EVE General Discussion

Definitely a good thing. I think about 85% of the changes CCP make I agree with for the most part. The wormhole mechanics changes were a real bastard to lower class holes while high class holes it made a lot better. I moved out of my c2-c3 because of them. I see no benefit to the broadcasting ban though for anyone.

All these selfish people who always only see their own interests
and never care about anything else but themselves.

Disgusting freaks.

The amount of bullshit some people's minds come up with
just to feel justified in whining, raging or crying about this change is flabbergasting.


Most of you people who complain about this lack any decency,
or dignity, or understanding of this game beyond your small scope you call "viewpoint".


It's no loss at all when you are gone.

There are plenty of reasons reasons to oppose this change that have merit.
1. The DEVs said there would be no change to multiboxing then changed their minds. - People have spent a lot of time and money in developing a multiboxing system that allows them to play eve the way they want to. (Sandbox Remember?) To be approved to do this and then go back on that is very bad form.

2. I think we can all agree that you can't pilot multiple accounts with the efficiency that you can pilot one and the difficulty increases exponentially the more accounts you use. Sure an ISBoxer can do more than a single player ... he's paid and worked for the ability to do that the same as anyone else can. Just because you have no desire to do this is irrelevant. Sandbox right?

3. The people who are bitching about it have no valid grounds to *****. Oh that multiboxer with teh bombers got me waaa waaa. Lets be crybabies and petition ccp for all our lossmails. If you got bombed I guess you weren't vigilant enough to avoid it, but no it's not your fault it's that isboxer who did more work and preparation while you were blindly ratting away then you can even comprehend.... Or.... oh this multiboxer is clearing all the ore sites or combat sites. He should have to fleet with other people and not do it solo.. you don't like it form your own damn fleet with other people and wardec them or if you sniveling bears ever come out of highsec just take matters into your own hands. Sandbox rules right?

It's ok ... you whine and cry enough ccp will make the rest of us conform to what you want and we will still always be better than you so you will continue to petition and whine and cry at every opportunity. This game is like the burning crusade expansion of WoW .. hard as **** and unforgiving... by the time you are done whining and crying we will have pandas and faceroll content in every corner. You will get what you want and we will move on to another game. Fortunately we are not there yet and I sincerely hope that CCP moves away from this sandbox for toddlers mentatity and puts the game back in the real players control.

To be fair, you being an unaffected multiboxer means nothing is changing for *some* multiboxers.

pssh, lots of people were filming.

and second, ISBoxers are not a citizen of anything. And you can still use ISBoxer with no problem. You just can't unse input boardcast. Thus, Multiboxing is not changing, just the way you were is. That's the difference. By definition, I am correct.

This is the equivlant of saying that because Dr, Who is cancled that all geeks are being punished.. no, only Dr. Who fans are punished, the rest will shrugs it off.

Welcome to eve, Adapt or die, HTFU and if you cancle accounts you can contract me your stuff, i'll keep it safe for you.

1) so? Who owns the game? Who makes the rules? It doesn't matter if someone spent a billion dollars making a program to work with eve and then ccp said 'no worry we don't want you to that' This argument is stupid. This is like you owning a house with a lot of land, some guy decides 'well you are not using this section of your land, so i'll build a house here' For whatever reason you did not notice till the done and you tell him 'no get off my land' the argument 'but I spent xxx amount making the house.." means jack. You do not own eve, CCP does, they are lords and gods. They can do whatever the hell they want, we just play here. And proof that they said they were not changing multiboxing? Cause I have not seen or heard any. And again Multiboxing is not changing. So there is no lie.

2) again, how much the input broadcaster paid is irrelviant. A Bot pays a lot for that program or for someone to make said program, should they be allowed to bot? A RMT pays a lot of money to setup websites so he can sell his crap, should he be allowed to? A car theif pays for the equipment and the skill to steal your car, should you just let him? That's the point. It does not matter how much time or money someone put into something. This is CCP's game. Last I checked you don't own CCP. Thus your opinion means nothing. And I've ran 5 accounts in wormhole sites at the same time with no issues, by alt tabing, so your point is what?

3) once again... Do you own ccp? They make the rules, and they decided that input broadcast was bad for the game. That all there is to it. End of discussion.

I highlighted a word you might find interesting.
The irony coming from your post is so strong I could use it to make a longsword. This was never about ISBoxer itself being banned, despite what the trolls and the ill-informed would like you to think. This was about input broadcasting. And as I said before (which you ever-so-quickly ignored) ISBoxers ARE BY DEFINITION MULTIBOXERS. Therefore, anything which affects ISBoxers and people who use input broadcasting software affects multiboxers via set-of-value rules.


Fixed your earlier statement and removed strawman argument. An even better statement would be something like "Because Star Trek is being cancelled, geeks are being hurt" but even that's iffy.

And lastly, you tell me to HTFU when this entire change was brought about by whiners such as yourself complaining instead of adapting. Again, the irony here is strong. I've not complained in my posts. My fellow players and I presented arguments as to why this change should not occur, only to be met with strawman arguments, trolling, appeals to authority, attempts to bring emotion into this, using arguments to attack ISBoxing while excusing station trading, and an endless stream of "umad?", "stop crying", and no-true-scotsman fallacies. If anyone needs to HTFU, it's the whiners and the trollers.

Selfishness over and over.

If isboxing stays you all will leave as soon as there are mostly isboxers left playing.
Not that they could keep the game alive anyway.

No one cares about you, because you only care about yourselves.

You do not care about the game at all.

When people stop joining this game because most people are multiboxing
this game is doomed. You do not care at all about this fact.

Even 1000 isboxing accounts gone is a drop in the bucket compared to the
long time damage you people do to the integrity of the reality of this game.

Does anyone consider how it looks to have "karl heinz001" to "karlheinz100" in local?
No.

Does anyone of you care about how it looks to have dozens of toons look equal?
No.

Does anyone of you care that you do not actually provide content in an equal manner
as the same amount of real people would?
No.

Do you care about the impression this creates for people who aren't playing yet?
No.

Your only arguments are based on selfishness.


You are no loss.


Go compensate your lack of self worth somewhere else.


Bye bye... you won't be missed!

The funny thing is, no-one has really been whining and crying over this topic other than you and a handful of others. Most of the wider playerbase aren't all that interested either way (other than sniggering at the hysterical and ineffectual tantrum).

There wasn't even a concerted 'campaign' from the playerbase to ban ISboxing, despite this wierd victim mentality you have. Every whine thread about the topic that I can recall seeing in the last few months has been slapped down by forumites because CCP had stated their postition and weren't budging on it. For whatever reason they've decided to change that, and given it's a bold step in a series of bold steps, did you actually expect anything other than cheering?

For those of us unaffected there are no negative effects (irrelevant scrubs got backhanded, news at 11, ohhh maybe plex prices will drop etc). No offense, but... I quite like CCP, even though they are a bit daft (maybe because they are). You are not particularly likeable. I'd work on that when attempting to get sympathy. They generally act in the best interests of their game, and since I like their game, I'll support them. You act in your interests, rant on and on, then threaten to quit. And have a massive tantrum when everyone else laughs.

You're a bunch of semi legal botting farmer peasant scumbags who deserve nothing, have earned nothing but contempt, and deserve a smack in the chops. Don't think for a second the comments made here have helped your cause, you just publically immoliated yourselves. You brought this on yourselves btw by smugging too loudly about a practice which is at heart, cheating. Those smug youtube vids encrouraged fringe groups to jump on the fail train and abuse the crap out of it while they could. Interestingly, they aren't whining.

Those of you who have posted 200+ times in this thread, with reasonably articulate arguments, are basically deranged.
GF scrubs o7

Because obviously the past few years with ISBoxer being allowed, clearly EVE died, right? And more income, that's definitely a terrible idea for CCP!

Prove this actually happens on scale. I guarantee more players leave because of gankers and scammers than multiboxers.

Seriously, be a better troll at least.