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Update regarding Multiboxing and input automation

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Jean Luc Lemmont
Carebears on Fire
#481 - 2014-11-25 19:02:20 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Big +1 on the decision, but I'm worried it doesn't go far enough. People will just purchase more screens, and manually control multiple accounts. It'll be harder, surely, but it's still viable to manually control a 10 ship tornado gank fleet or procurer mining fleet. The only sure way to get rid of multiboxing, and entitle everyone equally to the actions of one character at a time, is to get rid of multiboxing entirely.


You misunderstand their intentions.

Will I get banned for boxing!?!?!

This thread has degenerated to the point it's become like two bald men fighting over a comb. -- Doc Fury

It's bonuses, not boni, you cretins.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#482 - 2014-11-25 19:03:28 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Michelle Monteleone wrote:
Guess my 12 accounts are done as of January 1, 2015. I had fun while it lasted. First Warcraft removed /follow from pvp because of all the cry babies now CCP has removed multiboxing all together. The Eve universe is going to change quite a bit when all the resources people were pumping out with multiple accounts goes away.

Merry Christmas CCP. Thanks for the lump of coal.

See you cry babies in the next mmo I multibox in.Big smile

Good.

As a vet of 7 years, get out. People like you, and other ~new~ scrubs who came in a few years ago after other vets left Eve made this game change, for the worse. With the changes being made now, the new rules, the new content, I am seeing old friends come back to Eve with a bit of hope that it won't be ****.

If getting 1 or 2 honest to goodness pirate vets back, the ones who made pirating classy, means losing 100 ISBoxing scublords, I say good riddance.

Now GET THE **** OUT




you need to post that with a female avatar so I won't feel so gay when I kiss it.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Jean Luc Lemmont
Carebears on Fire
#483 - 2014-11-25 19:03:54 UTC
War Kitten wrote:


No, KVM switch is just that - a switch. It connects you to one computer at a time, not multiple.


You're right. My bad - I misunderstood the intention.

Will I get banned for boxing!?!?!

This thread has degenerated to the point it's become like two bald men fighting over a comb. -- Doc Fury

It's bonuses, not boni, you cretins.
white male privilege
Doomheim
#484 - 2014-11-25 19:04:28 UTC
If you've ever wanted a nightmare alt to keep in his ex for incursion, there's gonna be a lot hitting the market. Put them on the same account as your main and join an incursion group, the only fun over activity in eve. Now CCP just needs to add variety to missions.
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#485 - 2014-11-25 19:05:29 UTC
Airi Cho wrote:
War Kitten wrote:
I think Taylor Swift has a song for you to quote when you unsub.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WA4iX5D9Z64


PL really has a thing for Taylor Swift it seems :p


It was a play off his Miley Cyrus example - did you miss that? I don't particularly care for either one.

And my corp name is a play off of PL, I don't particularly have any affiliation with them.

So you might be right, and you might be wrong, but my post doesn't connect the dots.

I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.
white male privilege
Doomheim
#486 - 2014-11-25 19:06:18 UTC  |  Edited by: white male privilege
Also like this post if you're gonna buy the devs a beer at fanfest this year has been amazing.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#487 - 2014-11-25 19:06:40 UTC
War Kitten wrote:
Hopelesshobo wrote:
So, because broadcasting is being banned as of 01 Jan 2015, does that mean on 01 Jan 2015, cloaks will be reverted again to not decloaking each other while cloaked since the main reason this was changed back was to nerf broadcasting bombers together?


Keep up with the times... they already changed their minds on that one before even implementing it. Nothing to revert.

Hey! Thanks for that, I missed it.

So the decloak other cloaked ships thing is not going to be implemented eh? Excellent.

I much prefer this solution.

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Dirritat'z Demblin
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#488 - 2014-11-25 19:07:30 UTC
Good Job CCP! :D
About time to kick those Single-Players that want the power of a community without actually interacting with said community from our MMO Cool
Sirinda
Ekchuah's Shrine Comporium
#489 - 2014-11-25 19:07:32 UTC
My reaction to this.

And I'm aware a dozen people will have posted it before me.
Terini
Widgit Inc
#490 - 2014-11-25 19:07:37 UTC
Naburi NasNaburi wrote:
Gina Taroen wrote:
lol wonder how many people will quit because of this :D



And I wonder how many of the old people will return :)


I came back to the game 2 weeks ago from 2 years off, due to CCP's come back offer.. and yes I thought nothing had changed but on hearing this I am definlaty buying a new plex for my 2 miners, I dual client but I have never used any form of automation nor have I ever thought of it, I feel that this is a good decision by CCP!

Terini
Widgit Inc.
Empire Mining since urmmm damn that long ago!!
Thomas Hurt
Future Ventures
#491 - 2014-11-25 19:07:50 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Imagine if you will a setting whereby there is not enforcement or a lack of regulation about the age of consent to have sex.

Believe it or not, it was like that back in the 1980s. It was quite common for say a 16 yo to date a 14 yo, or an 18 with 15 year old. Nobody really cared as long as the two were teenagers and the "maturity level of the individual" was taken into account.

You know, that whole "she won't date me I'm just a Freshman" cliché from all those dumb films in the 80s.


Now imagine if, lacking regs or enforcement, you have men in their 20s and up dating 12 year old girls. It becomes a bit too much, a bit "in your face" and most of all, a little difficult to pretend it's still OK.


So, there was no problem with the multi box thing, all "within the rules" and an area where while it appeared illegal it was not.....


and then, like the 30 year old dating the 12 year old, suddenly you have entire fleets gratuitously hoovering up entire belts, each pilot not even having a real name, all in the safety of highsec.



If there is one mistake that CCP tends to make, it's the underestimation of the Min-Max player. If there is one little tiny atom-sized little teensy iota of a chance that something will be taken all the way in one direction as the mechanics allow it, then it WILL. If there is a "possibility" of something, anything, and that possibility leads to more ISK or more stats, then that possibility by itself becomes the reality. Thera for example, if the stations can be death bubbled by dictors, it WILL and by people who have all the time in the world for it.

So, while the multibox fleet may be OK per the rules and all that, we have seen the min max sperglords take that all the way to the absurd.

And absurd, even if in the rules, eventually starts to look bad. People get to wondering "what kind of people am I dealing with here?" and nobody is really having a good time when hit with crazy vibes.


Quoting this in case you edit it
Kagehisa Shintaro
Back Door Burglars
#492 - 2014-11-25 19:08:01 UTC
Stephan Schneider wrote:
all the lost money for ccp

i can see hundreds of mining alts just die

just change it so the ban only goes for pvp related activities


Why should PvE be exempt from this rule???

As a multibox miner (not ISBoxer, genuine at my screen multi boxing) I completely agree on equal footing with PvPers in relation to automation and fair treatment etc.



Radkiel wrote:
Gina Taroen wrote:
lol wonder how many people will quit because of this :D


I just unsubbed all of my accounts, I'll play until the 1st then find another game.Cry

I fail to see how multiboxing affects anyone around me.


Automation of the multiboxing affects everyone, everywhere... It devalues what the person who manually controls multiple accounts does, it devalues what the person who runs 1 account does. It doesn't help people stay on equal footing. I agree that someone who runs 1 account shouldn't be on equal footing with someone who runs 10, but they should be able to compete with 1 of my 10 accounts at least. (I don't run all 10 at once, infact most are unsubbed atm).


If this is a ban on ISBoxer, without naming ISBoxer, or rather lets say "Multibox Software", then I say fair play to CCP for making the decision. Sure it will affect things in the immediate future, but I think in the long run it will be better for the game.

Any company can ship. We space ship. - CCP Guard
Torgeir Hekard
I MYSELF AND ME
#493 - 2014-11-25 19:08:31 UTC
Wormholers, supers, invention skills, now iskboxers. So sweet.

We need a Bucket Of Tears christmas gift.

I will buy them up and make a bath out of them.
Oh, I think we also need a bathtub in CQ for that. Even if through NEX store. Still worth it.
Systimus
Doomheim
#494 - 2014-11-25 19:08:50 UTC
I use isboxer to mine with 4 accounts. Never have pvp'd with it. I don't use constantly but might use it to activate auto pilot or to dock. If I'm reading this correctly, this action with be banned . So no point in having 4 accounts so might as well cancel 3 of them.

Elite dangerous is out soon. Maybe cancel all 4 and have a go at that instead.
Daniel Jackson
Universal Exos
#495 - 2014-11-25 19:09:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Daniel Jackson
what exactly is Input Broadcasting and Input Multiplexing? i still don't understand is using the logitech keyboards GKEY binds Input Broadcasting and Input Multiplexing ?

I Vote YES! for Downloadable HI-RES Textures!!!!
Jvpiter
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#496 - 2014-11-25 19:10:28 UTC


I disagree with this change, but I am not surprised CCP has come to this decision.


What is surprising is their decision to do so at the expense of account subs. I applaud their dedication to what they feel is the spirit of the game.

Call me Joe.
Tollen Gallen
Glory of Reprisal Enterprise
#497 - 2014-11-25 19:11:11 UTC
Systimus wrote:
I use isboxer to mine with 4 accounts. Never have pvp'd with it. I don't use constantly but might use it to activate auto pilot or to dock. If I'm reading this correctly, this action with be banned . So no point in having 4 accounts so might as well cancel 3 of them.

Elite dangerous is out soon. Maybe cancel all 4 and have a go at that instead.



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kraken11 jensen
ROOKS AND KRAKENS
#498 - 2014-11-25 19:11:21 UTC
Systimus wrote:
I use isboxer to mine with 4 accounts. Never have pvp'd with it. I don't use constantly but might use it to activate auto pilot or to dock. If I'm reading this correctly, this action with be banned . So no point in having 4 accounts so might as well cancel 3 of them.

Elite dangerous is out soon. Maybe cancel all 4 and have a go at that instead.



Well, isb boxer is not banned. so you're luckey that you did not do pve like me :)
I wish i enjoyed mining... But i dont fit to it.. Also the brodcasting to multiple screens is pretty mutch useless in mining anyway, who need to Lock all accounts to same stones, right? lol . :) (Hm, and im sorry if this going to make issues for you... i feel With you) :/
Utari Onzo
Escalated.
OnlyFleets.
#499 - 2014-11-25 19:11:48 UTC
Systimus wrote:
I use isboxer to mine with 4 accounts. Never have pvp'd with it. I don't use constantly but might use it to activate auto pilot or to dock. If I'm reading this correctly, this action with be banned . So no point in having 4 accounts so might as well cancel 3 of them.

Elite dangerous is out soon. Maybe cancel all 4 and have a go at that instead.


Why unsub? The only action that is banned is pressing one button to activate the command over all accounts simultaniously. You could carry on using ISBoxer to manage all the clients so long as you're inputing one command for one account at a time. ISBoxer can make managing multiple UIs easier without breaking the rules, you just have to use more manual input.

"Face the enemy as a solid wall For faith is your armor And through it, the enemy will find no breach Wrap your arms around the enemy For faith is your fire And with it, burn away his evil"
Bisu Deckryder
Definitely Not Cloaked LLC
#500 - 2014-11-25 19:12:02 UTC
Systimus wrote:
I use isboxer to mine with 4 accounts. Never have pvp'd with it. I don't use constantly but might use it to activate auto pilot or to dock. If I'm reading this correctly, this action with be banned . So no point in having 4 accounts so might as well cancel 3 of them.

Elite dangerous is out soon. Maybe cancel all 4 and have a go at that instead.

I rather suspect you'll wind up in wow instead, but feel free. If clicking 4 times instead of once is so hard on you, maybe you should stop typing so much and seek out a doctor before you do permanent damage to your hands and wrists.