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Update regarding Multiboxing and input automation

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ShadowandLight
Trigger Happy Capsuleers
#3461 - 2015-02-20 21:59:34 UTC
ashley Eoner wrote:
Delt0r Garsk wrote:
While true, a lot of people use a biomass alt for the forums. So i don't really see that as a reason to not trust posts.

Me however, I post with my main.

You're missing the point which is it's a character that has done NOTHING but troll boxers and proclaim them as cheaters. So excuse me for not believing his supposed GM conversation.


Haha that guy with the supposed GM conversation biomassed?

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Marsha Mallow
#3462 - 2015-02-20 23:21:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Marsha Mallow
Lady Rift wrote:
So how many have been banned after all this time?

Somebody claimed 6 earlier. Apparently they are all innocent.

It's pretty funny watching the 20 or so people here cry on various forums though. Especially since I'm pretty sure I've sold some of them alts P

Good job on Failheap, everyone looks really sympathetic there. I particularly like this thread title (which is a blatant lie and whoever posted it deserves a slap) on Steam. That's before you get to the reddit/dual/multi/isabotter forum topics, then the fun really starts.

But it's these glorious comments you keep making
Charadrass wrote:
i am paying 19 accounts with real money to ccp. and therefore ccp has the ******* obligation to set things clear.

Charadrass wrote:
dont know if Hilmar is aware of the situation.

Seriously, may I paraphrase this last one and make it into a sig.
HAS HILMAR BEEN INFORMED OF WHAT YOU ARE DOING, SILLY DEVMONKEY?
^ was my idea, feel free to critique

Ripard Teg > For the morons in the room:

Sweets > U can dd my face any day
Charadrass
Angry Germans
#3463 - 2015-02-20 23:38:00 UTC
you may excuse me, but getting different answers from the same ccp gm through different accounts where ccp dont know the second one belongs to me is a huge Problem.

and i bet my orca, that they dont post the Team security decision here in public cause that will Show everyone with a different answer how ccp is working.

THAT is why i am asking if Hilmar is Aware of the Situation.

in the real world you get fired if you tell customer A) the sky is blue and customer B) the sky is green.
Nolak Ataru
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#3464 - 2015-02-20 23:40:26 UTC
I find it more hilarious that you (or CCP) *still* hasn't given any substantial proof, statistics, or data to back up your claim that ISBoxing is detrimental to the health of EVE Online, or that PYFA/EVEMon/Fuzzworks don't break any rules that ISBoxer does, or (and this is my favorite) that this wasn't brought about by the self-admitted temper-tantrum from corebloodbrother and that somehow CCP just happened to bring this around just after cbb admitted to pressuring CCP and the rest of the CSM into this.
Marsha Mallow
#3465 - 2015-02-21 00:21:33 UTC
Charadrass wrote:
in the real world you get fired if you tell customer A) the sky is blue and customer B) the sky is green.

Actually, shouting "Yer Barred" at certain types of customer gets you a payrise, promotion and occasionally oral.

Nolak Ataru wrote:
I find it more hilarious that you (or CCP) *still* hasn't given any substantial proof, statistics, or data to back up your claim that ISBoxing is detrimental to the health of EVE Online, or that PYFA/EVEMon/Fuzzworks don't break any rules that ISBoxer does, or (and this is my favorite) that this wasn't brought about by the self-admitted temper-tantrum from corebloodbrother and that somehow CCP just happened to bring this around just after cbb admitted to pressuring CCP and the rest of the CSM into this.

They don't need to prove anything. You're a widely despised subset of players nobody gives a toss about.

If CCP back down on this topic, or any CSM start pandering to you and your incoherent gibbering, it's very possible the wider playerbase will crucify them.

Ripard Teg > For the morons in the room:

Sweets > U can dd my face any day
JGar Rooflestein
Thunderwaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#3466 - 2015-02-21 00:46:35 UTC  |  Edited by: JGar Rooflestein
ashley Eoner wrote:
Sgt Ocker wrote:
KC Kamikaze wrote:
Sgt Ocker wrote:
Kinete Jenius wrote:
I'm still playing and multiboxing VGs.

I also know of at least one other fellow who uses isboxer but he only uses videoFX (like me) and he isn't banned either.


Please be sure to give an email address to one of your ingame friends because if CCP decide you are breaking the rules (as suggested by CCP Pelligro) and ban you, your friend can come to this thread to let us know.

Do keep in mind though, the new rules rely heavily on "Player Policing" . Maybe you and the other person you know just haven't been reported yet so hadn't come to CCP's attention.
You did just remove the need for player policing though by advertising your breach of the rules (as per CCP Pelligro) on the forums.



Just out of curiosity in what forum post does it say using VideoFX is now a bannable offense? Can you link it?

The original post containing the full message was removed by ISD but This Post has the part about video fx and round robin.

The account that posted the supposed statement from a GM has no post history outside of trolling boxers in this thread. That very same account considers it cheating to multibox at all.

I would take anything said by that account with less than a grain of salt.

There has been at least two boxers who use videoFX who posted in this thread with videos and they are still playing. The assault guy is pushing the videofx farther though.



His post is true all i think i can say about it. I put in a ticket and go the same message. Not sure if im allowed to post a SS of the ticket. Replied to asking if im allowed to post what he said in the forums. If you still have doubts put in a ticket and I'm sure you will see the exact same message.
I wish that CCP would just make a thread already to clear this massive argument up. I use videofx so i can see all my miners. Since the ticket i have stopped using its repeater option (now i just tab over to the character and do what needs to be done). All video fx does is save me from having to have 10 monitors. IF they still dont want me to use then ill just put them in windowed mode and line them up all nice and pretty.

3rd party software goes i assume that means that people who play with VMs are screwed..

-JGar "Great man once said nothing."
Lady Rift
His Majesty's Privateers
#3467 - 2015-02-21 02:02:28 UTC
Charadrass wrote:
you may excuse me, but getting different answers from the same ccp gm through different accounts where ccp dont know the second one belongs to me is a huge Problem.

and i bet my orca, that they dont post the Team security decision here in public cause that will Show everyone with a different answer how ccp is working.

THAT is why i am asking if Hilmar is Aware of the Situation.

in the real world you get fired if you tell customer A) the sky is blue and customer B) the sky is green.



Nothing new there, ccp have always answered things differently in tickets. It has been this way for years upon years. (i first encountered it when then introduced epic arcs)


so grow up its not a new problem and it hasn't killed eve yet
Nolak Ataru
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#3468 - 2015-02-21 02:16:08 UTC
Marsha Mallow wrote:
Nolak Ataru wrote:
I find it more hilarious that you (or CCP) *still* hasn't given any substantial proof, statistics, or data to back up your claim that ISBoxing is detrimental to the health of EVE Online, or that PYFA/EVEMon/Fuzzworks don't break any rules that ISBoxer does, or (and this is my favorite) that this wasn't brought about by the self-admitted temper-tantrum from corebloodbrother and that somehow CCP just happened to bring this around just after cbb admitted to pressuring CCP and the rest of the CSM into this.

They don't need to prove anything. You're a widely despised subset of players nobody gives a toss about.

If CCP back down on this topic, or any CSM start pandering to you and your incoherent gibbering, it's very possible the wider playerbase will crucify them.

You mean like how they backed down on the stealth bomber thing, and how the EVE playerbase *didn't* crucify them?
Probably a bad example, but if CCP indeed gives zero fucks, then they wouldn't care what players do if they reverse their decision. Especially after the CCP Leeloo / Funkybacon incident where Leeloo was caught lying with her panties down....
JGar Rooflestein
Thunderwaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#3469 - 2015-02-21 03:59:55 UTC
I think reason why CCP isn't giving us a clear statement is probably due to all the petitions they are getting. Multiboxers send in there support ticket about what they use and is allowed. Then maybe that flags CCP and they begin watching them (just a thought probably not true at all).

Bottom line is we probably will never see anything official about this issue. Players will keep doing what they do till CCP drops the hammer on them.

CCP probably sees 1 person using input broadcasting and is doing nothing harmful and may let them slide till either reports come in or they see that they are abusing it a lot. Kinda like buying ISK with IRL money. CCP can't really target everyone. If you are quiet about it CCP will probably never see it.

Honestly I say keep doing what you are doing until CCP officially tells you personally to stop (whether a ban or warning). If you are scared you are going to get banned for something you are doing then don't do it.

-JGar "Great man once said nothing."
ashley Eoner
#3470 - 2015-02-21 07:06:24 UTC
JGar Rooflestein wrote:

His post is true all i think i can say about it. I put in a ticket and go the same message. Not sure if im allowed to post a SS of the ticket. Replied to asking if im allowed to post what he said in the forums. If you still have doubts put in a ticket and I'm sure you will see the exact same message.
I wish that CCP would just make a thread already to clear this massive argument up. I use videofx so i can see all my miners. Since the ticket i have stopped using its repeater option (now i just tab over to the character and do what needs to be done). All video fx does is save me from having to have 10 monitors. IF they still dont want me to use then ill just put them in windowed mode and line them up all nice and pretty.

3rd party software goes i assume that means that people who play with VMs are screwed..
Like you said and kinete showed earlier. You don't need 10 monitors if you can't use videofx.


I'm guessing they are hitting people who are doing stuff too fast for CCP's taste. I imagine multiboxers that are causing rage reports are being checked carefully too.
Charadrass
Angry Germans
#3471 - 2015-02-21 10:42:03 UTC
JGar Rooflestein wrote:
I think reason why CCP isn't giving us a clear statement is probably due to all the petitions they are getting. Multiboxers send in there support ticket about what they use and is allowed. Then maybe that flags CCP and they begin watching them (just a thought probably not true at all).


from the beginning of my isboxer career i told ccp the names of all of my boxing toons, i stated what Kind of Software i use and what i am intending to do with it, and i was asking if it was violating the eula.

cause i dont want violating the eula.

funny Thing is. german gm told me isboxer is totally forbidden, while lelouch answer still remains.
my concerns about having a german answer as a rule for an international community was swept aside by the gm telling me i have to obey.
nothing happend... cause he just posted his own meaning. sad enough eh can do that in petitions so that normal Players maybe take that as an official answer.

wake up guys. it is not.
official answers on rules and everything related with eve is to be found ONLY in the Forums AND / OR devblogs. NEVER EVER in petitions. i learned that that day.

so here i am, playing with isboxer since 2010.04.23 where lelouch posted that it is indeed ok.
and after january the first 2015 the broadcasting Feature suddenly became a banable offense.

in Germany we have a Thing called "Gewohnheitsrecht" i am not quite sure if that is working in other countries too, but in Germany it is.
have to find out where i have to suit ccp in what Country.


so:
1.) i petitioned myself from the beginning. maybe the reason why i never got banned.
2.) answers in petitions are meanings not rules and never ever you will get the same answer.

i think about contacting my lawyer to look into the customer contract i have with ccp. and how much of the eula is not legal.
Lady Rift
His Majesty's Privateers
#3472 - 2015-02-21 15:30:25 UTC
Charadrass wrote:
JGar Rooflestein wrote:
I think reason why CCP isn't giving us a clear statement is probably due to all the petitions they are getting. Multiboxers send in there support ticket about what they use and is allowed. Then maybe that flags CCP and they begin watching them (just a thought probably not true at all).


from the beginning of my isboxer career i told ccp the names of all of my boxing toons, i stated what Kind of Software i use and what i am intending to do with it, and i was asking if it was violating the eula.

cause i dont want violating the eula.

funny Thing is. german gm told me isboxer is totally forbidden, while lelouch answer still remains.
my concerns about having a german answer as a rule for an international community was swept aside by the gm telling me i have to obey.
nothing happend... cause he just posted his own meaning. sad enough eh can do that in petitions so that normal Players maybe take that as an official answer.

wake up guys. it is not.
official answers on rules and everything related with eve is to be found ONLY in the Forums AND / OR devblogs. NEVER EVER in petitions. i learned that that day.

so here i am, playing with isboxer since 2010.04.23 where lelouch posted that it is indeed ok.
and after january the first 2015 the broadcasting Feature suddenly became a banable offense.

in Germany we have a Thing called "Gewohnheitsrecht" i am not quite sure if that is working in other countries too, but in Germany it is.
have to find out where i have to suit ccp in what Country.


so:
1.) i petitioned myself from the beginning. maybe the reason why i never got banned.
2.) answers in petitions are meanings not rules and never ever you will get the same answer.

i think about contacting my lawyer to look into the customer contract i have with ccp. and how much of the eula is not legal.




LOL the I'll contact my lawyer about the EULA thing again.
Nolak Ataru
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#3473 - 2015-02-21 15:38:46 UTC
Lady Rift wrote:
LOL the I'll contact my lawyer about the EULA thing again.

LOL the "I'm still here but I still don't care, no really guys I don't care" thing.
Lady Rift
His Majesty's Privateers
#3474 - 2015-02-21 15:49:08 UTC
Nolak Ataru wrote:
Lady Rift wrote:
LOL the I'll contact my lawyer about the EULA thing again.

LOL the "I'm still here but I still don't care, no really guys I don't care" thing.



you have never read threads for the tears?

Charadrass
Angry Germans
#3475 - 2015-02-21 15:53:52 UTC
i dont see the Problem checking a Service Company like ccp on a reliable eula.
even i cant see the laughter cause i gonna contact my lawyer about.
i am throwing Money at this game. hence i can check it on legal Terms.
Lady Rift
His Majesty's Privateers
#3476 - 2015-02-21 17:18:21 UTC
Charadrass wrote:
i dont see the Problem checking a Service Company like ccp on a reliable eula.
even i cant see the laughter cause i gonna contact my lawyer about.
i am throwing Money at this game. hence i can check it on legal Terms.




and this isn't the first time some rando in the forums has had a fit and said they will contact there lawyers over Eves EULA.

That is why it is funny.

Sumeragy
Nemesis Logistics
Goonswarm Federation
#3477 - 2015-02-21 17:46:20 UTC
ashley Eoner wrote:
Delt0r Garsk wrote:
While true, a lot of people use a biomass alt for the forums. So i don't really see that as a reason to not trust posts.

Me however, I post with my main.

You're missing the point which is it's a character that has done NOTHING but troll boxers and proclaim them as cheaters. So excuse me for not believing his supposed GM conversation.


Well i can confirm it. I got almost the same massage, if you aren´t beliving me its up to you. Well i would poste mine too here if i would´t get banned. Otherway it would rise a **** storm against CCP belive me.

Well CCP is doing all good to lose Players. Look at the numbers when u log in. On Prime times it where up to 50k or even 60k players online. You aren´t reaching even 40k anymore.



Charadrass
Angry Germans
#3478 - 2015-02-21 18:44:14 UTC
Lady Rift wrote:


and this isn't the first time some rando in the forums has had a fit and said they will contact there lawyers over Eves EULA.

That is why it is funny.



with all due respect, i am not some random ock posting with an alt.
Lady Rift
His Majesty's Privateers
#3479 - 2015-02-21 18:55:36 UTC
Charadrass wrote:
Lady Rift wrote:


and this isn't the first time some rando in the forums has had a fit and said they will contact there lawyers over Eves EULA.

That is why it is funny.



with all due respect, i am not some random ock posting with an alt.



neither am I. But that doesn't matter.
Sgt Ocker
What Corp is it
#3480 - 2015-02-21 22:52:20 UTC
KC Kamikaze wrote:
I suspect it's bullshit. The guy said what was told to him via a support ticket. If that really happened they would have at least locked the thread and/or removed his post.

I have a ticket open. Hopefully it doesn't take forever to get answers.

The post was removed, within hours of being posted.
There are however some references to it scattered around the thread that were done just prior to the original message being removed.

NB; He didn't "say" what was sent to him - He posted a copy of the mail from a Dev in the forums. There are many instances of people posting correspondence from devs around the forums - All get removed as it is considered illegal to post.

As for your ticket response, you really want to hope they simply don't just refer you to this thread, as they have with many others.

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