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Quarantine
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Pandemic Legion
#1521 - 2014-11-27 10:46:52 UTC
I'm not much of a forum poster but this change of policy affects me so heavily I have to say something about it. I'm part of a small corp of 8 real world people who can make a difference in the game thanks to our ability to field several toons at the same time. Our real life work involves shift patterns that prevent us from sharing regular times to be able to play the game together, so we have grown to appreciate the time playing the game together when we can.

Thanks to CCP's previous stance on multiboxing and signal broadcasting, if and when I had time to log on to the game and I had no corp mates to play with (as is often the case) I was still able to make a difference and spend my time in the game usefully.

Now, activities that our corp are associated with such as C4 worm hole farming, null sec ratting and incursion running will only be possible when other corp members are online. This will cause me to play the game far less. I'm sure this is the case for others in New Eden and is a far less populated universe what people really want? I for one am responsible for 22 active and skilled toons.

I have not been afraid of PVPing with my toons using isboxer before and had a few interesting battles as a result (usually on the losing side), as of Jan 1st 2015 my toons will no longer be sitting ducks for the better players in the game to get nice shiny kill mails.

CCP's policy to allow software like isboxer caused me to invest heavily in terms of time and money in the character bazaar, extra accounts and more recently, multiple character training. CCP's policy change has rendered all my investments null and void, I doubt it's even worth selling my toons on the character bazaar as it will no doubt be flooded with people trying to do the same.

I don't have the time or inclination to play the game as regularly as others and the pressure from many PVP corps and alliances for regular participation means they are not a viable option. This leaves me wondering what I can do in the game to keep me interested, or even if this game has a future for me at all.
HypoConDreAct
Shits N Giggles
#1522 - 2014-11-27 10:55:31 UTC  |  Edited by: HypoConDreAct
Quarantine wrote:
I'm not much of a forum poster but this change of policy affects me so heavily I have to say something about it. I'm part of a small corp of 8 real world people who can make a difference in the game thanks to our ability to field several toons at the same time. Our real life work involves shift patterns that prevent us from sharing regular times to be able to play the game together, so we have grown to appreciate the time playing the game together when we can.

Thanks to CCP's previous stance on multiboxing and signal broadcasting, if and when I had time to log on to the game and I had no corp mates to play with (as is often the case) I was still able to make a difference and spend my time in the game usefully.

Now, activities that our corp are associated with such as C4 worm hole farming, null sec ratting and incursion running will only be possible when other corp members are online. This will cause me to play the game far less. I'm sure this is the case for others in New Eden and is a far less populated universe what people really want? I for one am responsible for 22 active and skilled toons.

I have not been afraid of PVPing with my toons using isboxer before and had a few interesting battles as a result (usually on the losing side), as of Jan 1st 2015 my toons will no longer be sitting ducks for the better players in the game to get nice shiny kill mails.

CCP's policy to allow software like isboxer caused me to invest heavily in terms of time and money in the character bazaar, extra accounts and more recently, multiple character training. CCP's policy change has rendered all my investments null and void, I doubt it's even worth selling my toons on the character bazaar as it will no doubt be flooded with people trying to do the same.

I don't have the time or inclination to play the game as regularly as others and the pressure from many PVP corps and alliances for regular participation means they are not a viable option. This leaves me wondering what I can do in the game to keep me interested, or even if this game has a future for me at all.



if you need help setting up a dash board for your accounts mail me in game. its a bit of a click fest now but you will find you have more control over your toons with out the repeater than with it. you do have to be on your toes a bit more but its not that bad

http://gyazo.com/a79fc85c18e8e0b27a8eb3c3e5c1cd10
this is my set up so you get the idea
happy to help a fellow multiboxer if you want it
Ger Atol
Alchemax Applied Sciences
#1523 - 2014-11-27 10:58:14 UTC
Quarantine wrote:
I'm not much of a forum poster but this change of policy affects me so heavily I have to say something about it. I'm part of a small corp of 8 real world people who can make a difference in the game thanks to our ability to field several toons at the same time. Our real life work involves shift patterns that prevent us from sharing regular times to be able to play the game together, so we have grown to appreciate the time playing the game together when we can.

Thanks to CCP's previous stance on multiboxing and signal broadcasting, if and when I had time to log on to the game and I had no corp mates to play with (as is often the case) I was still able to make a difference and spend my time in the game usefully.

Now, activities that our corp are associated with such as C4 worm hole farming, null sec ratting and incursion running will only be possible when other corp members are online. This will cause me to play the game far less. I'm sure this is the case for others in New Eden and is a far less populated universe what people really want? I for one am responsible for 22 active and skilled toons.

I have not been afraid of PVPing with my toons using isboxer before and had a few interesting battles as a result (usually on the losing side), as of Jan 1st 2015 my toons will no longer be sitting ducks for the better players in the game to get nice shiny kill mails.

CCP's policy to allow software like isboxer caused me to invest heavily in terms of time and money in the character bazaar, extra accounts and more recently, multiple character training. CCP's policy change has rendered all my investments null and void, I doubt it's even worth selling my toons on the character bazaar as it will no doubt be flooded with people trying to do the same.

I don't have the time or inclination to play the game as regularly as others and the pressure from many PVP corps and alliances for regular participation means they are not a viable option. This leaves me wondering what I can do in the game to keep me interested, or even if this game has a future for me at all.


indeed, several people are in the same situation, I know I am leaving and I expect a refund of my subscription time left. I will not be advising friends to try eve anymore, and the few who have stayed will quit when i leave. I didn't even seriously ISBox, but like you, my time in game was limited and ISBoxer ment i could do my own thing easily when friends were not around. this is impossible now, and I have no desire to run one character, to rarely log in.
Ger Atol
Alchemax Applied Sciences
#1524 - 2014-11-27 10:59:35 UTC
HypoConDreAct wrote:
Quarantine wrote:
I'm not much of a forum poster but this change of policy affects me so heavily I have to say something about it. I'm part of a small corp of 8 real world people who can make a difference in the game thanks to our ability to field several toons at the same time. Our real life work involves shift patterns that prevent us from sharing regular times to be able to play the game together, so we have grown to appreciate the time playing the game together when we can.

Thanks to CCP's previous stance on multiboxing and signal broadcasting, if and when I had time to log on to the game and I had no corp mates to play with (as is often the case) I was still able to make a difference and spend my time in the game usefully.

Now, activities that our corp are associated with such as C4 worm hole farming, null sec ratting and incursion running will only be possible when other corp members are online. This will cause me to play the game far less. I'm sure this is the case for others in New Eden and is a far less populated universe what people really want? I for one am responsible for 22 active and skilled toons.

I have not been afraid of PVPing with my toons using isboxer before and had a few interesting battles as a result (usually on the losing side), as of Jan 1st 2015 my toons will no longer be sitting ducks for the better players in the game to get nice shiny kill mails.

CCP's policy to allow software like isboxer caused me to invest heavily in terms of time and money in the character bazaar, extra accounts and more recently, multiple character training. CCP's policy change has rendered all my investments null and void, I doubt it's even worth selling my toons on the character bazaar as it will no doubt be flooded with people trying to do the same.

I don't have the time or inclination to play the game as regularly as others and the pressure from many PVP corps and alliances for regular participation means they are not a viable option. This leaves me wondering what I can do in the game to keep me interested, or even if this game has a future for me at all.



if you need help setting up a dash board for your accounts mail me in game. its a bit of a click fest now but you will find you have more control over your toons with out the repeater than with it. you do have to be on your toes a bit more but its not that bad

happy to help a fellow multiboxer if you want it


You are a very considerate person and may be the only hope for me and my toons staying, I may mail you. :)
Blastcaps Madullier
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#1525 - 2014-11-27 11:09:14 UTC
Falcon as you know players go inactive for periods at a time, rather than banning returning players who haven't heard/seen/read this thread can a popup be put into game for returning players who login with ISboxer etc active warning them of these changes so that you dont end up with a bunch of returning players ending up getting banned for the use of ISboxer simply because they didn't know or read the forums before logging in for the first time in ages, like multiboxing ice miners etc.
Saves agrivation and hassle both for ccp and said returning players.
The Ironfist
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1526 - 2014-11-27 11:11:11 UTC
Mike Azariah wrote:


5) What I want to see. PLAYERS, not accounts, people. If there is a bomber wing (come on boys . . . wooohoohoo) I want to know it is eight guys working in unison. I like watching a football match (soccer) but I get far less enjoyment watching foosball.


Fair enough though what point is there right now bombing does not require any skill it is too easy to wipe out fleets the change that could have fixed that ccp took back because of massive crying. Now with isboxed bombers gone will we see battleship meta again? No we won't. Because again the problem was not isboxer the problem is still that AOE weapon systems in a MMO are broken and ccp still refuses to accept that.
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#1527 - 2014-11-27 11:11:52 UTC
Quarantine wrote:
I'm not much of a forum poster but this change of policy affects me so heavily I have to say something about it. I'm part of a small corp of 8 real world people who can make a difference in the game thanks to our ability to field several toons at the same time. Our real life work involves shift patterns that prevent us from sharing regular times to be able to play the game together, so we have grown to appreciate the time playing the game together when we can.


join a bigger corp maybe? Merge with another corp?
Skia Aumer
Planetary Harvesting and Processing LLC
#1528 - 2014-11-27 11:14:31 UTC
Arronicus wrote:
Mining is relaxing.
Mining is enjoyable.

Mining is stiff. The yield varies very little, no matter how hard you try.

You may be all relaxed throughout a month, but one day it strikes you "I want to make something big, and I want it quick!" You have some options like switching from Mackinaw to Hulk, or ask for Rorqual bonuses - but it's all so minuscule. If you want to become serious - the only real option is to get +1 barge. And then +1 more. And some more. And even more. Finally, you end up with 20 accounts. Then, when you want to step back and return to the good old relaxing mining, chatting with friends and stuff, something inside you is whispering "no! the accounts are plexed! they must work!"

What we need is an activity that allows for different modes of operation - both relaxing (but with low profit), and active (with a lot more profit). CCP tried it, but no success yet: mining quality ores in "high-risk" environment is not that risky in fact, and Mackinaw/Hulk tradeoff lacks depth.
Blastcaps Madullier
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#1529 - 2014-11-27 11:15:02 UTC
Ger Atol wrote:
HypoConDreAct wrote:
Quarantine wrote:
I'm not much of a forum poster but this change of policy affects me so heavily I have to say something about it. I'm part of a small corp of 8 real world people who can make a difference in the game thanks to our ability to field several toons at the same time. Our real life work involves shift patterns that prevent us from sharing regular times to be able to play the game together, so we have grown to appreciate the time playing the game together when we can.

Thanks to CCP's previous stance on multiboxing and signal broadcasting, if and when I had time to log on to the game and I had no corp mates to play with (as is often the case) I was still able to make a difference and spend my time in the game usefully.

Now, activities that our corp are associated with such as C4 worm hole farming, null sec ratting and incursion running will only be possible when other corp members are online. This will cause me to play the game far less. I'm sure this is the case for others in New Eden and is a far less populated universe what people really want? I for one am responsible for 22 active and skilled toons.

I have not been afraid of PVPing with my toons using isboxer before and had a few interesting battles as a result (usually on the losing side), as of Jan 1st 2015 my toons will no longer be sitting ducks for the better players in the game to get nice shiny kill mails.

CCP's policy to allow software like isboxer caused me to invest heavily in terms of time and money in the character bazaar, extra accounts and more recently, multiple character training. CCP's policy change has rendered all my investments null and void, I doubt it's even worth selling my toons on the character bazaar as it will no doubt be flooded with people trying to do the same.

I don't have the time or inclination to play the game as regularly as others and the pressure from many PVP corps and alliances for regular participation means they are not a viable option. This leaves me wondering what I can do in the game to keep me interested, or even if this game has a future for me at all.



if you need help setting up a dash board for your accounts mail me in game. its a bit of a click fest now but you will find you have more control over your toons with out the repeater than with it. you do have to be on your toes a bit more but its not that bad

happy to help a fellow multiboxer if you want it


You are a very considerate person and may be the only hope for me and my toons staying, I may mail you. :)



as I said else where in this thread ISboxer wasn't a issue when it was confined to mining, but as time has gone on people have expanded that use upto and including pvp which has a detrimental effect on the game as a whole, and its the health of the WHOLE game ccp has to consider over all.
as for incursions, your MENT to run these in a group and there's plenty of groups in the incursion community happy to take players in fleets, your NOT supposed to run a entire fleet by yourself to do incursions....
Skia Aumer
Planetary Harvesting and Processing LLC
#1530 - 2014-11-27 11:23:16 UTC
The Ironfist wrote:
bombing does not require any skill it is too easy to wipe out fleets

How many times did you organize bombing runs that wiped out fleets?
My guess is... hm... ZERO!
You have no idea what you're talking about. Get educated first.
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#1531 - 2014-11-27 11:26:46 UTC
Skia Aumer wrote:
The Ironfist wrote:
bombing does not require any skill it is too easy to wipe out fleets

How many times did you organize bombing runs that wiped out fleets?
My guess is... hm... ZERO!
You have no idea what you're talking about. Get educated first.


with isbotter, it IS LITTLE SKILL!
Get prober in your fleet, probe fleet, warp your bomber fleet to prober in position, all simultaneously decloak, all simultaneously warp drop bomb, all simultaneously warp out. The organizing part is clearly missing there, idgi why you dont unterstand the concept of isbotted bombing.
Irya Boone
The Scope
#1532 - 2014-11-27 11:30:22 UTC
anyway thank you CCP for this , keep doing the good work and don't listen to the Isboxers at all

Drop the hammer again and again and don't forget the offgrid booster too :)

CCP it's time to remove Off Grid Boost and Put Them on Killmail too, add Logi on killmails .... Open that damn door !!

you shall all bow and pray BoB
Skia Aumer
Planetary Harvesting and Processing LLC
#1533 - 2014-11-27 11:32:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Skia Aumer
Robert Caldera wrote:
Skia Aumer wrote:
The Ironfist wrote:
bombing does not require any skill it is too easy to wipe out fleets

How many times did you organize bombing runs that wiped out fleets?
My guess is... hm... ZERO!
You have no idea what you're talking about. Get educated first.


with isbotter, it IS LITTLE SKILL!
Get prober in your fleet, probe fleet, warp your bomber fleet to prober in position, all simultaneously decloak, all simultaneously warp drop bomb, all simultaneously warp out. The organizing part is clearly missing there, idgi why you dont unterstand the concept of isbotted bombing.

Because I was talking about real-player bombing run.
The dude said "even though isboxer is banned, it's still too easy". I say - it's not.
Edit: and even with isboxing, anti-bomber defence helps a lot.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#1534 - 2014-11-27 11:53:18 UTC
Mike Azariah wrote:
Whew, caught up again.

I disagree with some things, agree with others but I have no wish to hunt and search and copy blocks of text most of us skip reading anyways.

so

1) I want to thank Nolak and Yi and Shadow(something or other) You wrote well and for the most part kept above the petty name calling or pouting. Well done and I tried to make sure I read your posts carefully.

2) Posts I skipped usually contained the words unsub or tears. They contributed very little to the discussion. I also tended to laugh at ones that involve parrots, chopsticks or images of a juryrigged computer from years ago.

3) Yes there are workarounds, some using ISBoxer, others using scripted mice or keyboard. Some are fair game others skate close enough to the edge that they risk a ban. Basically it comes down to a question of economics. Are you willing to risk ALL your accounts (and assets) being banned by skating on the thin ice knowingly? Risk vs reward in the metagame.

4) Someone posted that ISBoxer and such were discussed in the summer summit. Yup, and perhaps in more detail than the edited (or redacted) minutes show. Think that one through, please.

5) What I want to see. PLAYERS, not accounts, people. If there is a bomber wing (come on boys . . . wooohoohoo) I want to know it is eight guys working in unison. I like watching a football match (soccer) but I get far less enjoyment watching foosball.

6) Multiple accounts are still fair usage. Scouts, self boosting (for those 'solo' players), neutral logi? All good to go. So no smoke screens in that direction. Same for fleet and squad warp. Although I HAVE argued for the latter to be changed before . . . ask me some other time about why.

that's it for now. a few more posts have appeared while I was writing this.

I'll keep reading and listening because that is what I said I would do.

m

how many characters do you multibox?

Help, I can't download EVE

President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub

PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
Dustpuppy
New Eden Ferengi
#1535 - 2014-11-27 12:00:40 UTC
Irya Boone wrote:
2014 the year of the tears

Tears of FW farmers ( with the dps check on NPC in plexes) :)
Tears of insta jumper all over the map in 2 minutes :)
Tears of i can control 15 accounts with one mouse and one keyboard..

I'm telling you the year of Tears

if i've forgotten some TEARS please remind me :)



I have an additional wish: Remove the automatic email to the SOV owner in case a POS is placed in the system. This would force the owners to actively search for intruder which is impossible for the "alliances" owning big renting spaces and last but not least brek the neck of this crap renting mechanism.

Then we also would have blue doughnut tears :)
Wander Prian
Nosferatu Security Foundation
#1536 - 2014-11-27 12:20:35 UTC
This is the wrong place to be asking for a refund. File a petition and do it that way. Shouting for a refund here is not going to get you anywhere

Wormholer for life.
Bagatur I
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1537 - 2014-11-27 12:21:46 UTC
Daniel Jackson wrote:
what exactly is Input Broadcasting and Input Multiplexing? i still don't understand is using the logitech keyboards GKEY binds Input Broadcasting and Input Multiplexing ?


the new change will affect controlling multiple accounts only! what you mention may or may not fall under input automation rule, which has been bannable even before that.
are people not even using google anymore? just input 'difference between broadcasting and multicasting". here is a link with some technical definitions http://www.erg.abdn.ac.uk/users/gorry/course/intro-pages/uni-b-mcast.html
Kallen Stadfelt
Spectre II
#1538 - 2014-11-27 12:43:49 UTC
There are allot of people using ISBoxer, without it it is just a pain to control multiple characters, would not be surprised if they all De-Subbed to see the logon number drop by quite a bit, also allot of those ISBoxers would buy Plexes to run those accounts.

I use ISBoxer for Everquest btw...

First they shoot themselves in the foot with Announcing Dust Legion, most of us Day 1 Dusties quit after that, they cancel Vampire, now no longer allowed to use ISBoxer properly.

Not sure if CCP is heading in the direction i want to be in when Legion comes out (if ever).
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#1539 - 2014-11-27 12:46:21 UTC
Just chiming in to say

*I love U Mr. Falcon*

Over the recent weeks, I've engage more single guys running an ISBoxer fleet compared compared to actual groups of individuals. I'm certain since suspected ISBoxer fleets had either identical pilot names with numbers or otherwise some numbers on them...

LOVE U GUYS
Challenged
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1540 - 2014-11-27 12:54:28 UTC
Kaaeliaa wrote:
Gina Taroen wrote:
lol wonder how many people will quit because of this :D


Who cares?

They're the kind of people EVE doesn't want because they screw things up for everyone else.

CCP, congratulations on having the stones to put your foot down and tell these types to get out. Maybe we can finally have nice things again.


I doubt many players will quit over it, but the amount of accounts subscribed may take a dip.

I have 14 subscribed accounts (im too bad at eve to plex them), as of next month that will drop down to 3, possibly 2, depending on what activities I plan on doing. That's a $1400 - $1900 loss for CCP annually from myself alone.

I never used them for bombing, or to gain advantages in pvp apart from bashing structures.

I believe CCP probably have already factored an ballpark figure of how much money may be lost from this, and since they are going forward, it is probably not high enough to affect them long term.

I find it annoying, but not game breaking. By the looks of replies here overall it's a pretty unpopular thing in general, so probably for the best of the game.