EVE General Discussion

Go vote for one of the people who support cheating, then.

I am glad to see CSM candidates taking a stand on things like this.

Oh, sure. Luckily we were recently given the final word on the matter.

The really funny part is how people are linking the "dual boxing" site and the testimonials on it as proof of anything.

Personally, I'd like to see a CCP or at least unbiased source on how many people have actually been banned for simple dual boxing. Because I do that myself, and I've never even gotten so much as a GM warning for it.

It seems to me, like these people were banned for a greater offense than they're letting on, and trying to cry innocent. Some of them are obvious botters, what's more.

The message was clear from the start: Stop giving yourself an unfair advantage with the ISBoxer program.

Apparently that's not clear enough for some people.

From folks I have spoken to, CCP is preferring to be ambiguous on the matter of Round Robin input. I would guess that silence is a way of not explicitly condoning, but not explicitly removing from the game.

This sort of grey area is, in my opinion, a very risky thing to be in. But each person has their own choices to make about their own accounts, right?

Not in the game client, no.

Why is this so hard for you? Are you that dead set on keeping this unfair advantage? I mean, it should be pretty simple for you. Don't use ISBoxer anymore. For anything. Run multiple instances of the client without a central control function, and you are 100% safe.

No one has ever been banned for alt tabbing, no matter how some of you are trying to claim that the sky is falling.

I don't have to. CCP banned it for such.




EFT does not directly effect the game client. Neither does EVE Central, or DotLan, or whatever else you want to bring up.

It's literally apples and oranges at this point. You keep pointing to things like that as though they offer any defense to blatantly cheating. But they don't.

*facepalm* No, they banned it because Corebloodbrother whined and cried enough to get them to ban it.



Sorry, but if using VideoFX to arrange your windows and make things easier on a single monitor is cheating, so is using multiple monitors.
Pyfa provides a marked advantage over someone who isn't using it as it allows a player to test multiple fits without spending ISK buying modules or implants that wouldn't work.
EVEMon allows a player to calculate the fastest training time with a pre-set attribute setting, and it allows a player to optimize years of training with perfectly placed attribute remaps. Players without such a program cannot shave years off their plan and optimize their training without lots of paper and pencil math and calculation. Additionally EVEMon allows you to input a specific fit and it will calculate all the skills you need for that fit and will optimize your attribute remaps.
Fuzzworks lets a player see where to spend his LP and on what in order to squeeze the most ISK out of his LP. A player without Fuzzworks would have to spend much longer checking market orders in order to obtain the same ISK / LP ratio.
EVE Central lets a player spend the least amount of ISK on a fit or skillbooks in the entire EVE Universe because he is able to find the cheapest market orders in the universe.
Of course, I posted all this before, but you chose to not read the thread.

Yeah, there sure wasn't anyone else complaining about it for the last few years...





Do not effect the game client directly.

If you mean the weekly "wah some multiboxer stole my asteroids" threads, the "wah someone ganked my AFK freighter that had 20b worth of blue loot in it" threads, or (and this is my favorite) the one from Corebloodbrother where he said "wah my PVP fleet that was sitting on a planet 100% AFK got bombed" thread in GD, good one. I needed a chuckle. Those threads were summarily debunked and laughed out of GD as being full of fallacies, incorrect information, and outright lying.


Except they do affect the EVE universe as mentioned previously. Please re-read.
Neither does VideoFX. It uses Windows Aero, a Microsoft application / program / service.

There is no room for belief or disbelief in the ruling. It stands as is. We can doubt the reasoning sure, but the fact of the decision remains and is not altered by whether you think they were truthful about the process. Your analogy to the whether channel would only make sense if they actually had the capacity to make the sky red. CCP is the authority on what is fair, thus what they say is unfair is unfair.

And no, I had no statement regarding the act of ships moving in unison, rather controlling characters (plural) directly, or to be more specific, in a manner that one would only be able to control a single character without outside tools. I think you know that though and are purposefully redirecting.

As to the programs, it's not an advantage as in ANY advantage that is bad, which appears to be the point of logical failure for you. It's an advantage as in one specific advantage, and not to be combined with the idea of all advantages. Doing so evidences faulty logic based upon intentional misinterpretation. Nowhere has it been stated that all advantages should be removed, nor has it been even hinted at that this is advantageous. That is an argument of your own manufacture.

As to the last part, see again, without the actual authority to make the statement a reality, like say the full control of the EULA and TOS of the game, which CCP has, your statement is in no way equivalent. CCN doesn't have the power to factually redefine individuals, though they may act as if they do, and as such can't be compared with CCP's control over the rules of the game. If you want clarification sure, ask, I have a petition in right now, but attacking other tools with fabricated arguments isn't requesting clarification.