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Update regarding Multiboxing and input automation

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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#3061 - 2015-01-03 06:32:28 UTC
Zappity wrote:
Atuesuel wrote:
...i have three accounts and 3 installs and 3 screens and have all ways input all there commands manually.

What is the advantage of using three installations rather than one to multi box? Is this a performance thing or a settings retention thing?

I started using separate installs after some crashes would wipe all my settings. With separate installs the damage is compartmentalized. It also allows each client to hold different settings.

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Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#3062 - 2015-01-03 06:40:49 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
Zappity wrote:
Atuesuel wrote:
...i have three accounts and 3 installs and 3 screens and have all ways input all there commands manually.

What is the advantage of using three installations rather than one to multi box? Is this a performance thing or a settings retention thing?

I started using separate installs after some crashes would wipe all my settings. With separate installs the damage is compartmentalized. It also allows each client to hold different settings.

Thanks, I'll experiment.

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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#3063 - 2015-01-03 06:44:28 UTC
If you have big updates and you care about the download, uncheck the option in the first launcher "delete patches after use." That way the update file remains in the install folder and you can copy paste it over to the rest of the installs and not have to download it several times. This only works if you keep your clients updated together, of course.

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Atuesuel
Kenshin.
Fraternity.
#3064 - 2015-01-03 07:21:11 UTC
Zappity wrote:
Rain6637 wrote:
Zappity wrote:
Atuesuel wrote:
...i have three accounts and 3 installs and 3 screens and have all ways input all there commands manually.

What is the advantage of using three installations rather than one to multi box? Is this a performance thing or a settings retention thing?

I started using separate installs after some crashes would wipe all my settings. With separate installs the damage is compartmentalized. It also allows each client to hold different settings.

Thanks, I'll experiment.


yeah i just find them more stable, plus ones on steam.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#3065 - 2015-01-03 07:27:01 UTC
it's annoying when I forget that my Sisi install is shared, and I close the last client with high graphics settings or such, then every.single.one is on high graphics settings the next startup.

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Atuesuel
Kenshin.
Fraternity.
#3066 - 2015-01-03 07:31:31 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
it's annoying when I forget that my Sisi install is shared, and I close the last client with high graphics settings or such, then every.single.one is on high graphics settings the next startup.



Lol know that felling, that's the plus of havering different installs and you don't have to swap usernames the only thing i wish they did is remember passwords so you don't have to type them in all the time.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#3067 - 2015-01-03 08:02:20 UTC
With G-keys, you can bind your password string followed by "Enter." Cool

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#3068 - 2015-01-03 10:09:52 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
If you have big updates and you care about the download, uncheck the option in the first launcher "delete patches after use." That way the update file remains in the install folder and you can copy paste it over to the rest of the installs and not have to download it several times. This only works if you keep your clients updated together, of course.
You don;t need to separate installations anymore, so this isn't needed. They fixed the issues that caused those.

If you did still want to do it, you can still actually do it with 1 installation. Install it to like C:\EVE, then create NTFS junction from that folder C:\EVE2, C:\EVE3, etc. Then when you update 1, they all update but the settings sill split out.

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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#3069 - 2015-01-03 10:18:30 UTC
yeah, that sounds complicated and I'd rather just keep it simple.

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Josef Djugashvilis
#3070 - 2015-01-03 11:30:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Josef Djugashvilis
Nolak Ataru said '...I have never gibbered or acted hysterical...'

He also said '...and proven to CCP that you are the lunatics...'

On a more serious note, I did say before that the whole thing seems to be much ado about nothing.

So either the limited changes CCP have made to the rules governing the use of ISboxer have not really impacted on the play-style of ISboxers, or they have, in which case CCP probably did the right thing.

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kraken11 jensen
ROOKS AND KRAKENS
#3071 - 2015-01-03 11:36:41 UTC
Having multiple screens can be an advantage, having better data mouse can be an advantage, having more sp can be an advantage. I remember that People ''cried'' in some other games that i have played that the people who killed them was using gaming mouses.. it's like, lol.. Having multiple Manufacturing characters in eve is an advantage. a lot is an advantage.. having a good computer that don't lag is an advantage, having a good internet is an advantage.. etc etc.lol LolShockedRollBig smile
Nolak Ataru
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#3072 - 2015-01-03 11:48:21 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Nolak Ataru said '...I have never gibbeerd or acted hysterical...'
He also said '...and proven to CCP that you are the lunatics...'
On a more serious note, I did say before that the whole thing seems to be much ado about nothing.
So either the limited changes CCP have made to the rules governing the use of ISboxer have not really impacted on the play-style of ISboxers, or they have, in which case CCP probably did the right thing.


Still don't see where I ranted and raved about "the Man is keepin me down" (very heavily paraphrased with the help of two screwdrivers).
I've admitted that this will stop the HQ solo runners. I'll also admit it will stop the 50-man bombing runs from the larger fleets. But anyone who's dedicated enough will and has found a way to continue multiboxing. Scroll wheel down bound to F1, scroll wheel up bound to left click, and ta-da.
If CCP wanted to do the right thing, they would've balanced the game instead of immediately pulling out the banhammer.
Josef Djugashvilis
#3073 - 2015-01-03 12:03:01 UTC
Nolak Ataru wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Nolak Ataru said '...I have never gibbeerd or acted hysterical...'
He also said '...and proven to CCP that you are the lunatics...'
On a more serious note, I did say before that the whole thing seems to be much ado about nothing.
So either the limited changes CCP have made to the rules governing the use of ISboxer have not really impacted on the play-style of ISboxers, or they have, in which case CCP probably did the right thing.


Still don't see where I ranted and raved about "the Man is keepin me down" (very heavily paraphrased with the help of two screwdrivers).
I've admitted that this will stop the HQ solo runners. I'll also admit it will stop the 50-man bombing runs from the larger fleets. But anyone who's dedicated enough will and has found a way to continue multiboxing. Scroll wheel down bound to F1, scroll wheel up bound to left click, and ta-da.
If CCP wanted to do the right thing, they would've balanced the game instead of immediately pulling out the banhammer.


On a purely personal level, as I have said before, I want everybody and their alts to ISbox very large mining fleets to keep down the costs of the raw materials I need for my production of T1 rigs etc.

This means that on a personal level, I am not for, or against ISboxing in terms of whether or not it is bad or good for the game as a whole.

I leave that for CCP to decide.

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BrundleMeth
State War Academy
Caldari State
#3074 - 2015-01-03 12:55:13 UTC
Zappity wrote:
Atuesuel wrote:
...i have three accounts and 3 installs and 3 screens and have all ways input all there commands manually.

What is the advantage of using three installations rather than one to multi box? Is this a performance thing or a settings retention thing?
All this talk about Alt-Tab to use other clients. This is in no way true Multi Boxing, just Multi Clients. The word BOX refers to a separate computer not a separate client. I can truly Multi Box with 4 complete and separate PC's. None of this crappy Alt tabbling goofiness...
ESN Seeker
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3075 - 2015-01-03 16:40:58 UTC
BrundleMeth wrote:
Zappity wrote:
Atuesuel wrote:
...i have three accounts and 3 installs and 3 screens and have all ways input all there commands manually.

What is the advantage of using three installations rather than one to multi box? Is this a performance thing or a settings retention thing?
All this talk about Alt-Tab to use other clients. This is in no way true Multi Boxing, just Multi Clients. The word BOX refers to a separate computer not a separate client. I can truly Multi Box with 4 complete and separate PC's. None of this crappy Alt tabbling goofiness...

There is something in what you say, but it gets complicated nowadays, what with multiple virtual machines within a single BOX, or even multiple separate nodes within a single box, such as SuperMicro TwinPro
BrundleMeth
State War Academy
Caldari State
#3076 - 2015-01-03 17:49:26 UTC  |  Edited by: BrundleMeth
ESN Seeker wrote:
BrundleMeth wrote:
Zappity wrote:
Atuesuel wrote:
...i have three accounts and 3 installs and 3 screens and have all ways input all there commands manually.

What is the advantage of using three installations rather than one to multi box? Is this a performance thing or a settings retention thing?
All this talk about Alt-Tab to use other clients. This is in no way true Multi Boxing, just Multi Clients. The word BOX refers to a separate computer not a separate client. I can truly Multi Box with 4 complete and separate PC's. None of this crappy Alt tabbling goofiness...

There is something in what you say, but it gets complicated nowadays, what with multiple virtual machines within a single BOX, or even multiple separate nodes within a single box, such as SuperMicro TwinPro

Yes...

I like however how I can glance at each monitor very quickly...


Nolak Ataru wrote:
To put this as gently as I can, don't judge a man until you've walked a mile in his shoes.

Or gone on a date wearing his panties...
Nolak Ataru
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#3077 - 2015-01-03 20:16:51 UTC
BrundleMeth wrote:
Nolak Ataru wrote:
To put this as gently as I can, don't judge a man until you've walked a mile in his shoes.

Or gone on a date wearing his panties...

Whatever floats your boat.
Atuesuel
Kenshin.
Fraternity.
#3078 - 2015-01-04 01:13:18 UTC
BrundleMeth wrote:
Zappity wrote:
Atuesuel wrote:
...i have three accounts and 3 installs and 3 screens and have all ways input all there commands manually.

What is the advantage of using three installations rather than one to multi box? Is this a performance thing or a settings retention thing?
All this talk about Alt-Tab to use other clients. This is in no way true Multi Boxing, just Multi Clients. The word BOX refers to a separate computer not a separate client. I can truly Multi Box with 4 complete and separate PC's. None of this crappy Alt tabbling goofiness...


WRONG!!!

Multiboxing refers to playing as multiple separate characters simultaneously in an MMORPGs. This can either be achieved by using multiple separate machines to run the game or by running multiple separate instances of the game. and if you have as many screens as you do toons you don't need to alt tab. your builds must be pretty crappy to have to use 4
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#3079 - 2015-01-04 01:19:48 UTC
I got a laptop, a surface pro, my main desktop, and a friend's comp that I've been fixing for about a year.

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Myrkul Nightshade
Doomheim
#3080 - 2015-01-04 17:42:09 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Nolak Ataru wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Nolak Ataru said '...I have never gibbeerd or acted hysterical...'
He also said '...and proven to CCP that you are the lunatics...'
On a more serious note, I did say before that the whole thing seems to be much ado about nothing.
So either the limited changes CCP have made to the rules governing the use of ISboxer have not really impacted on the play-style of ISboxers, or they have, in which case CCP probably did the right thing.


Still don't see where I ranted and raved about "the Man is keepin me down" (very heavily paraphrased with the help of two screwdrivers).
I've admitted that this will stop the HQ solo runners. I'll also admit it will stop the 50-man bombing runs from the larger fleets. But anyone who's dedicated enough will and has found a way to continue multiboxing. Scroll wheel down bound to F1, scroll wheel up bound to left click, and ta-da.
If CCP wanted to do the right thing, they would've balanced the game instead of immediately pulling out the banhammer.


On a purely personal level, as I have said before, I want everybody and their alts to ISbox very large mining fleets to keep down the costs of the raw materials I need for my production of T1 rigs etc.

This means that on a personal level, I am not for, or against ISboxing in terms of whether or not it is bad or good for the game as a whole.

I leave that for CCP to decide.


Yet at the same time miners will be happy to be getting paid more.

The trouble with a game that allows multiple kinds of fun is that no one course of action ever makes everyone equally happy.


As for me, I'll just be glad to be able to go into Jita and not have to go through the list of spammers setting them each to "block" "block" "block"..... only to have a new spammer pop up. Or is that use of macros still allowed? (God I hope not.)