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Update regarding Multiboxing and input automation

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Alp Khan
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2014-11-25 16:29:42 UTC
Never establish a rule that you cannot enforce with considerable accuracy.
Volcane Nephilim
The Magic Roundabout Initiative
DevilBear
#42 - 2014-11-25 16:30:24 UTC
Mierin Arthie wrote:
How does this policy update regard the usage of KVM switches to control multiple computers from one mouse/keyboard?

for those that dont know what a kvm switch is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KVM_switch


You're not broadcasting a command to multiple clients in that case. You are choosing a different computer to do something manually on. This seems totally legit and inline with the post to me?

+1 to banning input broadcasters of all description.
Capqu
Half Empty
#43 - 2014-11-25 16:30:25 UTC
Lyron-Baktos wrote:
Jesus, can you be any more vague Falcon?


ill explain for u

u can no longer press one button, and have things happen on more than one client

you can still use isboxer to tile ur clients on the same screen

you still can't automate pushing a button
Stephan Schneider
Meme Squad
#44 - 2014-11-25 16:30:28 UTC
all the lost money for ccp

i can see hundreds of mining alts just die

just change it so the ban only goes for pvp related activities
eiedu
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
#45 - 2014-11-25 16:30:38 UTC
Also, let's unsub 10% of the accounts cus we can't use em anymore
Innominate
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#46 - 2014-11-25 16:30:54 UTC
https://sites.google.com/site/khromtor/oldrigs

What's the ruling on a setup like this?
EvilweaselFinance
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#47 - 2014-11-25 16:30:56 UTC  |  Edited by: EvilweaselFinance

come on people read the whole thing:

Quote:

"We would like to clarify that it does not matter how Input Broadcasting and Input Multiplexing are being done, whether through use of software or modified hardware. Our only concern is regarding how it is being used in the EVE universe."
Fiberton
StarFleet Enterprises
#48 - 2014-11-25 16:31:03 UTC
Hrm so Mining goods are about to sky rocket. Ok so I have never used one of these things you speak of but even I after over 10 years in the game know that this is a terrible idea. So when you are making decisions did you consult an accountant? You realize that you are prob going to reduce CCP income about 3M a year just from logins who will drop accounts that are used for that sort of thing ? Ok not to tell you guys how to run a company but just flying around for so many years and knowing persons who use that.. At least 5% of eve is just miners on isboxer. Good luck on driving into a brick wall or whatever you dudes do.. Phobe great idea. this.. I would consult an accountant.

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Rossi Tenmar
Decadence.
RAZOR Alliance
#49 - 2014-11-25 16:31:44 UTC
eiedu wrote:
RIP incursions
RIP Ratting
RIP bombing

Or join a fleet with other people maybe? Blink
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#50 - 2014-11-25 16:32:31 UTC  |  Edited by: DaReaper
Frozen Hairdresser wrote:
Just to be clear, are we still allowed to bind all our hardeners to the same key?


no. that it interation of ship and moduels and is no longer allowed

per post one

Input Broadcasting and Input Multiplexing of actions with consequences in the EVE universe, are prohibited and will be policed in the same manner as Input Automation.

This includes, but isn’t limited to:

• Activation and control of ships and modules

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

Eve For life.

Gina Taroen
Litla Sundlaugin
#51 - 2014-11-25 16:32:49 UTC
lol wonder how many people will quit because of this :D
Querns
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#52 - 2014-11-25 16:32:49 UTC
Cue several dozen pages of people trying to invent increasingly complex vignettes that attempt to subvert the letter of the decision to legitimize actions that violate its spirit.

This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.

Lilith5
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#53 - 2014-11-25 16:34:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Lilith5
Capri Sun KraftFoods wrote:
As someone who actually ISBox's bombers I'm a little upset.

The problem isn't ISBoxer. The problem is that bombs as they currently stand are completely broken Sure isboxer exacerbates the problem significantly, but you can still get 30 dudes into a fleet easily and go kill anything with 4 waves that isn't a T3 or a faction battleship. I'd be happy to see my bomber accounts become useless and de-sub them if it meant I didn't have to worry about getting hell bombed every other fleet.


I think a lot of people would be happy if you and others were to de-sub and play eve how its meant to be played. Bombers don't fly in perfect formation and drop all bombs in sync or fire torpedos in a perfect volley so are able to alpha even the strongest tank. What your doing is basically an exploit, so if this happens it might be a step towards better pvp in eve and more fun for all not just the few players who are able to run 5+ accounts at a time.
Arkon Olacar
black.listed
#54 - 2014-11-25 16:35:11 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Capqu wrote:
Lyron-Baktos wrote:
Jesus, can you be any more vague Falcon?


ill explain for u

u can no longer press one button, and have things happen on more than one client

you can still use isboxer to tile ur clients on the same screen

you still can't automate pushing a button

thanks capqu

*Snip* Please refrain from discussing politics. ISD Ezwal.
Wibla
Tactical Narcotics Team
#55 - 2014-11-25 16:35:16 UTC
Querns wrote:
Cue several dozen pages of people trying to invent increasingly complex vignettes that attempt to subvert the letter of the decision to legitimize actions that violate its spirit.


I have lots of popcorn Big smile
Fluoroantimonicacid
Nullbear Tear Extractors
Hostile Intervention
#56 - 2014-11-25 16:35:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Fluoroantimonicacid
Is broadcasting commands to dscan allowed? Is broadcasting control-c to copy something displayed in the client allowed, for example dscan or market windows?

Was I a large part of triggering this change, just like when I made the best of insurance fraud to the point it had to be patched?

-Replicator

edit: anyone want to buy 60M nova rage torpedoes, and 30M nova javelin torpedoes, aling with 10-20M each of the ones for a manticore?
Marc Callan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#57 - 2014-11-25 16:35:52 UTC
Seems clear enough: slaving multiple ships to one set of controls is going to be a violation as of New Year's Day. And since CCP can presumably access input logs, and determine how well synchronized a group of ships is, they can make a reasonably accurate determination as to whether a fleet is controlled by a well-coordinated group of players, or slaved to a single player's controls.

"We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be." - Kurt Vonnegurt

Arkon Olacar
black.listed
#58 - 2014-11-25 16:36:07 UTC
eiedu wrote:
Also, let's unsub 10% of the accounts cus we can't use em anymore

No one cares

Give me your stuff already
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#59 - 2014-11-25 16:36:39 UTC
Querns wrote:
Cue several dozen pages of people trying to invent increasingly complex vignettes that attempt to subvert the letter of the decision to legitimize actions that violate its spirit.


"But what if I set it up to delay my "broadcasts" by a random few milliseconds, so it looks like I'm pushing buttans on 32 computers in a row really fast... is that ok?"

I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.

alpha36
Atomphysiker
#60 - 2014-11-25 16:37:19 UTC
Change we can believe in.