EVE General Discussion

Except they are banning people if you're too efficient at using isboxer. Anything that gives "similar" results as a repeater is bannable now as per some of the GM responses. So if you're too quick with isboxer you're banned. At this point you might even get banned for being too quick in windowed mode.

So you've created this wonderful strawman to bat down but you haven't even responded to a thing I typed out.


My issue is that GMs have straight said that if you're being too efficient it's bannable regardless of what you're using to multibox (windowed mode, isboxer, whatever).

You claim.

And personally, every single time I've asked for any proof of this supposed innocence, Nolak has spun so fast that he enters a different time zone.

Besides, if you're actually telling the truth and people are still getting banned... why haven't you knocked it off yet? Why are you so dead set on this?

No.

If they have posted "proof" there, it's just as easy to post it here. If you literally have pictures of some guy streaming himself NOT using anything bannable, then nothing stops you posting them here. (although, the last video I saw linked in this thread showed a guy who was justifiably banned for macroing, by the way)




Because it's cheating. It provides an unfair advantage for the player using it. CCP finally accepted that for themselves, despite years of being entrenched otherwise.

You can't just say "Nuh uh!" to CCP's decree on the matter. That's not how this works, and it's hardly a fallacy by the way, it's merely a fact that happens to be rather inconvenient for you.

You mean besides CCP's ban on such information being shared on these forums? Then yes, I agree it's just as easy to post here.


FINALLY we're getting somewhere. What sort of unfair advantage do you believe it gives to a player? Please be specific.


Except I haven't been saying "nuh uh", you have been. I've written an essay on the topic and have tried to get a solid reason from anyone on this forum or in this thread as to why it should be banned without using a fallacy or an insult.

Input Broadcasting's Unfair Advantage:
Normal Fleet 20 people- FC" primary is 123 everyone target 123 primary 123." 20 people have to find 123 and target then point and attack. roughly 5 seconds maybe less or more for all 20 to target him.

Multi box fleet- Turn on input broadcast all target 123. All do this with in milliseconds from each other.

Huge gain in this as you can see you dont have to rely on others to target as you know that 90% of the time all 20 will target that guy.

Round Robin:
Round robin does send 1 command to 1 client but at will send that command as fast as you can click or activate that shortcut. So you can send 1 command to 20 accounts seperetly yes but with in milliseconds.

Huge gain as a normal fleet will some times take 1 to 5 seconds yet again to activate the modules.


Honestly if you used the Input Broadcasting and Round Robin features there should be no argument on why they banned it. The argument is for them to be more open about whats now allowed.

You forgot the other side of the scenario that goes with your little justification.

Normal fleet, of 20 identifies FC of multibox fleet 5 seconds for the 20 to lock the opposing FC and shoot.
Multibox fleet is now stranded on grid with 20 individuals (controlled by an FC calling targets) shooting at multibox fleet which has no controlling FC and are essentially sitting ducks.

Yes input broadcasting = bad but there are 2 sides to your scenario and the other side does not favor the multiboxer.
Scenario 2; Gang of 10 Ishtars lands on grid vs a 20 man multibox fleet - Drones assigned, small gang FC primaries Multibox FC, ALL 10 Ishtars fire at once = End of multibox fleet (with no chance of them firing on any of the Ishtars). A 20 man Ishtar fleet is going to destroy the multiboxer even faster as 2 from that fleet can alpha strike separate targets.

Yes input broadcasting is bad but is only presented as doom and gloom because players only complain when they lose and never mention the amount of times the multiboxer loses.

Round Robin, when used without 3rd party software, is no less a legitimate play style than 10 players assigning drones to a squad commander. In fact those using assigned drones have a far greater advantage than the multiboxer using round robin.

And you once more demonstrate your dedication to being obtuse.

You can post your "proof" on these forums, if you have what you've repeatedly claimed you have. Otherwise, you have nothing to begin with and you're just bitching about GM tickets telling you that, yes, you were breaking the rules.

Which everyone here already knew.




No, nor did I claim that in any way, shape or form. Blowing it up into an absurdity is not a good argument tactic, and it's patently obvious besides.

Alt tabbing is fine, as has been demonstrated numerous times in this thread. I alt tab all the time.

Cry more.

There it is, that's the part I absolutely do not believe. I've seen people claim that a few times since the year began, and all were using macros or other such.

I know I said I was leaving, but I like you Charadrass and I can see you really want to help the multi-box community to not break the EULA/TOS and not get banned.

So I'm going to explain why people are still getting caught and you are not going to agree, but I promise you this is the reason.

Its the 'Dashboard' type set ups. The ones where different parts of a clients UI are moved around so they can all be seen on the same screen at the same time. It doesn't matter how people do this it could be part of your operating system, it could be Isboxer, it could be a video editing program.


Link and emphasis is mine.


emphasis mine again.

You notice CCP Falcon clarifies the second bullet point. He says 'EVE Online client' not parts of the client or windows position within the Eve Online client. He refers to the client in your desktop environment, the whole client.

How can CCP tell if people are doing this. Well they can monitor your computer for programs which allow these modifications but almost every computer will have some sort of program that can do it.

Some people foolishly post videos of there setup and if CCP see it they have their proof.

There is also the matter of people claiming they are being banned for being to efficient or good. What better way for CCP to detect 'dashboard' set ups. In a video of a multi-boxer I saw him activate the guns on 8 (may be 10) clients and the Remote Reps on his 2 logis all in the space of approx 3-4 secs. That is not possible unless you have a 'dashboard' set up. This would be fairly simple for CCP to monitor.

Now I know lots of people will disagree, I know Nolak Ataru will dissect every last word and try to create an argument.

You have to understand that CCP saying its ok to use program X, does not mean its ok to use program X to break the EULA/TOS.
You have to understand that CCP can choose not to enforce the EULA. They did this a few years ago when the head of CCPs security came on the forums and said cache scrapping broke the EULA/TOS.

So if they catch someone with a 'dashboard' set up they can ban them. If they then come across someone using the exact same program to obscure parts of the UI on their live stream, CCP can choose not to ban them.



I see 2 possibilities straight away (I'm sure there are more)
1. They are getting round to banning the rest.
2. The one guy who got banned changed the set up or was also doing something else.

I'm more than happy to enter a discussion with anybody in an attempt to stop people being banned inadvertently but I have no interest in people who are only looking for an argument.

ISBoxer does not touch the EVE client unless you want to interpret it in such a way as to ban Fraps and Twitch which will make many people unhappy.


Bzzzt, wrong. All you have to do is tile your windows, configure your OS to focus a window on mouse-over, and then slide your mouse across while spamming F1 or whatever your button is.


We understand that, and we have asked time and time again on twitter, in emails, and in tickets about aspects of ISBoxer directly, not to mention looking at that CCP Dev's gif, and we were informed that only Input Broadcasting / Multiplication was banned at the time. We were then banned for rollovers and Round Robin afterwards, and now any ticket we send in get's a copy/paste reply telling us to look at the thread, when CCP Falcon in the thread told us to submit a ticket.
I was there when they talked about cache scraping, and I remember CCP catching a lot of flak over it, and a lot of backpedaling on their part.


That's called "double standards", and it's the sort of thing that got CCP in trouble with Somer Blink and to a lesser degree T20.


3. CCP has admitted they have no method to detect input broadcasting from roundrobin and rollovers after repeated promises that they do, and are thus swinging the banhammer wildly.

Today I Learned: Asking someone to back up or support a statement they made is a Very Bad Thing. News at 11.