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Hal Morsh
Doomheim
#1 - 2014-11-26 01:13:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Hal Morsh
I was thinking about plasma and whatnot while working.. Because I use a plasma torch. Anyways hybrid weapons in eve use containment shells with plasma inside. The blasters cycle this into a bolt and shoot it, the containment field dissipates and that essentially makes blasters a plasma shotgun.

Now railguns are said to fire the shell directly, while I used to think it fired the shell which shattered on impact I realized not all rail guns had a barrel, more like a blue material energy shoots out of which convinces me it's just firing the contents of the shell yet again at high velocities.

The problem I have with guns in eve is usage of ammo, projectile weapons only use 1 shell per cycle of machine guns, same with weapons having two barrels, on top of the fact artillary is apparently rocket guided, where do the rockets come from?

The medium dual 250mm railguns are using twin small guns but for convenience it uses medium charges. The weapons all list they use 1 charge per cycle, so maybe CCP intended to use multiple shells for the autocanons. It sure looks like they fire a few each cycle. I don't think if it would be hard to change.


Rockets also seem to be the only weapon with a reload animation.

Oh, I perfectly understand, Hal Morsh — a mission like this requires courage, skill, and heroism… qualities you are clearly lacking. Have you forgotten you're one of the bloody immortals!?
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#2 - 2014-11-26 01:16:00 UTC

Farkin' magnets, how do they work?


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Paranoid Loyd
#3 - 2014-11-26 01:17:50 UTC
Cool story bro, was there a point to your post?

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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#4 - 2014-11-26 01:18:25 UTC
I just assume all projectile weapons come in a multi-morph package that gets assemble into one or more rounds depending on the turrets they are planned to be fired from. Considering Minmatar, they probably just come as piles of scrap they shovel into the chamber and hope it explodes into the right direction.

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Eldwinn
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#5 - 2014-11-26 01:18:31 UTC
Hal Morsh
Doomheim
#6 - 2014-11-26 01:23:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Hal Morsh
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Cool story bro, was there a point to your post?



I intended for it to be a much longer post asking specific questions and the technologies related to real technologies we have now, but then I lost interest and just posted a bunch about gun stuff.

One other topic is asking how shields are supposed to work. I couldn't figure out much more than the upgraded shields on the normandy in mass effect rotate. It's dangerous to the ship inside if some shield emitters go out, but reverts to a static shield if such a thing happens. How that's supposed to work is basically if you had your own personal ninja batting away projectiles.

Spinning shields bat away projectiles. I unno.

Interesting to note the amarr had a superweapon where enemy ships would be crushed by their own shields, minmatar and rouge drones put an end to that one though.


Abrazzar wrote:
I just assume all projectile weapons come in a multi-morph package that gets assemble into one or more rounds depending on the turrets they are planned to be fired from. Considering Minmatar, they probably just come as piles of scrap they shovel into the chamber and hope it explodes into the right direction.



But what about the plasma? Do hybrid weapons use the fourth state of matter plasma? As in really friking hot? Or does it consider it some weird substance like other games sometimes do. I play a strategy game where it's a resource made from oil and chemicals, and is just really dangerous and good for making weapons.

Oh, I perfectly understand, Hal Morsh — a mission like this requires courage, skill, and heroism… qualities you are clearly lacking. Have you forgotten you're one of the bloody immortals!?
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#7 - 2014-11-26 01:29:42 UTC
Magic.

You put magic in one end, do some things, and then magic comes out the other end. Its how everything works in Eve.



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Dani Dusette
Division 13
#8 - 2014-11-26 01:30:55 UTC
Try EVE Fiction forum.

You'll find lore-minded people often discussing technicalities there and occasional Dev responses.

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45thtiger 0109
Pan-Intergalatic Business Community
#9 - 2014-11-26 01:37:57 UTC
Hal Morsh wrote:
I was thinking about plasma and whatnot while working.. Because I use a plasma torch. Anyways hybrid weapons in eve use containment shells with plasma inside. The blasters cycle this into a bolt and shoot it, the containment field dissipates and that essentially makes blasters a plasma shotgun.

Now railguns are said to fire the shell directly, while I used to think it fired the shell which shattered on impact I realized not all rail guns had a barrel, more like a blue material energy shoots out of which convinces me it's just firing the contents of the shell yet again at high velocities.

The problem I have with guns in eve is usage of ammo, projectile weapons only use 1 shell per cycle of machine guns, same with weapons having two barrels, on top of the fact artillary is apparently rocket guided, where do the rockets come from?

The medium dual 250mm railguns are using twin small guns but for convenience it uses medium charges. The weapons all list they use 1 charge per cycle, so maybe CCP intended to use multiple shells for the autocanons. It sure looks like they fire a few each cycle. I don't think if it would be hard to change.


Rockets also seem to be the only weapon with a reload animation.


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Hal Morsh
Doomheim
#10 - 2014-11-26 01:41:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Hal Morsh
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Magic.

You put magic in one end, do some things, and then magic comes out the other end. Its how everything works in Eve.






Oh then there is ore compression and refining. The sizes and how THAT works. I would like to know how that works... Minerals are far bigger than the compressed ore they come from.

Oh, I perfectly understand, Hal Morsh — a mission like this requires courage, skill, and heroism… qualities you are clearly lacking. Have you forgotten you're one of the bloody immortals!?
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#11 - 2014-11-26 01:42:25 UTC
Shields: I think they are a kind of chaff suspended in a flowing magnetic field that uses patterns, harmonics and refractions to disperse and deflect incoming projectiles/plasma/lasers.

Hybrids: Blasters use 4 state plasma while railguns shoot the whole charge including the suspended ions in the core as kind of impact warhead.

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Hal Morsh
Doomheim
#12 - 2014-11-26 01:45:27 UTC
Abrazzar wrote:
Shields: I think they are a kind of chaff suspended in a flowing magnetic field that uses patterns, harmonics and refractions to disperse and deflect incoming projectiles/plasma/lasers.

Hybrids: Blasters use 4 state plasma while railguns shoot the whole charge including the suspended ions in the core as kind of impact warhead.



Problem with the railguns is that like I said, a lot of the railguns don't have barrels, the shot just comes out of the tips, or blue material. One of the large railguns doesn't even have the common blue material. So how would anything but the contents be shot?

Oh, I perfectly understand, Hal Morsh — a mission like this requires courage, skill, and heroism… qualities you are clearly lacking. Have you forgotten you're one of the bloody immortals!?
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#13 - 2014-11-26 01:49:31 UTC
Hal Morsh wrote:
Problem with the railguns is that like I said, a lot of the railguns don't have barrels, the shot just comes out of the tips, or blue material. One of the large railguns doesn't even have the common blue material. So how would anything but the contents be shot?

A railgun uses a magnetic field to accelerate the charge, so no need for a barrel.

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Hal Morsh
Doomheim
#14 - 2014-11-26 01:52:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Hal Morsh
Abrazzar wrote:
Hal Morsh wrote:
Problem with the railguns is that like I said, a lot of the railguns don't have barrels, the shot just comes out of the tips, or blue material. One of the large railguns doesn't even have the common blue material. So how would anything but the contents be shot?

A railgun uses a magnetic field to accelerate the charge, so no need for a barrel.



I know that, but the charge has to eject somewhere. It just poofs out of solid objects unfortunately, and CCP made sure the effects were aligned with the barrels on guns, or rails in this case. Gotta look at the railgun models to see.

I went through the store at one point just clicking the images to see what they looked like.

Some have barrels.
http://jestertrek.com/eve/blog/2012/250mm-railguns.png


Some do not.
http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online/graphics/ids/256/11251.jpg

Oh, I perfectly understand, Hal Morsh — a mission like this requires courage, skill, and heroism… qualities you are clearly lacking. Have you forgotten you're one of the bloody immortals!?
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#15 - 2014-11-26 01:59:46 UTC
Hal Morsh wrote:
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Magic.

You put magic in one end, do some things, and then magic comes out the other end. Its how everything works in Eve.






Oh then there is ore compression and refining. The sizes and how THAT works. I would like to know how that works... Minerals are far bigger than the compressed ore they come from.


Magic. Hal, we covered this already.

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Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#16 - 2014-11-26 02:04:54 UTC
The problem is that you can only see the external part of the railgun. What you don't see is the unicorn backed up to the weapon port and gorging itself on baked beans.

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Ned Thomas
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2014-11-26 02:12:52 UTC
Take a neon light tube and launch it from a slingshot.

Congratulations. You just fired a plasma round.
Harrison Tato
Yamato Holdings
#18 - 2014-11-26 02:27:18 UTC
I just don't want to be the guy who get the **** detail sitting in a hanger with a bathtub full of CLP and a bunch of old bed spreads cleaning 425mm Autocannons.
Ulfric Aideran
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2014-11-26 02:29:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Ulfric Aideran
Hal Morsh wrote:
Problem with the railguns is that like I said, a lot of the railguns don't have barrels, the shot just comes out of the tips, or blue material. One of the large railguns doesn't even have the common blue material. So how would anything but the contents be shot?


The colored beam could be incandescence from the casing since it would heat up from all that current flowing through. More likely, though, it's a visual effect the devs came up with so that it could be easily recognized. Still, the models and animations are in need of an update. Some of them make me facepalm.
Wendrika Hydreiga
#20 - 2014-11-26 02:39:21 UTC
Gauss Riffles!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coilgun

So this guy named Gauss figured out the basic principle of hurling metal objects at high speed with magnets! EVE, being the science fiction universe we all know and love, uses Gauss Cannons as the Caldari and Gallente sub-racial weapons! Only instead of coils, we use rails! Refer to Dust 514 for more details on actual guns!

The more you know!
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