EVE General Discussion

As for ccp not responding, that's their memo. Ever since I started in 07. Perhaps ccp should consider outsourcing public relations to a automatic call center?

kinda agreeing with that. not one account, though. one account logged in at a time.

no really. the problem is that multiple clients are logged in, running amok. it's the only way to really solve this issue.

not saying I'd like it. I'm just saying that's the real solution. I'd say the real problem is the ambiguity of what multiple clients are allowed to do.

I've only ever used one account, and I've done quite well for myself in the game, and enjoy it immensely on a daily basis. Being able to log in with multiple clients though is not something I take issue with, most notably because it is not demonstrably harmful to the game.

+1 for the admission.

only allowing one client at a time is still fairly OP. If I had to do it with four clients, I would have a capital pilot, a subcap pilot, and a utility scout / cyno alt type character on each one. And they would be staged around EVE as a workaround to jump cloning. So if I have copies of the same skillsheet, I can log off of one, and log into another... potentially jumping from a fight in the north to a fight in the south.

In an ideal EVE, players with logistics routes, or industry chains would work with other players and share the profit. But that would require EVE and CCP backing wayyyy up to before they welcomed multiboxing to go unchecked.

Whether you want to look at it from industry or pvp standpoints, multiboxing and 'having a friend' does scale with more characters. It's not always the same, in different cases, but it's there.

For starters, warfare links and mining boosts. With just one character, it does nothing. But you start adding characters under those boosters, and they gain stats and kill things faster, or harvest things faster. Then add a hauler, or a noctis, and to both those situations, the player who uses multiple characters at the same time has an advantage.

There are also situations that are hard-coded into the game mechanics, where you -need- more than one character. PVE, mostly. Cap chains and a triforce of logi, for one. And then there's things like Incursions where the payout scales for a certain number of characters completing it.

Ignore the Nightmare incursion fleets you're familiar with, where one person controls 10 of them at the same time. (and the ISBoxer interfaces that are -obviously- a perversion of the client as it was meant to be seen. and used) Ignore them because Incursions are still possible without ISBoxer. Remove ISBoxer from the picture completely. There is still the issue of multiboxing as a workaround to game mechanics, as an advantage over using just one character at a time.

If I'm nice about it, I would say CCP just didn't see this coming. I know -I- have taken multiboxing for granted since I started, within a few months of joining this game. I really haven't sat down to look at the game from a uniboxer POV until now.

And yeah, it's obvious by my naming convention for my characters that I meant for people to know what I was up to. Perhaps I planned on being flippant about it from the beginning. I even said some inflammatory things in this thread, like the picture I posted of my setup. But maybe... multiboxing is a problem.

When you start to consider the things that would change as a result of being limited to one client, yeah, CCP and players will take a hit. It would be the end of the gravy train for both parties. After all, I didn't continue subbing multiple accounts because it -wasn't- working. CCP didn't promote multiboxing because it lost money.

I've argued for both increasing multiboxer support and removing it completely. I feel strongly about both options, and I think they would both provide a more complete solution than this announcement.

I hope players spend time considering both scenarios: more in-client multiboxing support, or no multiboxing at all.

Ha. oh yeah. and what's funny about cynos is they stay lit when you log. it's possible to cyno yourself with 1 account.

wait. that's not right. they drop fleet don't they.

You don't have to have multiple accounts. Just like you don't have to get a titan, or enter a WH, or challenge oneself to PVP with frigates only. People acquire multiple characters because they want to do more/different things. Some people get a new toon and send it into a wormhole to try something they've never done before to challenge themself.

We are challenging ourselves to multitask. We are testing the limits of our ability to split our attention amongst multiple windows and characters.

e: To paraphrase JFK: "We choose to multibox and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard."

How much more would you be prepared to pay for every item on the market.
How much time would you put into the game with less than half its current population. Having to go 40 or 50 jumps just to find someone to pvp with.

No-one says you "Have" to get multiple accounts but without those who have them, TQ would be a very quiet lonely place.

And if you and the other guy who argued with me on this were paying attention, you would have noted that I have no problem, explicit or implicit, with multiboxing or people with multiple accounts. None at all. That is not what this is about, it's how one manages those accounts that is the issue here.

If you fly a 20b providence around in hisec, you will die. Doesn't matter if it's a boxer or a corp like VENGA. Also, stop hiring noobs in your gank fleet.