote:
    Masao Kurata wrote:
    Hmm, no secondary skill requirement, just amarr destroyer V (which is admittedly a skill most people who didn't get it in the skill split are unlikely to have). Is this the start of a change in how you view the skill tree, lowering the barrier of entry to T2 and T3 ships?


    They said there was a skill for it... maybe it's not in the reqs yet...

    "The full market should now be seeded with the Confessor and the relevant skill book (Amarr Tactical Destroyers)"


    Yes, there's a skill for it but unlike other T2 and T3 skills, the only requirement for training that skill is Amarr Destroyer V.
    War Kitten
    Panda McLegion
    #29 - 2014-11-26 20:06:42 UTC
    Masao Kurata wrote:
    War Kitten wrote:
    Masao Kurata wrote:
    Hmm, no secondary skill requirement, just amarr destroyer V (which is admittedly a skill most people who didn't get it in the skill split are unlikely to have). Is this the start of a change in how you view the skill tree, lowering the barrier of entry to T2 and T3 ships?


    They said there was a skill for it... maybe it's not in the reqs yet...

    "The full market should now be seeded with the Confessor and the relevant skill book (Amarr Tactical Destroyers)"


    Yes, there's a skill for it but unlike other T2 and T3 skills, the only requirement for training that skill is Amarr Destroyer V.


    Ah, I see what you meant by secondary skill requirements now... secondary skill requirements.

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    Aquila Sagitta
    Blue-Fire
    #30 - 2014-11-26 20:14:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Aquila Sagitta
    Is there going to be an option in the fitting window to change stance and see effects?

    or be able to change stance in station?

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    Vulfen
    Imperial Academy
    Amarr Empire
    #31 - 2014-11-26 20:17:22 UTC
    Loving the styling to this ship, i think the attributes are well balanced aswell.

    1 Question, is the resistance profile bugged or is that the intended level? (since the mode has a bug i thought id just ask to clarify)
    The T3 cruisers gain full T2 resistances but these seem to have only a 50% primary buff and 25% secondary buff to resistance trait.

    The Art Team have really outdone themselves. Cant wait to see what those geniuses come up with for the other races.

    Vulfen
    Imperial Academy
    Amarr Empire
    #32 - 2014-11-26 20:22:18 UTC
    Harvey James wrote:
    Masao Kurata wrote:
    Hmm, no secondary skill requirement, just amarr destroyer V (which is admittedly a skill most people who didn't get it in the skill split are unlikely to have). Is this the start of a change in how you view the skill tree, lowering the barrier of entry to T2 and T3 ships?


    well really T3 shouldn't need any lv5 skills .. since they aren't specialist ships that being T2 and all


    I think they have this right. It does require lvl 5 Destroyer but does not need any support lvl 5 skills.
    This follows the same line as the T3 cruisers, their only difference is you need the subsystem skills aswell by that's part of the "strategic" requirement.

    Personally i think they need to raise the timer that is there to swap between modes and add a skill that reduces that time, i believe the current skill requirements to fly this ship to perfection (skill wise) as being too low.
    Inir Ishtori
    Perkone
    Caldari State
    #33 - 2014-11-26 20:25:49 UTC
    Vesan Terakol wrote:

    The hull displays 8 hardpoint slots - 4 on the front rail and 4 more around the body. If you want to evenly distribute them, the front rail uses sots 3,4 and 5. The forth fail slot is inaccessible.

    [...]


    True, totally missed the 4th slot on the front. Still, it would be pretty neat if the gun slots were chosen in a way that the guns would assume a symmetrical position on their own without the need of further fiddling while filling the gun row up from left to the right in the fitting window.


    An idea to "pimp up" the visuals for the speed mode a little bit: maybe the box that extends from the top back of the ships when engaging this mode could light up in a glow similar to the one of the marauder ship parts? Being some sort of propulsion stabilization field device or similar.
    Aquila Sagitta
    Blue-Fire
    #34 - 2014-11-26 20:41:59 UTC
    I'd just like to say after playing around with these for a bit...

    THESE LOOK LIKE THEY WILL BE HELLA FUN!!!

    can't wait for the minnie one. Tried to make a kiting fit with the confessor and just too slow for my liking. Can't wait to try a brawly fit once modes bonus apply.

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    Aliventi
    Rattini Tribe
    Minmatar Fleet Alliance
    #35 - 2014-11-26 21:47:02 UTC
    CCP Lebowski wrote:

    Known/Reported Issues
    • Industry for the Confessor is incomplete.
    Any idea what the cost of this ship will be?
    Ned Thomas
    Sebiestor Tribe
    Minmatar Republic
    #36 - 2014-11-26 22:06:18 UTC
    CCP Lebowski wrote:

  • One bonus is missing from the traits window (95% reduction to Probe Launcher CPU needs)

    • Shocked What voodoo is this???
    Alexa Coates
    Center for Advanced Studies
    Gallente Federation
    #37 - 2014-11-26 22:27:30 UTC
    Get hype. This thing + Bowhead is going to change eve for a good long time.

    That's a Templar, an Amarr fighter used by carriers.
    Sabriz Adoudel
    Move along there is nothing here
    #38 - 2014-11-26 23:55:27 UTC
    Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
    CCP Lebowski wrote:

  • One bonus is missing from the traits window (95% reduction to Probe Launcher CPU needs)

    • ShockedOh my, that's interesting.


    Oh wow.

    I cannot wait to see this in action. A ship that can probe down prey and take it on.

    I look forward to fleeting up with five or ten of these in highsec mission hubs, all of us probing people down hunting for wartargets, and when someone finds one, scram the mark in the tankier mode while the others fly in in sniper mode.

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    Seymarr
    Nobody in Local
    Deepwater Hooligans
    #39 - 2014-11-27 00:11:16 UTC
    Another Issue for you, though it may be already in the works for a fix:

    At least some Acceleration Gates for exploration Combat sites are not flagged for Tactical Destroyers, despite admitting much heavier ships (HACs, Strategic Cruisers, etc.). Specifically, the highsec sites Desolate Site and Guristas Guerilla Grounds for certain do not admit them; those were just the two I've found thus far to test.

    Even though I'm kinda having to close my eyes and pretend on the mode bonuses thus far, this thing seems like it should be a blast to fly!
    Ralph King-Griffin
    New Eden Tech Support
    #40 - 2014-11-27 00:33:47 UTC
    Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
    Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
    CCP Lebowski wrote:

  • One bonus is missing from the traits window (95% reduction to Probe Launcher CPU needs)

    • ShockedOh my, that's interesting.


    Oh wow.

    I cannot wait to see this in action. A ship that can probe down prey and take it on.

    I look forward to fleeting up with five or ten of these in highsec mission hubs, all of us probing people down hunting for wartargets, and when someone finds one, scram the mark in the tankier mode while the others fly in in sniper mode.

    THINK ABOUT IT... it has a bonus to sig tanking...sig tanking AND probing....i foresee many many uses for thisBig smile*

    *there are no emotes with a grin big enough for this, lets get those bonuses appliedBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smile

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