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Update regarding Multiboxing and input automation

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Anslo
Scope Works
#301 - 2014-11-25 17:58:06 UTC
HostageTaker wrote:
2003 Vet here, CCP you're making me less bitter!... STOP!


Twisted



LIGHT THE SIGNAL FIRES AND SOUND THE HORNS OF GONDOR, LET THE BITTER VETS KNOW EVE IS ALIVE AGAIN AND TO RESUB

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
Kant Boards
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#302 - 2014-11-25 17:58:09 UTC
ITS HAPPENING

(9:11:20 AM) Price information for 30 Day Pilot's License Extension (PLEX) in Jita:
Buy - Max: 910,000,900.00 Min: 4,750,000.00 Average: 745,481,861.72 Volume: 1,422
Sell - Min: 934,988,999.00 Max: 2,500,000,000.00 Average: 994,303,052.94 Volume: 1,405

(9:31:34 AM) Price information for 30 Day Pilot's License Extension (PLEX) in Jita:
Buy - Max: 898,611,111.00 Min: 2,500,000.00 Average: 722,243,575.98 Volume: 1,247
Sell - Min: 908,898,897.00 Max: 2,500,000,000.00 Average: 987,750,257.58 Volume: 1,387
FZappa
Heretics Corp
#303 - 2014-11-25 17:59:03 UTC
this is .. interesting Shocked .
i guess its time to downsize my mining fleet , i only used to isbox 6 miners ,
but since broadcasting is not allowed anymore i dont see a point in subbing all 6 . probably go
down to 3 , more manageable to manually control. i can imagine the people using 20+ accounts dropping
most of those now.

side effect would include massive amounts of mining toons going up for sale , steep increase in
mineral and ice prices , decrease in plex prices (?) . fun fun.
Arronicus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#304 - 2014-11-25 17:59:27 UTC
Simsung Padecain wrote:
At last.

Eve was the only MMO game I've played in my long career that allowed automation in such manner, for a very, very long time.
Now that this option isn't available for much longer, all I can say is thank you for finally sobering up and making this step.

THANK YOU


Since you're living in a cave or a hole somewhere, many games like WoW, FFXIV, and others actually allow this. they allow multi-client broadcasting, just not botting.
Sven Viko VIkolander
In space we are briefly free
#305 - 2014-11-25 18:00:22 UTC
PRAISE BOB

Praise the flying-spaghetti monster and its noodly appendages.

CCP, making the right choices! Nice work!
Mikalas T
Free Throbbing Veinal Penii For Spacmens
#306 - 2014-11-25 18:00:28 UTC
I have a space hard-on for soon tm good times and flourishing this will bring.

Also, boxerbros, please remember the longer you wait to character bazaar your miners/VG toons, the more saturated the market will be. So go do it quickly, i'm after some nightmare pilots.
Not Primary Disengage
Chemical Redox
#307 - 2014-11-25 18:02:17 UTC
Utari Onzo wrote:
The thing that makes me laugh are the ISBoxer users asking for refunds.

They have paid for subscription time, and been given that time. CCP was under no obligation to 'garauntee' to customers that their intentions for the characters use would still be applicable in the future. CCP didn't explicitely state that my training for a sentry drone Dominix for PVP last year would be a garaunteed OK and my 'playstyle' wouldn't get nerfed.

These characters could all be retrained into market alts, scouts, fleet boosters, or heavens forbid the ISboxers could just manually operate them, but no. Instead they demand a refund when they have recieved exactly what CCP promised them. A set amount of time to play in the sandbox. Please take your entitled attitude elsewhere.


Of course they are under no obligation, just like I am under no obligation to give to charity or do nice things for other people. But it is certainly misleading this whole situation.
Scarlett IX
Super Squirrel Omni Jump League
#308 - 2014-11-25 18:02:27 UTC
Aww this is so Awesome been waiting for this day a very long time. Life is sweet Big smile

Christmas did come early
Bisu Deckryder
Definitely Not Cloaked LLC
#309 - 2014-11-25 18:02:56 UTC
Ginger Barbarella wrote:
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Fonac wrote:
So is-boxer is banned?

edit: I Honestly dont care about is-boxer or what it can do, since i've never used it, or met anyone who uses it. But the OP is not very clear on it.



isboxer isn't banned. Some of the things isboxer can do are banned.


Well that's clear as mud.

Using isboxxer to input a command once and have multiple toons do it is banned, or any other thing that does that. You can still use it to manage your overlay.
KeeperRus
Doomheim
#310 - 2014-11-25 18:03:11 UTC
I wonder how exactly this will change anything. CCP can not detect the software, so how will CCP know if it's being used? Exactly.
Utari Onzo
Escalated.
OnlyFleets.
#311 - 2014-11-25 18:03:22 UTC
Lee Sin Priest wrote:
Utari Onzo wrote:
The thing that makes me laugh are the ISBoxer users asking for refunds.

They have paid for subscription time, and been given that time. CCP was under no obligation to 'garauntee' to customers that their intentions for the characters use would still be applicable in the future. CCP didn't explicitely state that my training for a sentry drone Dominix for PVP last year would be a garaunteed OK and my 'playstyle' wouldn't get nerfed.

These characters could all be retrained into market alts, scouts, fleet boosters, or heavens forbid the ISboxers could just manually operate them, but no. Instead they demand a refund when they have recieved exactly what CCP promised them. A set amount of time to play in the sandbox. Please take your entitled attitude elsewhere.



35 days notice on 180degree turnaround on their own policy is not okay

It's downright extortion

Example:

If you pay me money to go to theme park for a specific ride, you like the rollercoasters cause of the pretty lights n stuff
I say of course you may enter, I have a policy that dictates how I must behave and such, what you want to do is legal and hundreds of other people have been doing it for years
You grin, pay over your moneyzzzz and enter
3 feet in Miley comes in like a wrecking ball and bye bye the rollercoasters
Sad right?


Funny that, because that's 5 days more notice then a landlord has to give you in this contry before raising the rent or evicting you. That's more then enough time to change skill plans, sell the characters, find a new play style, or find a different game to play.

To go on with your anaology, in this example I have paid a ticket at the theme park to enter the theme park. There are other rides available and other services there I can use. By law, I cannot recieve a refund as I was given exactly what I paid for. The company might give me a refund if I complain, but they are udner no obligation to do so.

You have not had EVE taken away from you, you have simply had one of a myriad of options to play this game taken and now like a child you are spitting out the dummy and refusing to try something else. If you can only play eve by using broadcasting software and not by actually manually using your alts, that is not CCPs fault.

"Face the enemy as a solid wall For faith is your armor And through it, the enemy will find no breach Wrap your arms around the enemy For faith is your fire And with it, burn away his evil"
Godfrey Silvarna
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#312 - 2014-11-25 18:03:24 UTC
Pivke Anneto wrote:
this is just full of awesomeness :D

BEFORE YOU PEOPLE START UNSUBSCRIBING!

i would like to buy:
-one scuicide ganking character (catalyst&talos trained)
-one perfect miner (all T2 crystals and stuff)

FOR VERY CHEAP!

i will post in character bazaar forum soon, so you can start undercutting each other :)
its your chance to make a little bit of ISK on character you wont use any more!

I like your way of thinking, good madam. I will eagerly follow your example, and keep an eye open in the character bazaar for cheap bomber alts.
Nerdz Rool
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#313 - 2014-11-25 18:04:07 UTC
Lol Awesome!

My wife thanks you ccp. Thats 105$ she can spend on Qwertee each month now.

Im dropping 7 out of 8 accounts for now then. No hard feelings, I understand that many people in EVE didn't like players multiboxing in PVP or PVE, so whatever you feel will bring up the player experience im cool with.

Everyone just needs to learn how to adapt. I really hope that this doesn't hurt the bottom line for EVE too much though as I really love this game.
Rawthorm
The Establishment
#314 - 2014-11-25 18:05:01 UTC
While I've never used software like ISBoxer, I can imagine that it's use probably increased quality of life for most non-ISBox using eve players.

BomberBox fleets were quite rare and despite the number of butt hurt people who've clearly not been paying attention and got caught by one, I don't think they began to come close to outweighing the benefits such as making Ice easy to harvest leaving the rest of us time to actually play the more fun aspects of EvE rather than spend half our lives slowly grinding icecubes.
Almost every player in EvE has benefited from cheaper fuel and cheaper ships because of those using ISBoxer, so is an overriding ban worth it just to get rid of a few trolling bombers on your space?

I think it's seriously time for CCP to look into quality of life improvements for running infrastructure and give us bigger and better gear to use (and put at risk) to cut down the time spent doing all the boring monotonous stuff.
Jasahl Toruken
DragonCore Production
#315 - 2014-11-25 18:05:03 UTC
I use ISBoxer with 5 accounts. The way I use it does not include any automation. I use the DxNothing feature to bring multiple aspects of the UI from each client to one screen. Every click and mouse movement is unique to each client. And from my interpretation, that type of use is acceptable.


"Input Broadcasting and Input Multiplexing"

Is using one account to broadcast the mouse movements and clicks to multiple other clients. Much like one might do with a mining or pvp fleet. Where the UI layouts are identical for each client and the user only moves and clicks on one client.

Basically if one click equals multiple actions, then stop doing it.
Odysseus Rhodes
Doomheim
#316 - 2014-11-25 18:05:43 UTC
+1 for the return of cooperative mining ... with other players.

ISBoxer can die in a plasma fire and buried in a pile of feces.
Herrin Asura
Covert Operations Agency
#317 - 2014-11-25 18:05:53 UTC
This is great.
Good decision CCP.

You will lose subs but the game and the economy will get healthier and in my opinion that will help to get more real people into Eve Online.

Today you showed us that you have the balls to make decisions against your income in favor of Eve and the Community. Thank you.
Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#318 - 2014-11-25 18:05:53 UTC
RIP ISBOXER. Couldn't have happened to a nicer.... program?

APPLAUSE

Much applause. Giant huge cajones, CCP.

http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#319 - 2014-11-25 18:06:01 UTC
Some thoughts:

1. Thank you CCP. The EvE community has long held that EvE is not a game you can buy your way into "winning". Too many ISBoxers were effectively doing just that. I for one welcome back our old single-input character overlords.

2. I expect the market to do funny things over the next 6 months or so. PLEX prices will likely drop as demand drops and ore/mineral prices to go up as supply drops (assuming all those ISBoxers actually unsub).

3. Where are the followers of James 315 in this thread? This move is a huge blow to so-called "bot aspirants", I figured they'd be all over this thread rejoicing with their quasi-religious fervor.

Relatively Notorious By Association

My Many Misadventures

I predicted FAUXs
Ginger Barbarella
#320 - 2014-11-25 18:06:08 UTC
Reznoriam wrote:
After CCP tanked WhiteWolf and the WOD MMO, this is just the last straw.

http://s11.postimg.org/x6ftdxve7/Capture.jpg


Buh-bye.

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac