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Basil Pupkin
Republic Military School
#3501 - 2015-02-26 13:28:54 UTC
Where is that pal who told me goonies are not crying about this issue about 80 pages ago? I wanna see him.

Being teh freightergankbear automatically puts you below missionbear and minerbear in carebear hierarchy.

If you're about to make "this will make eve un-eve" argument, odds are you are defending some utterly horrible mechanics against a good change.
Nolak Ataru
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#3502 - 2015-02-26 16:01:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Nolak Ataru
Basil Pupkin wrote:
Where is that pal who told me goonies are not crying about this issue about 80 pages ago? I wanna see him.

TIL: pointing out actual faults and criticisms of a company's latest policy that lets GMs swing the banhammer willy-nilly and redirect them to a thread where Developers told people to ask in a ticket = crying.

e: I'll be honest, I forgot I was in GS for a minute there....
Basil Pupkin
Republic Military School
#3503 - 2015-02-26 16:08:22 UTC
Nolak Ataru wrote:
Basil Pupkin wrote:
Where is that pal who told me goonies are not crying about this issue about 80 pages ago? I wanna see him.

TIL: pointing out actual faults and criticisms of a company's latest policy that lets GMs swing the banhammer willy-nilly and redirect them to a thread where Developers told people to ask in a ticket = crying.

No no no, it's what I were doing.
What he were doing is assuring me that entire goonswarm and pets support this change, and thread in general (and first 4 pages of it in particular) contain no posts which can be qualified as "tears" (both obviously wrong).

And yes, you goonies don't do that either. You just cry like you usually do.
In the first 4 pages you can find one "back to wow" post, a few "unsubscribing" posts, and even one "imma delete my toonies" post. All belong to goonies. I call that crying. How do you call that?

Being teh freightergankbear automatically puts you below missionbear and minerbear in carebear hierarchy.

If you're about to make "this will make eve un-eve" argument, odds are you are defending some utterly horrible mechanics against a good change.
Delt0r Garsk
Shits N Giggles
#3504 - 2015-02-26 16:11:48 UTC
ashley Eoner wrote:



HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAH oh god help us if this dude really is a programmer.

As for the banning aspect at the end of your post all I can say is "you must be new......"

If you see the replies i gave and his responses, yea i am guessing he just learned what task manager is.

AKA the scientist.

Death and Glory!

Well fun is also good.
Nolak Ataru
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#3505 - 2015-02-26 18:21:17 UTC
Basil Pupkin wrote:
Nolak Ataru wrote:
Basil Pupkin wrote:
Where is that pal who told me goonies are not crying about this issue about 80 pages ago? I wanna see him.

TIL: pointing out actual faults and criticisms of a company's latest policy that lets GMs swing the banhammer willy-nilly and redirect them to a thread where Developers told people to ask in a ticket = crying.

No no no, it's what I were doing.
What he were doing is assuring me that entire goonswarm and pets support this change, and thread in general (and first 4 pages of it in particular) contain no posts which can be qualified as "tears" (both obviously wrong).

And yes, you goonies don't do that either. You just cry like you usually do.
In the first 4 pages you can find one "back to wow" post, a few "unsubscribing" posts, and even one "imma delete my toonies" post. All belong to goonies. I call that crying. How do you call that?


Oh, you're on the first dozen pages. I apologize. I'll wait until you hit the current page then. Please reply when you do.
Charadrass
Angry Germans
#3506 - 2015-02-26 20:46:39 UTC
so a program started with user rights can see my admin processes in Windows.
orly
where is that wannabeprogrammer.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#3507 - 2015-02-26 23:26:14 UTC
Nolak Ataru wrote:
Basil Pupkin wrote:
Nolak Ataru wrote:
Basil Pupkin wrote:
Where is that pal who told me goonies are not crying about this issue about 80 pages ago? I wanna see him.

TIL: pointing out actual faults and criticisms of a company's latest policy that lets GMs swing the banhammer willy-nilly and redirect them to a thread where Developers told people to ask in a ticket = crying.

No no no, it's what I were doing.
What he were doing is assuring me that entire goonswarm and pets support this change, and thread in general (and first 4 pages of it in particular) contain no posts which can be qualified as "tears" (both obviously wrong).

And yes, you goonies don't do that either. You just cry like you usually do.
In the first 4 pages you can find one "back to wow" post, a few "unsubscribing" posts, and even one "imma delete my toonies" post. All belong to goonies. I call that crying. How do you call that?


Oh, you're on the first dozen pages. I apologize. I'll wait until you hit the current page then. Please reply when you do.

I didn't even know there was a unified position on this that I was supposed to be taking...

One moment while I check in with the local Party branch to be informed about said unified position on this that I was supposed to be taking...

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
JGar Rooflestein
Thunderwaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#3508 - 2015-02-27 00:04:55 UTC
Bethan Le Troix wrote:
Drizzd wrote:
ashley Eoner wrote:
Jallukola wrote:
^
Perharps, still delighted that normal alt-multitasking is green.

For now but I wouldn't bet on it lasting long as there is at least one CSM member who is so rabid at hating boxers that he considers having more then one account as cheating. Yes as in the same as botting etc. At least one CCP member seems to agree with him...


funny thing though that the CSM member you refer to admits using at least 3 accounts - thus breaking his own self-esteemed rules



The average is two to three accounts per person in EVE. So the person you talk about is the same as the rest of us and he/she is in good company. On the other hand most of us don't afk multi-account using ISBoxer type software. Smile



Them stopping people from having alts won't happen. How are you going to stop someone from making multiple accounts? Restrict the number of clients connecting from that IP? That'll suck for those families that have 4-5 people playing under 1 roof. They stop from doing that it'll be a huge loss on their end.

As for CCP monitoring your programs running...what a joke.

-JGar "Great man once said nothing."
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#3509 - 2015-02-27 06:38:00 UTC
Alts online is the way to go.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
corebloodbrothers
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#3510 - 2015-02-27 09:40:31 UTC
Move on? So much more fun stuff hitting eve s future to focus energy on, new player experience, new sov, rebalancing ishtar online, fanfest, china versus free world eve, ton of devblogs aimed at the future versus going over and over ccp actions versus inout broadcasting.

From what we have seen no unjust bans, and the guys who did get one know why. Same goes for botting. The harder users say it didnt give them a benefit over others and keep whining, the more it shows it did give on.

If the majority of players would be in favor of this crap, then run a csm member, as you shoudl easily get thousands of votes right...
If not, then its a storm in a glass of water really

Look at the future ratehr then ***** about the past, be positive, as much as i love the tears in my email about it, tweetimg i killed isboxer helps me actually getting votes, thnx for that

Greetz
Core
Csm9 csmx candidate
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#3511 - 2015-02-27 13:04:02 UTC
corebloodbrothers wrote:
Move on? So much more fun stuff hitting eve s future to focus energy on, new player experience, new sov, rebalancing ishtar online, fanfest, china versus free world eve, ton of devblogs aimed at the future versus going over and over ccp actions versus inout broadcasting.

From what we have seen no unjust bans, and the guys who did get one know why. Same goes for botting. The harder users say it didnt give them a benefit over others and keep whining, the more it shows it did give on.

If the majority of players would be in favor of this crap, then run a csm member, as you shoudl easily get thousands of votes right...
If not, then its a storm in a glass of water really

Look at the future ratehr then ***** about the past, be positive, as much as i love the tears in my email about it, tweetimg i killed isboxer helps me actually getting votes, thnx for that

Greetz
Core
Csm9 csmx candidate


You just got my vote.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Nolak Ataru
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#3512 - 2015-02-27 14:27:48 UTC
corebloodbrothers wrote:
Move on? So much more fun stuff hitting eve s future to focus energy on, new player experience, new sov, rebalancing ishtar online, fanfest, china versus free world eve, ton of devblogs aimed at the future versus going over and over ccp actions versus inout broadcasting.
From what we have seen no unjust bans, and the guys who did get one know why. Same goes for botting. The harder users say it didnt give them a benefit over others and keep whining, the more it shows it did give on.
If the majority of players would be in favor of this crap, then run a csm member, as you shoudl easily get thousands of votes right...
If not, then its a storm in a glass of water really
Look at the future ratehr then ***** about the past, be positive, as much as i love the tears in my email about it, tweetimg i killed isboxer helps me actually getting votes, thnx for that
Greetz
Core


Stop comparing ISBoxing and botting. Two completely different things. If you'd get your head out of the sand and actually read the thread, you'd realize people are getting banned for following the new rules that CCP laid out to us. If CCP secretly created a ruling regarding ISBoxer (where they said "x commands per second") and didn't tell the players, you have an obligation to tell us as that would be (with a little bit of argument) false advertising. Additionally, may be obtain a comment from you about another CSM's position of "one client per person"? What is your thought on that?

And for Pete's sake, stop using Kafkatraps. All it does is point out your immaturity and your lack of substantial argument against ISBoxer. Christ, I feel like I'm talking to a twelve year old on XBox Live.
Delt0r Garsk
Shits N Giggles
#3513 - 2015-02-27 14:47:23 UTC
corebloodbrothers wrote:
Move on? So much more fun stuff hitting eve s future to focus energy on, new player experience, new sov, rebalancing ishtar online, fanfest, china versus free world eve, ton of devblogs aimed at the future versus going over and over ccp actions versus inout broadcasting.

From what we have seen no unjust bans, and the guys who did get one know why. Same goes for botting. The harder users say it didnt give them a benefit over others and keep whining, the more it shows it did give on.

If the majority of players would be in favor of this crap, then run a csm member, as you shoudl easily get thousands of votes right...
If not, then its a storm in a glass of water really

Look at the future ratehr then ***** about the past, be positive, as much as i love the tears in my email about it, tweetimg i killed isboxer helps me actually getting votes, thnx for that

Greetz
Core
Csm9 csmx candidate

Spot the CSM member that didn't read the thread, doesn't understand our concerns and doesn't care about improving communication between CCP and the players.

AKA the scientist.

Death and Glory!

Well fun is also good.
Charadrass
Angry Germans
#3514 - 2015-02-27 15:27:48 UTC
just ignore the corebloodstupid.
he is just a bittervet without a future, cause i already outlived his.

i think a few csm just forgot for what they got voted on. and that they have a responsibility.

i am still waiting for a clear answer from ccp. come on. it is not so hard...
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#3515 - 2015-02-27 16:33:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
Ah, the csm. I already voted, thanks to the great information provided by the CFC's excellent fact-gathering committee. Everyone should remember to vote as well.

There's apparently some handy "window preview" and organizing program around:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=389086

Looks handy.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
ashley Eoner
#3516 - 2015-02-27 21:11:35 UTC  |  Edited by: ashley Eoner
corebloodbrothers wrote:
Move on? So much more fun stuff hitting eve s future to focus energy on, new player experience, new sov, rebalancing ishtar online, fanfest, china versus free world eve, ton of devblogs aimed at the future versus going over and over ccp actions versus inout broadcasting.

From what we have seen no unjust bans, and the guys who did get one know why. Same goes for botting. The harder users say it didnt give them a benefit over others and keep whining, the more it shows it did give on.

If the majority of players would be in favor of this crap, then run a csm member, as you shoudl easily get thousands of votes right...
If not, then its a storm in a glass of water really

Look at the future ratehr then ***** about the past, be positive, as much as i love the tears in my email about it, tweetimg i killed isboxer helps me actually getting votes, thnx for that

Greetz
Core
Csm9 csmx candidate

Hey aren't you the one that kept AFKing fleets at planets and couldn't be bothered to use anything as defense not even a bubble (bubbles easily stop isbox bombers)? Then you would rage when you got bombed? Especially if it was an isboxed fleet..

Also could you spend a little time and read the thread so your next comment will be somewhat on topic. I know it's annoying to actually have to listen to what people say and it's much easier to beat up a strawman but really you're a CSM so you should hold yourself to a higher level then that.
Sgt Ocker
What Corp is it
#3517 - 2015-02-27 21:42:48 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
corebloodbrothers wrote:
Move on? So much more fun stuff hitting eve s future to focus energy on, new player experience, new sov, rebalancing ishtar online, fanfest, china versus free world eve, ton of devblogs aimed at the future versus going over and over ccp actions versus inout broadcasting.

From what we have seen no unjust bans, and the guys who did get one know why. Same goes for botting. The harder users say it didnt give them a benefit over others and keep whining, the more it shows it did give on.

If the majority of players would be in favor of this crap, then run a csm member, as you shoudl easily get thousands of votes right...
If not, then its a storm in a glass of water really

Look at the future ratehr then ***** about the past, be positive, as much as i love the tears in my email about it, tweetimg i killed isboxer helps me actually getting votes, thnx for that

Greetz
Core
Csm9 csmx candidate


You just got my vote.

Funny but this post lost him mine.

And if this is the sort of thing players are basing who they vote for on.. CSM X is done, useless and may as well be disbanded. All before voting even has ended.

Only the most naive could believe CSM elections are anything more than the power blocks controlling the voting.

My opinions are mine.

  If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care

It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.
Rosewalker
Khumaak Flying Circus
#3518 - 2015-02-27 21:59:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Rosewalker
ashley Eoner wrote:

Trakow wrote:
No, because CCP can see if you're running ISBoxer or not. I am a programmer and it's really easy to include a bit of code that sees what other processes are running, which can then be checked against a list of known software that is banned. It's also easy to find out which windows have focus, and if the focus changes without an ALT-TAB key combination or a mouse-click, that's also an easy way to find round-robin users. Or, alternatively, if the key press action is sent directly to another window, without the focus changing, which is also possible, then that's another red flag that round-robin is being used. It's too easy.

One example of being caught red-handed is the link someone posted a while back about an incursion player who got banned. He denied using ISBoxer/input broadcasting at first when he complained on the forum, but then later admitted that he was using VideoFX and round-robin. So it wasn't the input-broadcasting that got him caught, because he wasn't doing that. They obviously knew that he was using the software. I have yet to hear about someone getting banned for using ISBoxer when they actually weren't. And those that have been banned will of course deny using it even if they are, but I have yet to hear about someone getting their account unbanned after finding it was a false accusation.
Wow did I miss this post?

Clearly this is true as when Blizzard started using Warden to do exactly this every single bot and cheat disappeared from World of Warcraft. There's no advertisement for gold sites via floating level 1s. There's no bots running under maps to harvest/mine resource nodes. There certainly are no cheats or anything like that........




HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAH oh god help us if this dude really is a programmer.

As for the banning aspect at the end of your post all I can say is "you must be new......"


If you're arguing for ISBoxer, you probably don't want to bring up Warden. Roll

The Nosy Gamer - CCP Random: "hehe, falls under the category: nice try, but no. ;)"
JGar Rooflestein
Thunderwaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#3519 - 2015-02-27 22:33:46 UTC  |  Edited by: JGar Rooflestein
corebloodbrothers wrote:
Move on? So much more fun stuff hitting eve s future to focus energy on, new player experience, new sov, rebalancing ishtar online, fanfest, china versus free world eve, ton of devblogs aimed at the future versus going over and over ccp actions versus inout broadcasting.

From what we have seen no unjust bans, and the guys who did get one know why. Same goes for botting. The harder users say it didnt give them a benefit over others and keep whining, the more it shows it did give on.

If the majority of players would be in favor of this crap, then run a csm member, as you shoudl easily get thousands of votes right...
If not, then its a storm in a glass of water really

Look at the future ratehr then ***** about the past, be positive, as much as i love the tears in my email about it, tweetimg i killed isboxer helps me actually getting votes, thnx for that

Greetz
Core
Csm9 csmx candidate



Like every one has said that quoted this comment. You are behind. Most multiboxers have moved on. Learned new ways to control their alts. Them doing this is raising the question that hasn't been answered (well it has just half assed). That question is "Is this allowed". We want CCP to say what third party applications they will look past. What we as multiboxers are allowed to use. You probably will say "put in a petition". Most have done that and everyone gets the same answer. That answer in short is CCP saying "Don't use third party software and applications that can change the game."

I want to know how VideoFx changes the game. How does that third party feature that I've been told is allowed change the way the game is played. All it does is allow you to put clients in a neat windows and zoom in on certain mods. WHICH you can do using default windows stuff...well i guess technically you can say these things are 3rd party too. Put your clients in window mode. Run a command to remove the boarder. Then use the magnification application. Then boom you have a half assed Videofx screen Using nothing but windows applications (which is what i do now).

So you Mr. CSM guys should tell CCP to help its players out by being more clear on what they will allow.

-JGar "Great man once said nothing."
ShadowandLight
Trigger Happy Capsuleers
#3520 - 2015-02-28 00:00:53 UTC
I hope everyone who enjoys multiboxing remembers statements like CoreBloodBrothers.

I have a list of candidates that in my opinion support multiboxing and have their direct quotes from their responses.

http://www.dual-boxing.com/threads/52023-CSM-10-Canidate-Watch-Who-is-for-and-who-is-against-our-gameplay

Please vote with your heart and don't take my own word for who is best.

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