EVE General Discussion

Have you noticed Trakow provides evidence to support the point he is making, whilst you do not.

Although it seems like you have " check mated " yourself.

That guy took 5 seconds to activate the gate on all 8 accounts. He doesn't have to worry about anything. People in this thread have been claiming they can do 7-8 clients in 1 second.

Of course they won't tell you. Games companies (especially MMO's) don't divulge their detection methods as it makes it to easy for those players who do want to cheat to avoid detection.

The CSM member that looked at the whole detection and banning process can't tell you about it because of the NDA they signed. Lucas on the other hand seems to think he has been given full disclosure on CCP's detection methods.

There is nothing wrong with CCP using data analysis to flag accounts for a closer look and if you think that video shows someone being to good you definitely don't have to worry. Even I'm quicker than that. Although I also die a lot too.

Earlier you said you could issue a command to 8 clients in 1 second by using a tiled set up and dragging your mouse across them with focus on hover. (correct?). Now as you have stated they monitor for months. How many times do you think you will miss one of your tiles and accidentally issue 2 commands to the next tile? Or just issue 2 commands to a client by mistake because you are just pressing F1(or other input) whilst dragging the mouse quickly across the screen.

Now compare to someone using a roundrobin, who just has to press F1 8 times. There will never be a case of issuing 2 commands to a client by accident.

Add to that what ever else the use for detection and the data will clearly show a difference between the 2. Maybe not over 1 or 2 play sessions but definitely when monitored over months.

Nobody is that accurate over extended periods of monitoring without using some sort of assistance.

In my defense I intentionally slow the gate activation on the domis so I can insure the paladin (the first character) gets aggro first. I could activate the gates MUCH faster but all it did was create bouncing aggro which made my times slower as I have to start locking/repping much quicker. I didn't post any videos from the last couple times I've run as it's just the same thing but faster. I now run a different setup on the paladin and MUCH cheaper fits all over. The videos are what I call "average" runs meaning I can keep that up over the course of hours. Sure I could run faster but natural fatigue sets in after a while. The video posted in particular was after several hours of playing (hence the 2:30 am time).

There's also two screens I'm using that you can't see in that video. The secondary screen on the same computer (to the right) and a separate machine to the left with keyboard/mouse/monitor. http://i.imgur.com/7spamN0.jpg

Lets see video of you doing it then. I guarantee you're not as fast as you think you are.

I've been running this setup as my primary setup since Jan 1st but I first started running tests of it in December. So far I've lost one ship which was a dominix. I lost it because of a badly timed server going down notice. I didn't notice right away the pop up was still on the logi screen so my hotkeys didn't work (enter usually closes the pop up). Since I run armor the reps land on the end of the cycle and landed a few ms too slow.

I'm guessing you've not actually used round robin? You won't be hammering the button like a crazy person. You need to be accurate in how many times you press it, it's limited in how quickly it can get between screens, so if you hit it too fast it'll skip clients. But for the most part, there's simply no point in hammering it that fast. You want your input to be slightly staggered anyway, so most round robin users will push it about as fast as that video, maybe a smidge faster. And using a tiled layout he'd skip out on the times his windows overlap in the wrong order and save a bit more time too then.

So you've never used it, yet you claim to know all about it. Mate, I've used both. I know first hand what both round robin and a manual setup are like, and they are identical. Any small errors you make with a manul setup you will also make with round robin, because the vast majority of what you do is also manual.

While yes, they are identical, you will almost never be doing it that fast, and you will rarely be doing it. Take mining as an example as it's the most common use. You'll use it once to activate your defenses and once to activate your lasers when you enter a new field. That's it. After that you will be using each client individually. And when hammering it like a mental person you will be just as likely to hit it one too many or one too few times (or simply have one hit the same client twice which happens if you are hitting a round robin key too quickly) as you will be to do the same in a hover and push setup. In addition you'll generally want your screens slightly staggered anyway, so you'll usually actively pause between presses.

This is the problem, you might understand on a very basic level what a round robin does, but you have no idea how it's actually used in a working environment.

Sigh... It's almost like you don't even bother reading posts. When actually being used from EVE, round robin and a decent manual setup are identical. That is a fact. Neither is more accurate because the vast majority of what you do in both cases is manual. You don't understand how round robin works. You think you just sit there hammering the button as fast as you can and magic happens on the clients. It doesn't.

Lol, OK, if CCP are standing over your shoulder watching what you do, no, they are not identical. But from the detection they have (i.e. not client side), in the actual use cases for the methods, they are identical.

I can, most people can. You swipe your mouse from left to right hitting a button at regular intervals. If you can rub your tummy and pat your head at the same time you have the necessary skills to do it. But it's irrelevant since there's no need to do it.

The problem is you're trying to take the theoretical maximum input rate and use that as the bar for measurement. But that's not the case. If round robin were needed to be used 8 times a second every 5 seconds, then yes, it would eventually show up differently to manual input. But it's not. It's used maybe twice an hour, staggered to leave a gap between your clients for all the other manual control you will need to do that isn't simply "pres butan". So there's no difference between the two.

So we are in agreement that under normal use cases, round robin and manual control are identical, thus manual controlled multiboxers who are too efficient are at risk of being wrongfully banned. Glad to hear it.