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Update regarding Multiboxing and input automation

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Rowells
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#3101 - 2015-01-10 16:52:37 UTC
BrundleMeth wrote:
Nolak Ataru wrote:
BrundleMeth wrote:
Nolak Ataru wrote:
BrundleMeth wrote:
No, I have LOTS of money and like LOTS of Gear... You know nothing about what I build or HAVE to do or WANT to do...and I'm still right I don't care what you believe...


His first sentence was a direct quote from wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-boxing

So what? Wikipedia's can easily be challenged on ideas rather than facts...

So challenge it. I don't see any bias or anything that would make one question the validity of the statements. The only reason both he and I chose WP over something like the OED is because the OED does not have an entry on multiboxing.
e: Additionally, I fail to see how this would be construed as an "idea" over a "fact".

I use this comparison. I multi BOX with my 3 girlfriends...No ALT-TAB there, I need 3 separate pieces of hardware for this experience. It's very tiring...

How do you have three arms?
Enigmatic Raider
Ganja Clade
Shadow Cartel
#3102 - 2015-01-11 19:30:20 UTC
Didn't read very much and was severely confused if using isboxer for mining was banned?
That's the only thing I need to know
No intentions for pvp
ShadowandLight
Trigger Happy Capsuleers
#3103 - 2015-01-11 20:11:09 UTC
no its not banned, you just cannot send the same command to more then 1 client at at time (input duplication, so turn off broadcasting).

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Enigmatic Raider
Ganja Clade
Shadow Cartel
#3104 - 2015-01-12 03:01:29 UTC
ShadowandLight wrote:
no its not banned, you just cannot send the same command to more then 1 client at at time (input duplication, so turn off broadcasting).



Thenk you so much. Now i can yell at CCP for not dumbing it down . lolz
Bluespot85
What IU Doing
Brothers of Tangra
#3105 - 2015-01-12 20:54:00 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
Playing with multiple accounts at the same time has a long history within EVE Online, and has always been permitted. There are various ways to do it, and since there’s been a lot of discussion surrounding what is and isn’t allowed, we’d like to clarify a few terms and exactly how the EULA and our Policies must be interpreted and how some things are shifting.

Over the last few weeks we have gone through an internal review process to clarify what exactly the EULA and ToS require in terms of input automation, input multiplexing and input broadcasting. This is the result of that review process and an outline of how we will interpret things going forward.

Firstly we’d like to go over a few terms.

Multiboxing

Multiboxing refers to playing as multiple separate characters, simultaneously, across a number of accounts, either by using multiple computers to run the game, or by using a number of instances of EVE on a single computer.

Uses for multiboxing range from scouts in PvP to gang boosting, support and ECM alts, as well as extra characters for hauling, mining and many other applications. Based on our EULA and Policies we would like to clarify that multiboxing is allowed.

Input Automation

Input Automation refers to actions that are commonly also referred to as botting or macroing. This term is used to describe, but is not limited to, the automation of actions which have consequences in the EVE universe.

Input Broadcasting & Input Multiplexing

Input Broadcasting and Input Multiplexing refer to the multiplication of inputs, actions and events to multiple instances of the game.

Going Forward

As of 15th of March 2013 we have been policing input automation based on a two-strike policy

• 1st strike for input automation is a 30 day ban
• 2nd strike for input automation is a permanent ban

Input Automation remains strictly prohibited, and is policed under our suspension and ban policy.

Based on the discussion in this area and our will to be more clear and concise with the community regarding this part of our rules, we have decided to also apply this two-strike policy to prohibited forms of Input Broadcasting and Input Multiplexing as of January 1st 2015.

We would like to add, however, that we will not be taking action retroactively and will only be policing this policy as of January 1st, 2015.

Input Broadcasting and Input Multiplexing of actions with consequences in the EVE universe, are prohibited and will be policed in the same manner as Input Automation.

This includes, but isn’t limited to:

• Activation and control of ships and modules
• Navigation and movement within the EVE universe
• Movement of assets and items within the EVE universe
• Interaction with other characters

Examples of allowed Input Broadcasting and Input Multiplexing are actions taken that do not have an impact on the EVE universe and are carried out for convenience:

• EVE Online client settings
• Window positions and arrangements (of the EVE Online client in your operating system’s desktop environment)
• The login process

NOTE: Please keep in mind that using the same password for multiple accounts as well as storing your password in a third party tool or script which helps you to automate the login process can increase the risk of account theft and hacking drastically. It is strongly recommended that you do not engage in this type of activity.

We are closely monitoring all game events for suspicious activity suggesting illicit behaviors, including Input Broadcasting and Input Multiplexing.

We would like to clarify that it does not matter how Input Broadcasting and Input Multiplexing are being done, whether through use of software or modified hardware. Our only concern is regarding how it is being used in the EVE universe.

If you are uncertain about your Input Broadcasting and Input Multiplexing use-case, please get in contact with us, as we would prefer to work with members of the community to come to an amicable resolution. We will also follow up this statement with further clarifications if needed, based on questions and concerns from the community.

TL:DR :

Starting from 01.01.2015 the use of Input Broadcasting and Input Multiplexing is limited to activities which do not impact the Eve universe. For more details please refer to the entirety of this announcement.



Any chance you are actually going to enforce this new rule? Or is this going to be like botting and RMT where you enforce it when you can be bothered?

I ask because every ice field is still full of barges all locking on to an ice block at the same time.
ashley Eoner
#3106 - 2015-01-12 21:03:51 UTC
Bluespot85 wrote:

Any chance you are actually going to enforce this new rule? Or is this going to be like botting and RMT where you enforce it when you can be bothered?

I ask because every ice field is still full of barges all locking on to an ice block at the same time.


Report them and get others in the area to report them too.


I know I can lock up targets then spam window change while hitting F1 at the same time. I can damned near start 10 accounts at what looks like the same time with this. So don't be surprised if they don't get banned.
Nolak Ataru
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#3107 - 2015-01-12 21:04:32 UTC
Bluespot85 wrote:
Any chance you are actually going to enforce this new rule? Or is this going to be like botting and RMT where you enforce it when you can be bothered?

I ask because every ice field is still full of barges all locking on to an ice block at the same time.

Most likely, any miner fleet you see has adjusted to the changes and is "toeing the line". You're perfectly welcome to report them, but I wouldn't hold my breath as everyone I've talked to who is staying (over 90%) has adjusted their setup to fit the EULA.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#3108 - 2015-01-12 22:37:40 UTC
The joys of only being able to observe the outcome and never knowing what actually happened to lead to it.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#3109 - 2015-01-12 22:40:06 UTC
ashley Eoner wrote:
Bluespot85 wrote:

Any chance you are actually going to enforce this new rule? Or is this going to be like botting and RMT where you enforce it when you can be bothered?

I ask because every ice field is still full of barges all locking on to an ice block at the same time.

Report them and get others in the area to report them too.

I know I can lock up targets then spam window change while hitting F1 at the same time. I can damned near start 10 accounts at what looks like the same time with this. So don't be surprised if they don't get banned.

I see you have already prepared your defense. So if they happen to spot you, they should definitely not waste their time reporting you.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Nolak Ataru
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#3110 - 2015-01-12 23:10:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Nolak Ataru
Alavaria Fera wrote:
ashley Eoner wrote:
Bluespot85 wrote:

Any chance you are actually going to enforce this new rule? Or is this going to be like botting and RMT where you enforce it when you can be bothered?

I ask because every ice field is still full of barges all locking on to an ice block at the same time.

Report them and get others in the area to report them too.

I know I can lock up targets then spam window change while hitting F1 at the same time. I can damned near start 10 accounts at what looks like the same time with this. So don't be surprised if they don't get banned.

I see you have already prepared your defense. So if they happen to spot you, they should definitely not waste their time reporting you.

If you want, I can screenshot the dual-boxing thread where people responded to a "who's quitting?" thread by saying they haven't.... I don't know what it would take to convince you.
Nidal Fervor
Doomheim
#3111 - 2015-01-12 23:19:14 UTC
Uni-matrix 1 to 50 was in elonaya today with 50 skiffs/procurers all mining at once. is it even possible to control 50 at once without isboxer?
Nolak Ataru
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#3112 - 2015-01-12 23:20:13 UTC
Nidal Fervor wrote:
Uni-matrix 1 to 50 was in elonaya today with 50 skiffs/procurers all mining at once. is it even possible to control 50 at once without isboxer?

Yes; multiple computers. However, since ISBoxer is not banned, the question is moot.
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
#3113 - 2015-01-12 23:21:55 UTC
Ban them all.

The Tears Must Flow
Klaus Kanone
Stars in No Sky
Backward Time in a Strange Land
#3114 - 2015-01-12 23:25:50 UTC
I asked this via Ticket system, the GM told me to ask here "so a DEV could answer it".

Quote:
I would like to know how Programms are handled who convert spoken commands into key presses. Like "VoiceAttack" ( http://www.voiceattack.com )

For example when you say "Open Market" the programm sends "ALT-R" to EVE and with that opens the market.


Thank you.
Nolak Ataru
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#3115 - 2015-01-12 23:57:16 UTC
Vaju Enki wrote:
Ban them all.

I hope the irony of that statement and your signature was not lost on you.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#3116 - 2015-01-13 04:48:47 UTC
Nidal Fervor wrote:
Uni-matrix 1 to 50 was in elonaya today with 50 skiffs/procurers all mining at once. is it even possible to control 50 at once without isboxer?

Probably?

Would be really fatiguing though.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
James Baboli
Warp to Pharmacy
#3117 - 2015-01-13 05:12:46 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Nidal Fervor wrote:
Uni-matrix 1 to 50 was in elonaya today with 50 skiffs/procurers all mining at once. is it even possible to control 50 at once without isboxer?

Probably?

Would be really fatiguing though.

Easily, if you don't run mods that push down the cycle time and that particular link. its only about 120APM needed on skiff/procureres without yield mods and the cycle time link.

Talking more,

Flying crazier,

And drinking more

Making battleships worth the warp
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#3118 - 2015-01-13 06:52:49 UTC
Reducing the amount a character mines, so you can use more characters.

Clever.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Adrie Atticus
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#3119 - 2015-01-13 09:01:02 UTC
Bluespot85 wrote:

Any chance you are actually going to enforce this new rule? Or is this going to be like botting and RMT where you enforce it when you can be bothered?

I ask because every ice field is still full of barges all locking on to an ice block at the same time.


Oh, they are enforcing it and it's effectively simple for them to detect input multicasting or multiplexing with the current system they have.

If they're still there, they might be, I dunno, not using multicasting and doing it manually, e.g. within the EULA. Multiboxing is still fully allowed.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#3120 - 2015-01-13 12:59:43 UTC
Adrie Atticus wrote:
Bluespot85 wrote:

Any chance you are actually going to enforce this new rule? Or is this going to be like botting and RMT where you enforce it when you can be bothered?

I ask because every ice field is still full of barges all locking on to an ice block at the same time.


Oh, they are enforcing it and it's effectively simple for them to detect input multicasting or multiplexing with the current system they have.

If they're still there, they might be, I dunno, not using multicasting and doing it manually, e.g. within the EULA. Multiboxing is still fully allowed.

So much for people's expectations that That Terrible XXYY person will suddenly disappear!!

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?