EVE General Discussion

What a thread.

1 player using ISBox or some other technology gives 1 command input to multiple characters at the same time. This is what is explicitly no longer allowed and is a bannable offence.

That's pretty clear and concise. No reason for confusion there.

This is not the same as:

1 player alt-tabs between characters on the same PC giving the same command repeatedly but manually each time. OK. Makes it hard to control more than a few characters at any given time. Takes longer to get all the characters acting. Perfectly legal, no automation or multiplexing of the commands there. Hell, you could even use a KVM switch to go from one computer to the next...same deal. Because in each instance you have to input the command to each character manually.

It is also not the same as:

20 players controlling one character each working together in a fleet doing something. That's called teamwork...or multiplayer...or something...

But apparently a lot of the people playing this game are not capable of differentiating. That baffles me.

Maybe a lot of people are actually just mad over this change and are going all emo rage claiming they are either a) going to quit or b) going to flaunt the rule deliberately. When the rule gets enforced they will rage and gnash their teeth and rant against the injustice of it all.

Seriously, this is a video game. This change has obviously been made for a reason. The vast majority of feedback suggests for good reason. CCP and many players obviously expect it to improve the overall health of the game. So if this honestly ruins the game for you and renders you unable to play it and enjoy it...go do something else that makes you happy!

I agree to you the change was made for a reason but it doesnt change a thing for multiboxers.
Example what one multiboxer linked me the last time i confronted him whit that : http://isboxer.com/wiki/Round-robin
Only meaning that they have an delay by now ? Im not even sure why miners whit less then 10 boxes are complaining becuase only the undock and the first actiavation of the lasers will be multicastet the rest will be done whit VIdeo FX.

Show me where in the definition of Input Automation it mentions "multiple instances"

Oh that's right it doesn't...

Hence the problem.

I couldn't give a damn about ISBoxer but I would still like to know if using keyboard / mouse software to map multiple keyboard commands to 1 key is still allowed.

I even raised a petition asking for clarification and the reply I got was basically, if you are unsure, stop.

I do not see why it is so difficult to give a simple yes and no to a easy question.

So control your three accounts without using input multiplexing a la ISBoxer. Problem solved, you are not risking a ban, all is well.

It seems that so many people can't fathom that this rule isn't about multiboxing, it isn't about having multiple accounts. It is simply about using an out-of-game tool to make it possible for one player to replicate one command input to multiple accounts.

Why is this so hard for people to understand?

Why, in a multiplayer game that is at it's heart about PVP, should one player be able to fly 5 or 10 or 20 spaceships at once? That doesn't even make sense, frankly. All these ludicrous arguments based on PLEX price or ISK grinding or "I have no friends" are pretty much irrelevant.

Trying to claim that input multiplexing via ISBox or whatever is actually worse or more difficult than manually controlling more than one ship or offers no advantage...well, that is such obvious nonsense it doesn't even warrant a response.

Yep, one player ganking a freighter with a dozen Catalysts is no longer workable. One player bombing that enemy fleet with 20 bombers is also right out. Same goes for one player camping a gate with 15 Tornados. You will have to go recruit some friends to help if you want to do that.

What I'm trying to figure out is...why were all of you who claim that ISBoxer gives such a huge advantage not using it? It was explicitly allowed by CCP and costs less than a single EVE subscription.

So if it was so powerful in your minds...why weren't you using it?

For one, I'm not some silly whelp that thinks I need multiple accounts to enjoy a video game. For another, EVE isn't a second job so I'm not gonna treat it like one by working 8 hours a week multiboxing mining barges just to plex my PVP account because I'm not a cheap schlub that can't afford the very low cost of a subscription.

For another, if I'm pvp'ing against one person, why does that one person get to fight me with multiple ships using a single command relayed across all of them with a script? I don't care if he wants to try to multibox a logi or two, but I'll be damned if I'll be beat by some script-kiddie with 20 stealth bombers all slaved to one keypress.

yeah then feel free to use drones and stop crying. I'm fine with drones, they are part of the game, if I wasnt I would complain by myself in forums and you could come flame my thread. But I don't.

And if he's doing it all manually, and he considers me scary enough to have to use so much firepower, then kudos for him.

I'm allowed to do a lot of things that I choose not to, and I'm not gimping myself at all. Challenging oneself =/= gimping oneself. As a result of challenging myself, I have grown stronger and smarter as a PVP'er. I guarantee you anyone using multiple accounts for PVP would be incapable of doing any good with only one of them. Hell I don't even use scouts unless I've got friends around.

CCP encourages multiboxing because they make more money from it. Players then dupe themselves into thinking they need to multibox to 'do well' in the game. I'm evidence that you only need the one to enjoy it AND do well.

Heil Sansha. Whelp.

Good for you. Now learn to do it manually, or not at all.