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Update regarding Multiboxing and input automation

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TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#3861 - 2015-03-24 14:49:52 UTC
Aru Kacbis Danvill wrote:
Vicrodhe Lemmont wrote:
Aru Kacbis Danvill wrote:
It is possible to sue CCP currently under american law; [UCC, view; Deceit, Entrapment, False advertisement] So... if anyone is interested in a mass tort.


What do you think they have done that would allow you to take this course of action ?



Deceit / Entrapment / False advertisement involving Power Of 2, among other issues like; being banned for using a operating softwares built in abilitys [aero]... among a few more. [go read up on UCC law, commonly known as trade law.]


Please get the f*ck out and take your bullsh*t with you.

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kraken11 jensen
ROOKS AND KRAKENS
#3862 - 2015-03-24 15:12:23 UTC  |  Edited by: kraken11 jensen
This is not something I have written, but something someone did write in response to someone that thought multiboxing was cheating, and that it should be limited to 1 account per ip. (with like 12 slots max on one account)

This was 1 off the responses to his post,
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So easy to bypass it's not even worth trying. Simple solution is connect second, and subsequent accounts, through VPNs, and voila, seperate IPs for each account.

Besides, your post makes it pretty obvious that you have no clue how much work it is to multibox at that level, experienced multiboxers just make it look easy. If a player wants to dedicate the time to learn how to multibox like that, I say let them reap the benefits of that dedication, rather than try to restrict them to your ability level simply because you don't think it's fair. If you want to play a game where everything is fair, you're in the wrong place. This is EvE, where the strong and capable thrive while the weak and inept go back to WoW.
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-Link to where it's taken from

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=388628

Edit: Lol
Vicrodhe Lemmont
N-C-i-S
#3863 - 2015-03-24 16:11:05 UTC
Aru Kacbis Danvill wrote:
Vicrodhe Lemmont wrote:
Aru Kacbis Danvill wrote:
It is possible to sue CCP currently under american law; [UCC, view; Deceit, Entrapment, False advertisement] So... if anyone is interested in a mass tort.


What do you think they have done that would allow you to take this course of action ?



Deceit / Entrapment / False advertisement involving Power Of 2, among other issues like; being banned for using a operating softwares built in abilitys [aero]... among a few more. [go read up on UCC law, commonly known as trade law.]



How have they been "Deceit / Entrapment / False advertisement" with the power of 2?

And have you been banned for something which against the Eula or have they banned you unfairly?
Charadrass
Angry Germans
#3864 - 2015-03-24 16:13:14 UTC
kraken11 jensen wrote:
This is not something I have written, but something someone did write in response to someone that thought multiboxing was cheating, and that it should be limited to 1 account per ip. (with like 12 slots max on one account)

This was 1 off the responses to his post,
____________________________________________________________________________________________________

So easy to bypass it's not even worth trying. Simple solution is connect second, and subsequent accounts, through VPNs, and voila, seperate IPs for each account.

Besides, your post makes it pretty obvious that you have no clue how much work it is to multibox at that level, experienced multiboxers just make it look easy. If a player wants to dedicate the time to learn how to multibox like that, I say let them reap the benefits of that dedication, rather than try to restrict them to your ability level simply because you don't think it's fair. If you want to play a game where everything is fair, you're in the wrong place. This is EvE, where the strong and capable thrive while the weak and inept go back to WoW.
____________________________________________________________________________________________________




-Link to where it's taken from

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=388628

Edit: Lol


good definition of a multiboxer :)
Charadrass
Angry Germans
#3865 - 2015-03-24 19:48:51 UTC
If you don't want to buy an extra keypad or a Touchscreen.
changing the language of Windows should solve your Problem

https://msdn.microsoft.com/de-de/goglobal/bb964665

you can create a new language file with the keymaps you Need.
and you can simply load them into the language Switch functionality from Windows.

board Software. not third Party.
should be not violating the eula.

Aru Kacbis Danvill
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#3866 - 2015-03-24 22:05:08 UTC
Chara you have no idea how funny that is; who would've thought windows would have key maps huh? Lololol

http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/2z1dn6/isboxer_essay/

https://scontent-atl.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/11037717_10202501843106735_4596834953263635890_n.jpg?oh=940016d62d1e31a87ecc7362438ee1c6&oe=557244E3

Yep..

Kinete Jenius
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#3867 - 2015-03-24 22:19:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Kinete Jenius
Aru Kacbis Danvill wrote:
Chara you have no idea how funny that is; who would've thought windows would have key maps huh? Lololol

Windows has all kinds of functions that CCP doesn't seem to know about. Most tricks are related to "ease of use" stuff.


I have my setup working with tachmares but I haven't had time to get a rhythm going yet so no videos for the public on that one yet.
Charadrass
Angry Germans
#3868 - 2015-03-24 22:29:08 UTC
the question is if ccp sees Windows as third Party or not.
i think i remember a posting about Windows not beeing third Party to the eula.
Aru Kacbis Danvill
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#3869 - 2015-03-24 22:51:04 UTC
Prolly is since they banned using windows aero /sarc

http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/2z1dn6/isboxer_essay/

https://scontent-atl.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/11037717_10202501843106735_4596834953263635890_n.jpg?oh=940016d62d1e31a87ecc7362438ee1c6&oe=557244E3

Yep..

Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#3870 - 2015-03-25 03:39:21 UTC
Charadrass wrote:
the question is if ccp sees Windows as third Party or not.
i think i remember a posting about Windows not beeing third Party to the eula.


You should just give up, because at this point it's apparent to everyone here that you're grasping for straws.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Kinete Jenius
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#3871 - 2015-03-25 04:05:31 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Charadrass wrote:
the question is if ccp sees Windows as third Party or not.
i think i remember a posting about Windows not beeing third Party to the eula.


You should just give up, because at this point it's apparent to everyone here that you're grasping for straws.

So it's grasping for straws to ask if Windows is now considered a third party program that is against the EULA?
Aru Kacbis Danvill
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#3872 - 2015-03-25 05:08:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Aru Kacbis Danvill
Kinete Jenius wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Charadrass wrote:
the question is if ccp sees Windows as third Party or not.
i think i remember a posting about Windows not beeing third Party to the eula.


You should just give up, because at this point it's apparent to everyone here that you're grasping for straws.

So it's grasping for straws to ask if Windows is now considered a third party program that is against the EULA?



Apparently so. I guess asking reasonable questions is this lil guys definition [wrong by the way, google : define grasping at straws] of grasping at straws. heh. funny.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/2z1dn6/isboxer_essay/

https://scontent-atl.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/11037717_10202501843106735_4596834953263635890_n.jpg?oh=940016d62d1e31a87ecc7362438ee1c6&oe=557244E3

Yep..

Charadrass
Angry Germans
#3873 - 2015-03-25 08:28:36 UTC
Actually the Russians gave me the idea, cause they switch between cyrillic and english keymaps all the time.
so it has to be allowed by ccp.
otherwise putin will conquer iceland :P

no. so switching keymaps is allowed.
switching into your own keymap is nothing different then.
Nolak Ataru
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#3874 - 2015-03-25 12:21:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Nolak Ataru
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Charadrass wrote:
the question is if ccp sees Windows as third Party or not.
i think i remember a posting about Windows not beeing third Party to the eula.

You should just give up, because at this point it's apparent to everyone here that you're grasping for straws.

If anyone's grasping for straws, it's CCP declaring that ISBoxer interacts with the client via VideoFX, broadcasting, at window management while allowing EVE-O Preview. '

Hint: They don't, unless you want to declare video capture software banned as well as the OS-level function "on mouse focus switch window". ISBoxer does not do anything that was intended to be covered in 6A2, and CCP needs to know that.
Aru Kacbis Danvill
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#3875 - 2015-03-25 20:31:50 UTC
Vicrodhe Lemmont wrote:
Aru Kacbis Danvill wrote:
Vicrodhe Lemmont wrote:
Aru Kacbis Danvill wrote:
It is possible to sue CCP currently under american law; [UCC, view; Deceit, Entrapment, False advertisement] So... if anyone is interested in a mass tort.


What do you think they have done that would allow you to take this course of action ?



Deceit / Entrapment / False advertisement involving Power Of 2, among other issues like; being banned for using a operating softwares built in abilitys [aero]... among a few more. [go read up on UCC law, commonly known as trade law.]



How have they been "Deceit / Entrapment / False advertisement" with the power of 2?

And have you been banned for something which against the Eula or have they banned you unfairly?

Yes; they've banned pretty much any efficient multiboxer and some methods which come from windows (operating system) and still refuse to communicate to their (most loyal) customer group. Just sayin.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/2z1dn6/isboxer_essay/

https://scontent-atl.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/11037717_10202501843106735_4596834953263635890_n.jpg?oh=940016d62d1e31a87ecc7362438ee1c6&oe=557244E3

Yep..

Rosewalker
Khumaak Flying Circus
#3876 - 2015-03-26 00:20:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Rosewalker
Nolak Ataru wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Charadrass wrote:
the question is if ccp sees Windows as third Party or not.
i think i remember a posting about Windows not beeing third Party to the eula.

You should just give up, because at this point it's apparent to everyone here that you're grasping for straws.

If anyone's grasping for straws, it's CCP declaring that ISBoxer interacts with the client via VideoFX, broadcasting, at window management while allowing EVE-O Preview. '

Hint: They don't, unless you want to declare video capture software banned as well as the OS-level function "on mouse focus switch window". ISBoxer does not do anything that was intended to be covered in 6A2, and CCP needs to know that.


Could you please provide the link to that? I'd like to add it to my collection of links on the subject since I seemed to have missed that one.

To my knowledge, the objection in 6A2 is that those things change the way the game is played, not any deep technical reason. If you look at the recap slide at the end, they specifically mention 6A2 and push 6A3 to the side.

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Lee Sin Priest
Doomheim
#3877 - 2015-03-26 00:53:52 UTC
video fx banned?
Nolak Ataru
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#3878 - 2015-03-26 00:59:23 UTC
Rosewalker wrote:
Nolak Ataru wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Charadrass wrote:
the question is if ccp sees Windows as third Party or not.
i think i remember a posting about Windows not beeing third Party to the eula.

You should just give up, because at this point it's apparent to everyone here that you're grasping for straws.

If anyone's grasping for straws, it's CCP declaring that ISBoxer interacts with the client via VideoFX, broadcasting, at window management while allowing EVE-O Preview. '

Hint: They don't, unless you want to declare video capture software banned as well as the OS-level function "on mouse focus switch window". ISBoxer does not do anything that was intended to be covered in 6A2, and CCP needs to know that.


Could you please provide the link to that? I'd like to add it to my collection of links on the subject since I seemed to have missed that one.
To my knowledge, the objection in 6A2 is that those things change the way the game is played, not any deep technical reason. If you look at the recap slide at the end, they specifically mention 6A2 and push 6A3 to the side.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=389086 Here.
The objection via 6A2 (that it somehow changes the way the game is played) is nonsense and should have been laughed out of the office by Team Security. ISBoxer doesn't change the way the game is played any more than having multiple monitors, or having your windows tiled, or using virtual desktops, or even having multiple clients running. There is no basis for banning ISBoxer's tools and functions while not touching EVE-O Preview, Mumble Overlay, TS3 overlay, and Steam Overlay, as well as multiple clients at a time.
I'm suddenly reminded that at least one CCP and one CSM member declared an interest for one client per IP, or one client per person.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#3879 - 2015-03-26 01:33:35 UTC
Nolak Ataru wrote:
ISBoxer doesn't change the way the game is played any more than having multiple monitors, or having your windows tiled, or using virtual desktops, or even having multiple clients running.


Do you think anyone believes that lie anymore?

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Nolak Ataru
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#3880 - 2015-03-26 01:58:23 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Nolak Ataru wrote:
ISBoxer doesn't change the way the game is played any more than having multiple monitors, or having your windows tiled, or using virtual desktops, or even having multiple clients running.

Do you think anyone believes that lie anymore?

You have yet to provide any evidence contrary, so yes. I will continue to spread the truth until CCP decides they want to become a complete totalitarian entity and ban my account for daring to speak the truth contrary to the popular rhetoric.