EVE General Discussion

Before this change I could solo defend myself from incoming enemies while ice mining in null.

After this change I can no longer do that without being forced to "group up".

So now you are saying ISBoxer does violate the EULA. What on earth have you been moaning about for the past 200 pages for then?.

Just so you know, you are wrong about them violating the EULA, they can be used to violate the EULA. Thats a vey important distinction you should remember.
Does this mean I get the 1 Billion isk you promised earlier in the thread?

They are in fact nothing alike. Botting is about enabling the PC to play independently without requiring human interaction, ISBoxer has absolutely no features to do this.

bullshit incoming?

you can target each box at a time
you can press only F1 to trigger F1 in client 1
or you can press F1 to F3 for all 3 clients to get the command.

no macros
no broadcasting
no eula violation.

simple windows keyboard layout.
if ccp is going to ban anyone else for that they can also ban changeable keymaps for the russians cause they do that language switch all the time between english and kyrillic.

if you read that flowchart correctly you would have noticed that they mean sending ONE data point to multiple clients at once.
i am sending ONE data point to ONE client at a time.
i am just using my natural born 10 fingers to do that for 10 boxes at nearly the same time.

now go ahead and blame me for using 10 fingers..
i am waiting.

I think you are confused. By at the same time, they mean with the same keypress. If you press F1 and it presses F1 in 4 clients, that's at the same time. In a setup where F1 does F1 on C1 and F2 does F1 on C2, etc, this is not the same time. I doubt CCP have a policy against global keybinds which is what you are saying.

Edit: Oh and point of note, you are supposedly not allowed to bind 1 key to multiple keys in 1 client either, so you can;t bind F1 to do F1,F2,F3...F8 all at the same time on one client. You can however hit F1-F8 all with your fingers at the same time though, which while technically allowed will show as a macro to CCP, so your fingers are in fact a bannable offense if you use them too efficiently.

According to randoms flowchart, both VFX and round robin are completely acceptable, and yet CCP have confirmed that's not the case, so I'd take randoms flowchart wit ha pinch of salt.

Amusingly though, it's irrelevant. Even if you click between clients pressing F1 into each window, you can still get banned since they have no way of telling if you are using round robin or switching between clients. What it boils down to is "if you are too efficient at multiboxing, you will be banned". Even better, it may be months down the line that ban occurs, and when it does you lose all of your isk too since they are running this under the bot policy not the cheat policy. Then even better than that, if they falsely ban you and refuse to believe that you weren't in fact using tools, your play data gets added to their detection profiles which makes it more likely that they catch a manual multiboxer next time.

See the people disagreeing (4070)are the people who claim CCP is banning people unfairly or for no reason.

They do not understand Eve's EULA/TOS & other policies and how they relate to third party programs.

Eve's EULA/TOS & other policies
Also to help you understand it.
Fanfest security presentation
CCP Random's flowchart

When reading and watching, don't presume they mean something they don't actually say.

Edit: I wonder how many players have been banned because you lot keep saying actions which clearly violate Eve's EULA/TOS & other policies are in fact ok to use.

I can't believe how many times this thread goes full circle...

To those who say that ISBoxer has no advantages over using multiple clients or boxes and manually switching clients/boxes to play, then what are you complaining about? Stop using ISBoxer if it's not giving you any advantage. If you WANT to keep using it, then obviously there is an advantage to using it which makes it unfair towards those who don't, otherwise, you yourself wouldn't use it. Also, comparing a single player that is running a fleet to multiple players in a fleet does not make sense, which brings me to my next point.

To those who say they can't defend themselves against groups of people: MAKE FRIENDS! In case you haven't noticed, there are other people playing Eve that you can interact with so you too can also join a fleet or corp. If you can't make friends, then that's your personal social issue that you need to work on.

To those crying that CCP changed rules: So what if they did? They CAN if they want to. IRL new laws and rules are created all the time, and existing rules can change. Complain all you want to the police about how stupid the new law is but you'll still have to pay for it. If a speed limit on a road gets lowered and you continue to drive at the old posted speed, you'll still get pulled over and ticketed for speeding, no matter how much crying you do about how the new limit is too low so you want to keep driving the old limit...

To anyone disagreeing with me or with CCP's rules, and just can't get it through their heads that this change is happening: Quit the game! There are many other games to play out there, Eve is not the only one. So if you don't like it, go away and play something else. Agreeing with the EULA is not required, however, if you want to play, you must agree to it. It's your choice.



Funny, because read here:
CCP Third Party Policies



Don't know about the other stuff, all I know is TeamSpeak and EFT, but seeing the Windows Aero made me LOL as you're grasping at straws now. And to be honest, I didn't even know that TS3 did overlays. And EFT doesn't interact with the Eve client, so I don't know why that's listed... Might as well list spreadsheets too if that's where you're going with it, along with pen and paper... Regardless, that was not my point in this post, my point is everything above the first quote...

I don't see how you think that CCP considers group play to be better than solo play. You can still easily play solo. I have a couple characters that do, and aren't in corps with anyone. You can play solo and mine, or explore, refine and build, the options are many. However, if you plan to go into more hostile territory like mining in nullsec for example, it's probably best to go with some friends, but hey, that's your choice. If you decide to go mine in nullsec alone, then you're choosing to take that risk, and you should probably stab up. Same goes with anything else, like exploring wormholes for example. If you plan on doing so, it's best to have a fast and/or cloaky ship to minimize the risk. If you plan on taking a Bowhead full of ships across null/lowsec unescorted, that's your choice. Common sense really.

Want to PvP? That's fine too, and it's not hard to find solo PvP'ers in nullsec, and avoid large groups, except sometimes gate camps, but even those are avoidable and can be escaped easily enough if you know what you're doing and you're fitted properly. Seeing a single person in local and finding him is a pretty safe engagement, but if local starts filling fast, then it's time to GTFO. Want to PvP in larger engagements with fleets? Then find a fleet. There's even a built-in fleet finder in Eve itself...

Eve has always been a multiplayer game where you can team up and (insert gameplay pastime here), so I don't know what the issue is with needing to play solo and ONLY solo. Fleets and Corps' are not new, and most MMORPG's have their own versions (Guilds or whatever). Using some software to help you control your own fleet in an easier way than doing it manually is pretty lame IMO, and has the same honor in killing as shooting someone in the back, or back stabbing, whichever you prefer. I also don't see why people who do this think they're superior in the game. Most boxers have all their characters look similar and have similar names, so it's quite obvious on the KB when you see all parties involved that killed a single guy, and it just makes them look like a coward.

If you're really hard set on playing solo, there's plenty of other space games out there that aren't online and don't even require an internet connection. Then you can do what you want and you won't be bothered by other real players in the game, and vice versa.

Sadly this is the reason why I record my runs. I've got my VG site times down to a pretty reasonable level so it might only be a matter of time now.




I have but that doesn't mean I won't be banned for using tools that I'm not actually using. False positives are an issue and that's why some continue this discussion.

Don't bring in real life in that manner in relation to eve as it makes no sense. My counter to your silly scenario is the law that was passed in Indiana. Notice how complaints lead to a "revision" which in reality is a massive change to the law to address the complaints. So "crying" (using your word) resulted in the law being massively changed. Not exactly in line with what your "point" tried to be.

Look man if you want to be herded blindly along while refusing to use the voice that CCP gave you to use then that's fine. Just don't rag on people for utilizing the tools that CCP gave them in order to do what CCP intended when they created the forums and this post.

My point is that this thread is here to discuss the changes. THe forums were created for feedback purposes. Sometimes that feedback is positive and sometimes it's negative or as you call it "crying". Yelling at everyone to just shut up and keep their opinions to themselves runs counter to the very reason this forum exists.

If you want to just call the people crybabies and move on then that might be more productive.