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Update regarding Multiboxing and input automation

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Marsha Mallow
#3001 - 2014-12-31 21:35:00 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Grow up kid.

You first

Ripard Teg > For the morons in the room:

Sweets > U can dd my face any day

Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#3002 - 2014-12-31 22:46:56 UTC
release-levels of anticipation, right hurr.

(this is going to be so bad)
ashley Eoner
#3003 - 2014-12-31 23:09:39 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
release-levels of anticipation, right hurr.

(this is going to be so bad)

I've set skill queues and logged off for good. Accounts will run out this month. I'll watch the forums to see how many innocents are being banned.

While I can run stuff without the multiplex/repeater ability I'm just not confident in CCP's ability to fairly enforce this new rule.
Kireek Amblecrown
Macabre Votum
Northern Coalition.
#3004 - 2015-01-01 00:40:34 UTC
Multiboxer here.

The change isn't going to be that big of a deal to miners with 10 or less accounts. Those that are crying about it are babies, and I don't mind if they quit the game. My only concern is the way CCP is going to handle reports/bans, especially if folks who aren't broadcasting keys get banned just for using multiple accounts.

Time will tell.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#3005 - 2015-01-01 02:34:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
Kireek Amblecrown wrote:
My only concern is the way CCP is going to handle reports/bans, especially if folks who aren't broadcasting keys get banned just for using multiple accounts.

Time will tell.

If you get banned or whatever don't come here to tell us about it on your boosting alt.

Because doubtless a bunch of people will just disappear regardless of playing by the rules or whatever, not that there's any way to find out officially.
ashley Eoner wrote:
I'll watch the forums to see how many innocents are being banned.

While I can run stuff without the multiplex/repeater ability I'm just not confident in CCP's ability to fairly enforce this new rule.

You better be F5ing this really fast because doubtless any thread will be deleted by isd

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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#3006 - 2015-01-01 03:43:10 UTC
The part that worries me is the incongruence between GM and other CCP guidance. I'm not going to martyr myself and try the F1-F8 smartbomb thing. Nnnnoep.
kraken11 jensen
ROOKS AND KRAKENS
#3007 - 2015-01-01 10:33:43 UTC  |  Edited by: kraken11 jensen
lol, allready People raging in local at me.. 3 accounts not that hard to multibox to put it that way. lol. No brodcasting thingy here :D doing all afther the rules :) he says he got in fraps'etc. and that i warped trought the gate at ''exsactly same time'' ... well. idk what to say. (edit: lol)
Nidal Fervor
Doomheim
#3008 - 2015-01-01 11:00:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Nidal Fervor
As a multiboxer who hates isboxer and all input broadcasting, I'd just like to make one point.

If you see a fleet of characters warping from gate to gate all at the same time, you don't need to cheat to do this. Warp gang to stargate, and then right click stargate and select jump on each character. Simple.
kraken11 jensen
ROOKS AND KRAKENS
#3009 - 2015-01-01 12:40:15 UTC  |  Edited by: kraken11 jensen
Nidal Fervor wrote:
As a multiboxer who hates isboxer and all input broadcasting, I'd just like to make one point.

If you see a fleet of characters warping from gate to gate all at the same time, you don't need to cheat to do this. Warp gang to stargate, and then right click stargate and select jump on each character. Simple.



was that one meant for me in any way? (i dont say it was or anything) or did you just say it to everyone? :P

edit:huh.
BrundleMeth
State War Academy
Caldari State
#3010 - 2015-01-01 13:59:31 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
So now the reality comes out. You have no idea how ISBoxing actually works (it's absolutely nothing like botting, not even remotely) and you have some stick up you're ass about multiboxers. "Waah waah waah, you're all scumbags waah". Grow up kid.

I was never really interested in ISBoxer before. But with all the sniveling and whining going on, I think I'm gonna give it a try....
kraken11 jensen
ROOKS AND KRAKENS
#3011 - 2015-01-01 15:15:36 UTC  |  Edited by: kraken11 jensen
BrundleMeth wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
So now the reality comes out. You have no idea how ISBoxing actually works (it's absolutely nothing like botting, not even remotely) and you have some stick up you're ass about multiboxers. "Waah waah waah, you're all scumbags waah". Grow up kid.

I was never really interested in ISBoxer before. But with all the sniveling and whining going on, I think I'm gonna give it a try....



hehe :) i hope you find it enjoyable :P o.o

(like, fun) anyway, i have never multiboxed for isk, or stuff like that... but becous i just liked it, (tought it was fun) so Yeah. (just to say, never said anyone did or did not say) hehe :D

And i wish you an happy New year :)
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#3012 - 2015-01-01 16:04:17 UTC
Nidal Fervor wrote:
As a multiboxer who hates isboxer and all input broadcasting, I'd just like to make one point.

If you see a fleet of characters warping from gate to gate all at the same time, you don't need to cheat to do this. Warp gang to stargate, and then right click stargate and select jump on each character. Simple.

click the gate in overview, press D while in warp. it takes after you land.
Miomeifeng Alduin
Lithonauts Inc.
#3013 - 2015-01-01 18:47:49 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
Nidal Fervor wrote:
As a multiboxer who hates isboxer and all input broadcasting, I'd just like to make one point.

If you see a fleet of characters warping from gate to gate all at the same time, you don't need to cheat to do this. Warp gang to stargate, and then right click stargate and select jump on each character. Simple.

click the gate in overview, press D while in warp. it takes after you land.


I think you mean press D + click the gate. Just D doesn't do anything (just tested it to be sure that nothing changed).
Josef Djugashvilis
#3014 - 2015-01-01 19:50:49 UTC
Well, did the sky fall in?

This is not a signature.

Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#3015 - 2015-01-01 20:08:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Rain6637
Miomeifeng Alduin wrote:
Rain6637 wrote:
Nidal Fervor wrote:
As a multiboxer who hates isboxer and all input broadcasting, I'd just like to make one point.

If you see a fleet of characters warping from gate to gate all at the same time, you don't need to cheat to do this. Warp gang to stargate, and then right click stargate and select jump on each character. Simple.

click the gate in overview, press D while in warp. it takes after you land.


I think you mean press D + click the gate. Just D doesn't do anything (just tested it to be sure that nothing changed).

been using it for years. fleet warp, and on each client select the gate in overview, and press d. repeat.

not only that, but if you click the wrong gate and press d, after you land the ship will warp to the wrong gate and jump.

pressing control+space while in warp cancels the command. it's like hot locking, except hot docking/jumping.

as soon as the FC says "gate is green" or "jump on contact" the client gets the d
ashley Eoner
#3016 - 2015-01-01 20:34:21 UTC  |  Edited by: ashley Eoner
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Kireek Amblecrown wrote:
My only concern is the way CCP is going to handle reports/bans, especially if folks who aren't broadcasting keys get banned just for using multiple accounts.

Time will tell.

If you get banned or whatever don't come here to tell us about it on your boosting alt.

Because doubtless a bunch of people will just disappear regardless of playing by the rules or whatever, not that there's any way to find out officially.
ashley Eoner wrote:
I'll watch the forums to see how many innocents are being banned.

While I can run stuff without the multiplex/repeater ability I'm just not confident in CCP's ability to fairly enforce this new rule.

You better be F5ing this really fast because doubtless any thread will be deleted by isd

That is true but I prefer to stick to the word of people I know and trust over some random dude on the eve forums. I know people who will continue their boxing endeavors post jan 1st. Those are the ones I will be watching.


For gate to gate I would use fleet warp. For gate usage I would use the D+click on each client.
Miomeifeng Alduin
Lithonauts Inc.
#3017 - 2015-01-01 21:41:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Miomeifeng Alduin
Rain6637 wrote:
Miomeifeng Alduin wrote:
Rain6637 wrote:
Nidal Fervor wrote:
As a multiboxer who hates isboxer and all input broadcasting, I'd just like to make one point.

If you see a fleet of characters warping from gate to gate all at the same time, you don't need to cheat to do this. Warp gang to stargate, and then right click stargate and select jump on each character. Simple.

click the gate in overview, press D while in warp. it takes after you land.


I think you mean press D + click the gate. Just D doesn't do anything (just tested it to be sure that nothing changed).

been using it for years. fleet warp, and on each client select the gate in overview, and press d. repeat.

not only that, but if you click the wrong gate and press d, after you land the ship will warp to the wrong gate and jump.

pressing control+space while in warp cancels the command. it's like hot locking, except hot docking/jumping.

as soon as the FC says "gate is green" or "jump on contact" the client gets the d


Strange. Unless its something which only works with fleetwarp. tried multiple times, but i can't get it to work:

-initiate warp.
-while in warp press D.
-hang at 0 at the destination gate because no jump happens.

On my client, i can't use the hotkeys without clicking a target while pressing the hotkey. (been one of my major problems with the system. Is it a setting somewhere which i haven't found yet maybe?
Alana Packham
Corporation N
#3018 - 2015-01-01 22:25:16 UTC
1 post by CCP

over 3000 posts by people who probably don't even play the game.

PVP'ers are upset because they are being killed. Don't quite get that, no matter how drunk I get.

No new EULA, no update to the EULA, not even a mention on the login screen.

Is the OP still even working for CCP?

If this is an actual serious post..

I'm a multi-box miner who only came to this game to be able to use multiple accounts, I use multi-box software for fleet set-ups and moving the fleet, plus all the irritating things like opening 16 cargo bays, getting most of them to show the ore hold, launching drones and all the other pain in the arse things (like clicking on 16 'the server will be shutting down' 3 times in an hour). Selecting roids, moving ships around inside belts and mining I do individually.

For me that was the main point of this game.

Now unfortunately because people who play the PVP side of the game are getting shot (thought that was a part of PVP (and don't say there are more of them then us, try being ganked by 15 cats every hour of the day)) the miners are yet again to suffer.

What was an interesting mining setup is to be turned into a series of pointless endless mouse clicks.

Ice mining, Ore mining, surviving gankers (and pointing out they are useless wankers), hauling ore, refining, shipping mats, maybe some indy, bit of PVE missioning. All of that is gone as by the time I get my fleets to where I want them and start mining I am so bored I play something else.

And I can't figure out why the EULA change. The game became what it is by allowing things to happen. Cutting massive aspects out of the game (this change is a massive aspect to me if not to you) can only limit it even further, the term sandbox died a long, long time ago.

But I'm gonna stay until I get suspended, the way this is going it will be probably for 2 accounts being logged in within a 500 mile radius of each other but I'll be here until then.

Then after my suspension I'm gonna jettison my huge collection of PLEX into space 1 at a time and shoot them, then buy up all the spare PLEX in the game and shoot them, that'll probably be the most satisfaction this game will have to offer by that time.

I suppose the other option would be to join a PVP guild, spend all day every day camped on a gate with 40 other people just in case someone comes through, but no one will, as all that will be left by then are gate campers, gankers and bots.

So I think not, if I want PVP I'll play a PVP game, not an alleged sandbox that offers a mix of PVP and PVE where you can do whatever you want, unless it's anything you want.

apologies for the rambling, truncated post as I'm trying to write it while drunk and remembering how much fun WOT can be if you have no worries about 'friendly fire'.

btw can we please have a new promotional video entitled 'I was there the day EVE died'?

Its not that the Dev's have never been hi-sec miners, more that if they ever admitted it they'd be designing new pattern's in the dust as they sweep the car park. Would you employ someone who spends all day mining in hi?

Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#3019 - 2015-01-01 23:08:28 UTC
1) Eve will not die. Those players who left due to the scourge of multicasters will come back.

2) Its not just the PvP players complaining. Its also the miners and PvE players.

Ice miners do not like seeing the spawns vacuumed up in minutes by multicaster fleets.
Ore miners do not like seeing belts vacuumed up in minutes by multicaster fleets.
All miners do not like dieing to one player using multicasting to control 15 gank cats.
Incursion runners do not like seeing sites done by one player multicasting a fleet.

When the game becomes "Use multicasting, or you are irrelevant", its time for a change.

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Alana Packham
Corporation N
#3020 - 2015-01-01 23:36:36 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
1) Eve will not die. Those players who left due to the scourge of multicasters will come back.

2) Its not just the PvP players complaining. Its also the miners and PvE players.

Ice miners do not like seeing the spawns vacuumed up in minutes by multicaster fleets.
Ore miners do not like seeing belts vacuumed up in minutes by multicaster fleets.
All miners do not like dieing to one player using multicasting to control 15 gank cats.
Incursion runners do not like seeing sites done by one player multicasting a fleet.

When the game becomes "Use multicasting, or you are irrelevant", its time for a change.



1) Players who come back usually complain non-stop and find another reason to leave.

2) Any miner who is out of a venture and does not want to multi-account is not a gamer: they are playing while in work, to avoid talking to their partner or playing another game while 'mining' in EVE.

There are very few Ice miners left as the isk in Ice mining died a few patches ago, those that are left multi account (see 2)
Ore miners who watch a belt being sucked up by someone else are afkers who complain afterwards. Finding a system and belts that are 'all yours' is a part of ore mining everyone goes through, unless they want to be spoon fed.
In my very vast experience of gankers most are not multi-accounter's. If those that attack you are, think hard about why.
Never multi-accounted in my time in incursions, but everyone in the game has the option to multi-account, CCP offer cheap deals to do so, it is a part of the game they want. If incursion runners don't like it - DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT - fly in, kill their basilisks, Scimitars or whatever they use and watch them die. Or just sit there crying 'It's not fair.'

The game is not "Use multicasting, or you are irrelevant", never said that.
My mining setup is multi-accounted and as long as I mine always will be, that is what I enjoy and a rule change is gonna destroy that.
Every person who uses multi-accounting software has major weaknesses, in a game like this those should be found and used against them instead of CCP having to change rules.

Its not that the Dev's have never been hi-sec miners, more that if they ever admitted it they'd be designing new pattern's in the dust as they sweep the car park. Would you employ someone who spends all day mining in hi?