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PvE missions determined by PvP?

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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#41 - 2014-11-26 16:12:45 UTC
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
Oh look, a wild Veers appears.

I seriously think there needs to be a cumulative 10,000 SP cost for each post in the forums using the word 'griefer'. Butthurt because you were booted from a public minecraft server or something?
Firstly, no flipper in their right mind is going to spend more than 10 minutes on a target, after that it's pretty obvious they aren't going to play ball.
Secondly, petitioning CCP to reset your mission due to outside human influence is arguably an abuse of the petition system. Inarguably it's a pansy move meriting nothing but contempt.
You don't see repeat customers because the amount of wrong you generate actually has mass. It's all our warp drives can do to escape the event horizon of your derpiness.


Typical griefer whining. Keep it up Omar, you just keep making yourself look even more pathetic. These clowns are looking to get shot at so they can blow up the mission runner. They could care less about the loot...it's all about goading the mission runner into aggression. Getting trolled by the mission runner into thinking they are about to win...and then losing.....is kinda painful. That's the way to beat these jokers.

And considering that my petition was GRANTED, it's unlikely to be considered "abuse." Keep grasping at straws...what's next? Will mission itself be considered abusive? Do feel free to petition the issue and let us know how it goes. Roll

I don't see repeat customers because Veers always wins and the mission griefers always lose. The cowards know to go after the helpless targets, not after the PvE elite.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2014-11-26 16:26:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Veers Belvar wrote:
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
Oh look, a wild Veers appears.

I seriously think there needs to be a cumulative 10,000 SP cost for each post in the forums using the word 'griefer'. Butthurt because you were booted from a public minecraft server or something?
Firstly, no flipper in their right mind is going to spend more than 10 minutes on a target, after that it's pretty obvious they aren't going to play ball.
Secondly, petitioning CCP to reset your mission due to outside human influence is arguably an abuse of the petition system. Inarguably it's a pansy move meriting nothing but contempt.
You don't see repeat customers because the amount of wrong you generate actually has mass. It's all our warp drives can do to escape the event horizon of your derpiness.


Typical griefer whining. Keep it up Omar, you just keep making yourself look even more pathetic. These clowns are looking to get shot at so they can blow up the mission runner. They could care less about the loot...it's all about goading the mission runner into aggression. Getting trolled by the mission runner into thinking they are about to win...and then losing.....is kinda painful. That's the way to beat these jokers.

And considering that my petition was GRANTED, it's unlikely to be considered "abuse." Keep grasping at straws...what's next? Will mission itself be considered abusive? Do feel free to petition the issue and let us know how it goes. Roll

I don't see repeat customers because Veers always wins and the mission griefers always lose. The cowards know to go after the helpless targets, not after the PvE elite.


A lot of EVE is painful. Get used to it.

Also, if this was griefing, it wouldn't be allowed. Griefing in the easy kiddy games you're used to is not griefing in EVE.

For the record, 'PVE' and 'Elite' don't work in a sentence together.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#43 - 2014-11-26 16:34:18 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:


A lot of EVE is painful. Get used to it.

Also, if this was griefing, it wouldn't be allowed. Griefing in the easy kiddy games you're used to is not griefing in EVE.

For the record, 'PVE' and 'Elite' don't work in a sentence together.


CCP doesn't punish every instance of grief play (see suicide ganking for tears). The fact is that by trolling these guys into thinking you will aggress them, and not doing so, you frustrate them and confound their gameplay. That is how an elite PvE player deals with them - not just by refusing to engage, but by wasting their time and irritating them in the process.
Revis Owen
Krigmakt Elite
Safety.
#44 - 2014-11-26 16:49:49 UTC
Redus Taw wrote:
why in a PvE mission did I lose the mission because of a player and not the environment?


Because EvE is single shard, undock is consent to PvP, and "be the villain" is a CCP-endorsed in-game career.

All of which you should know if you've been around long enough to be running level 2's.

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#45 - 2014-11-26 16:59:19 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:


A lot of EVE is painful. Get used to it.

Also, if this was griefing, it wouldn't be allowed. Griefing in the easy kiddy games you're used to is not griefing in EVE.

For the record, 'PVE' and 'Elite' don't work in a sentence together.


CCP doesn't punish every instance of grief play (see suicide ganking for tears). The fact is that by trolling these guys into thinking you will aggress them, and not doing so, you frustrate them and confound their gameplay. That is how an elite PvE player deals with them - not just by refusing to engage, but by wasting their time and irritating them in the process.

Kinda like you do on the forums... The ssolution is the same btw.

Murderers of Negotiable Motivations

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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#46 - 2014-11-26 19:46:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Veers Belvar
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:


A lot of EVE is painful. Get used to it.

Also, if this was griefing, it wouldn't be allowed. Griefing in the easy kiddy games you're used to is not griefing in EVE.

For the record, 'PVE' and 'Elite' don't work in a sentence together.


CCP doesn't punish every instance of grief play (see suicide ganking for tears). The fact is that by trolling these guys into thinking you will aggress them, and not doing so, you frustrate them and confound their gameplay. That is how an elite PvE player deals with them - not just by refusing to engage, but by wasting their time and irritating them in the process.

Kinda like you do on the forums... The ssolution is the same btw.


Sounds good Ralphie...now act on your own advice...and get your friends to follow...instead of making 35 page troll bounty threads about me.
Sugar Smacks
Khanid Royal Navy
Khanid.
#47 - 2014-11-26 19:53:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Sugar Smacks
First off this is a common tactic by Vets who like to have an excuse to pick on people smaller than them.
No this is not always legal, lets explain this.
The sheer fact he picked a level 2 mission makes me think you were not that far from a newbie system.

There are rules for this behavior in newbie systems, bannable ones, petition dont ask if you should, do it.

Think about it, missions range from levels 1 - 4 and they are picking on someone in a level 2, and odds are this player will be over a year old, i guarantee it.

If you read the terms of service you will see this behavior listed, i recommend you mission close to the systems listed, and when someone does this too you page.
There is no good excuse to this behavior and you shouldn't feel the need to defend it. Just another vet with no balls. No balls at all.

Nothing will change behaviors like someone getting banned will.
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#48 - 2014-11-26 20:02:17 UTC
Sugar Smacks wrote:
The sheer fact he picked a level 2 mission makes me think you were not that far from a newbie system.

1. How was the thief to know it was an L2 mission?
2. What ship was OP flying?
3. What system was OP in at the time?

Given that OP is three months old and was in high-sec he could have been flying pretty much anything. When you scan someone down to invade their mission you have no idea who you're dealing with. I do know, however, that scanning down T1 cruisers to steal their mission loot probably isn't going to be terribly lucrative, so my money is on OP was flying a BC and the thief probably thought they would get a decent KM.

A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.
Sugar Smacks
Khanid Royal Navy
Khanid.
#49 - 2014-11-26 20:06:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Sugar Smacks
Karl Hobb wrote:
Sugar Smacks wrote:
The sheer fact he picked a level 2 mission makes me think you were not that far from a newbie system.

1. How was the thief to know it was an L2 mission?
2. What ship was OP flying?
3. What system was OP in at the time?

Given that OP is three months old and was in high-sec he could have been flying pretty much anything. When you scan someone down to invade their mission you have no idea who you're dealing with. I do know, however, that scanning down T1 cruisers to steal their mission loot probably isn't going to be terribly lucrative, so my money is on OP was flying a BC and the thief probably thought they would get a decent KM.


1. the ship required to enter the gate.
2. obviously a cruiser tops.
3. this is the REAL question as it negates all other things, and makes it either illegal or not.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#50 - 2014-11-26 20:09:06 UTC
Sugar Smacks wrote:
First off this is a common tactic by Vets who like to have an excuse to pick on people smaller than them.
No this is not always legal, lets explain this.
The sheer fact he picked a level 2 mission makes me think you were not that far from a newbie system.

There are rules for this behavior in newbie systems, bannable ones, petition dont ask if you should, do it.

Think about it, missions range from levels 1 - 4 and they are picking on someone in a level 2, and odds are this player will be over a year old, i guarantee it.

If you read the terms of service you will see this behavior listed, i recommend you mission close to the systems listed, and when someone does this too you page.
There is no good excuse to this behavior and you shouldn't feel the need to defend it. Just another vet with no balls. No balls at all.

Nothing will change behaviors like someone getting banned will.


Only rarely do I get to read something in which every sentence is wrong.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#51 - 2014-11-26 20:11:20 UTC
Sugar Smacks wrote:
Karl Hobb wrote:
Sugar Smacks wrote:
The sheer fact he picked a level 2 mission makes me think you were not that far from a newbie system.

1. How was the thief to know it was an L2 mission?
2. What ship was OP flying?
3. What system was OP in at the time?

Given that OP is three months old and was in high-sec he could have been flying pretty much anything. When you scan someone down to invade their mission you have no idea who you're dealing with. I do know, however, that scanning down T1 cruisers to steal their mission loot probably isn't going to be terribly lucrative, so my money is on OP was flying a BC and the thief probably thought they would get a decent KM.


1. the ship required to enter the gate.
2. obviously a cruiser tops.
3. this is the REAL question as it negates all other things, and makes it either illegal or not.

Not all missions are gated,
there are level 1-4 agents in lowsec,
not, why would it be.

Murderers of Negotiable Motivations

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Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#52 - 2014-11-26 20:17:15 UTC
Sugar Smacks wrote:
Karl Hobb wrote:
2. What ship was OP flying?
2. obviously a cruiser tops.
Explain.

A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.
Cancel Align NOW
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#53 - 2014-11-26 20:27:20 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
OP - welcome to mission griefers. A minor nuisance, best ignored. Do not shoot on them or engage them. Just petition CCP to reset the mission for you - they are more than happy to do so. Problem solved, and content denied.


Translation "run to mommy for help instead of getting better at the game and learning how to protect your mission objective on your own"

Typical Veers post.


Translation - keep playing the game the way I enjoy it, and deny content to griefers, incentivizing them to find something else to do. Incidentally, my preferred approach is to open a convo with them, threaten to shoot them unless they return the loot, which gets them all excited, and then proceed to troll them for the next 10 minuted without shooting. That is incredibly frustrating for these guys and is probably the reason why I don't see any repeat customers. Lol


You see plenty of repeat customers.
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#54 - 2014-11-26 20:30:49 UTC
Cancel Align NOW wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
OP - welcome to mission griefers. A minor nuisance, best ignored. Do not shoot on them or engage them. Just petition CCP to reset the mission for you - they are more than happy to do so. Problem solved, and content denied.


Translation "run to mommy for help instead of getting better at the game and learning how to protect your mission objective on your own"

Typical Veers post.


Translation - keep playing the game the way I enjoy it, and deny content to griefers, incentivizing them to find something else to do. Incidentally, my preferred approach is to open a convo with them, threaten to shoot them unless they return the loot, which gets them all excited, and then proceed to troll them for the next 10 minuted without shooting. That is incredibly frustrating for these guys and is probably the reason why I don't see any repeat customers. Lol


You see plenty of repeat customers.


No I don't - the mission griefers bother me once, fail to get shot at, and move on. They don't come back for doubles. When you just ignore their scam...they give up.
Cancel Align NOW
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#55 - 2014-11-26 20:32:24 UTC
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Cancel Align NOW wrote:
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Cancel Align NOW wrote:
Stealing is fine. Stealing off a two month old player is not fine. Petition it. Accept the result of the petition either way and learn from the situation.

So how long has someone to play the game until they are allowed to experience the actual setting of the game which is a multiplayer sandbox?


That depends on a number of variables that CCP can determine. I feel if player is still doing level 2 missions after two months and hasn't figured out that his pve is not on its own little server away from every one else then that player is struggling with :Eve Online: and does not deserve sand kicked in his/her face.

I get the feeling from the wording of the OP that this player is not actually a 2 month old player though. SO my suggestion is petition it and take it on the chin.

I am not sure why you think isolating new players for a few months will help them to understand that they are not isolated. It would probably have the completely opposite effect out of very obvious reasons.


I did not explain myself very well there - sorry.

A player who takes longer than two months to figure out that undocking has risk and that Eve is a true MMO and not a Solo game where one can chat with others needs to find friends - not foes.
Cancel Align NOW
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#56 - 2014-11-26 20:33:18 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Cancel Align NOW wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
OP - welcome to mission griefers. A minor nuisance, best ignored. Do not shoot on them or engage them. Just petition CCP to reset the mission for you - they are more than happy to do so. Problem solved, and content denied.


Translation "run to mommy for help instead of getting better at the game and learning how to protect your mission objective on your own"

Typical Veers post.


Translation - keep playing the game the way I enjoy it, and deny content to griefers, incentivizing them to find something else to do. Incidentally, my preferred approach is to open a convo with them, threaten to shoot them unless they return the loot, which gets them all excited, and then proceed to troll them for the next 10 minuted without shooting. That is incredibly frustrating for these guys and is probably the reason why I don't see any repeat customers. Lol


You see plenty of repeat customers.


No I don't - the mission griefers bother me once, fail to get shot at, and move on. They don't come back for doubles. When you just ignore their scam...they give up.


I can assure you. You HAVE had repeat customers. Fact.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#57 - 2014-11-26 20:53:35 UTC
Cancel Align NOW wrote:
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Cancel Align NOW wrote:
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Cancel Align NOW wrote:
Stealing is fine. Stealing off a two month old player is not fine. Petition it. Accept the result of the petition either way and learn from the situation.

So how long has someone to play the game until they are allowed to experience the actual setting of the game which is a multiplayer sandbox?


That depends on a number of variables that CCP can determine. I feel if player is still doing level 2 missions after two months and hasn't figured out that his pve is not on its own little server away from every one else then that player is struggling with :Eve Online: and does not deserve sand kicked in his/her face.

I get the feeling from the wording of the OP that this player is not actually a 2 month old player though. SO my suggestion is petition it and take it on the chin.

I am not sure why you think isolating new players for a few months will help them to understand that they are not isolated. It would probably have the completely opposite effect out of very obvious reasons.


I did not explain myself very well there - sorry.

A player who takes longer than two months to figure out that undocking has risk and that Eve is a true MMO and not a Solo game where one can chat with others needs to find friends - not foes.

True to a point but shooting someone in the face is a great way to break the icePirate.
we have recruited a fair few people who found themselves getting a kill it forward mail.

But you certainly have a point, some people struggle with eve and sometimes it pays to spend the time with them but as iv said before, shooting them in the face first is a great way to tell if their worth your time.

Murderers of Negotiable Motivations

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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#58 - 2014-11-26 21:25:16 UTC
Cancel Align NOW wrote:


I can assure you. You HAVE had repeat customers. Fact.


proof?
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#59 - 2014-11-26 21:30:56 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Cancel Align NOW wrote:


I can assure you. You HAVE had repeat customers. Fact.


proof?

Ok, hands up, who wants to blow their alts...yeah....didn't think so.

Murderers of Negotiable Motivations

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Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#60 - 2014-11-26 21:32:18 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
who wants to blow their alts

Shocked

A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.