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wonneman
Meltem Down Mining Corp.
The-Expanse
#2641 - 2014-12-16 13:07:16 UTC
Rawthorm wrote:
Opertone wrote:
people who macro all day long - deprive me of player driven environment (they create min max bot driven spam world)

I have less motivation to play the game, because I need to rely on macroes to stay competitive.

Macro players ruin my fun in EVE.

lim (marcro rage -> +8) (eve universe diversity/macro rage) -> Singularity -> const.
(static frozen world, no player driven deviation)

where macro rage is exponential


Can you honestly say that just because there may be 30 toons sitting next to you, that the mind numbing task of mining is suddenly less fun? And why should the level to which someone can get obsessive with EvE be capped at wherever you feel your effort to reward ratio sits and no further? Eve has always been about squeezing out that last half a % to get an edge over the other guy and if you can't bothered then don't complain when others are more competitive than you.

It's bad enough as it is that the once glorious EvE sandbox now comes with an assembly guide and a pre-aproved list of what you can and can't do. The last thing we need to do is remove the last few rewards for taking the effort to be ahead of the curve.

Ahead of the curve huh. Is the curve ur talking about taking 50 toons to an ice field and mining it everyday and every time it spawns to buy plex to play for free.... seems you are depriving ccp of some funds. Ahead of the curve in your eyes is being able to use a third party software or hardware to automate one click of the mouse across multiple toons. hahahahahahahahahahaha You have a funny way of thinking your ahead of the curve.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#2642 - 2014-12-16 13:12:05 UTC
Zerberus Valheru wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Zerberus Valheru wrote:
Ethically there is very little difference between macro multi-boxing and good old fashioned aimbots.
Well, no. One is a generally accepted method of multiboxing with reduced effort (when by macro you don't mean automated botting), the other is a well established method of cheating. The only thing they have in common is that you dislike them because you think other people should be forced to play in the same way you do, and think it's unfair when someone has more than you.


Nah mate I just make the point that they're both download skill.
Take it as you will.
I take it you'll be campaigning against marketing tools like elinor and eve-mentat, fitting calculation tools like EFT and pyfa, and a whole host of other third party tools too then? Because all of those things are as much download skill as any other. No way would I be able to make as much trading if I didn't have a whole host of tools, databases and spreadsheets pulling data and running calculations for me.

The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.

Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Battle Cube
Cube Collective
#2643 - 2014-12-16 13:25:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Battle Cube
Rawthorm wrote:
Opertone wrote:
people who macro all day long - deprive me of player driven environment (they create min max bot driven spam world)

I have less motivation to play the game, because I need to rely on macroes to stay competitive.

Macro players ruin my fun in EVE.

lim (marcro rage -> +8) (eve universe diversity/macro rage) -> Singularity -> const.
(static frozen world, no player driven deviation)

where macro rage is exponential


Can you honestly say that just because there may be 30 toons sitting next to you, that the mind numbing task of mining is suddenly less fun? And why should the level to which someone can get obsessive with EvE be capped at wherever you feel your effort to reward ratio sits and no further? Eve has always been about squeezing out that last half a % to get an edge over the other guy and if you can't bothered then don't complain when others are more competitive than you.

It's bad enough as it is that the once glorious EvE sandbox now comes with an assembly guide and a pre-aproved list of what you can and can't do. The last thing we need to do is remove the last few rewards for taking the effort to be ahead of the curve.


Being a multiboxer, i started a second character because playing 1 alone began to get boring, and i knew the support would help a lot (i was running missions). And that was all fine and good, but later i saw actual multiboxers - running a dozen or more ships at various activities, and personally that excited me, and i had a new goal in EvE.

Personally, seeing 30 toons mining ice made it more fun. I find it funny that someone would get angry at it XD "How dare you do something i disagree with! " XD

The people who just get butthurt because multiboxers exist in any form, i dont know how to respond to that kind of attitude.

and besides all of that, the main argument is that multiboxers can somehow gain more than an ordinary player (and you can argue whether it matters if its per character or per player, etc) but the thing is.... everyone has the same opportunity to multibox if they want to. I built the computer i currently use in ORDER to multibox.
Lady Areola Fappington
#2644 - 2014-12-16 17:01:23 UTC
[quote=Lucas KellTrue, but with how fast manual multiboxers can be, the threashold will be pretty low. And for a broadcasters it's not about speed, it's simply about effort. They will still be able to pace their keypresses leaving the accounts staggered, but without needing to manually switch between clients to do so. Other than being slightly staggered, there will be no difference.

EDIT: And I will truly laugh my ass off if they start banning manual multiboxers. It's CCP so it's likely to happen.[/quote]


It really does depend on CCP interpretation, and that's the scary part of it all. Personally, I don't see an issue with a staggered round-robin. The pause between effective keystrokes, that'll be deciding point, I think.

A reasonable delay to fit into the "no faster than the typical manual multiboxer" would likely be the safest bet. Maybe something like a .5 second delay between key commands. I see it becoming iffy when, as the example given, someone binds change focus-f1 to, say, a scroll wheel on a mouse. Flick of the finger, you've popped off 15 commands in the space of a server tick, and in comes CCP with something along the lines of "might as well have been broadcasting".


Knowing CCP though, it will be some silly low number, and a few purely manual multiboxers will get snapped up.

7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided. --Eve New Player Guide
Nolak Ataru
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#2645 - 2014-12-16 17:05:44 UTC
wonneman wrote:
seems you are depriving ccp of some funds.


Implying there's a button for multiboxers that magically makes subs cost nothing.
Implying someone didn't buy the PLEX to sell on the market
Implying increased PLEX value means lesser incentive to buy PLEX with cash and sell it on the market.
Implying 3rd party software means nothing in EVE.

Are you even trying to troll anymore?

I started playing EVE with my dad. When he got a job transfer, he couldn't play as often (if at all) so he handed me the account. I found it very fun and challenging to alt-tab between the two running two separate missions, or running them both in an incursion fleet.

I've never been good at market trading or industry, yet you don't see me running around demanding their heads because I can't handle the spreadsheets or time spent sorting through the market. I'm not running around telling the null theory-crafters what to do . Why are you attempting to dictate to us how we should play the game?
Drago Shouna
Doomheim
#2646 - 2014-12-16 17:27:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Drago Shouna
Nolak Ataru wrote:
wonneman wrote:
seems you are depriving ccp of some funds.


Implying there's a button for multiboxers that magically makes subs cost nothing.
Implying someone didn't buy the PLEX to sell on the market
Implying increased PLEX value means lesser incentive to buy PLEX with cash and sell it on the market.
Implying 3rd party software means nothing in EVE.

Are you even trying to troll anymore?

I started playing EVE with my dad. When he got a job transfer, he couldn't play as often (if at all) so he handed me the account. I found it very fun and challenging to alt-tab between the two running two separate missions, or running them both in an incursion fleet.

I've never been good at market trading or industry, yet you don't see me running around demanding their heads because I can't handle the spreadsheets or time spent sorting through the market. I'm not running around telling the null theory-crafters what to do . Why are you attempting to dictate to us how we should play the game?


So your account sharing?

Solecist Project...." They refuse to play by the rules and laws of the game and use it as excuse ..." " They don't care about how you play as long as they get to play how they want."

Welcome to EVE.
Nolak Ataru
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#2647 - 2014-12-16 18:20:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Nolak Ataru
Drago Shouna wrote:
Nolak Ataru wrote:
wonneman wrote:
seems you are depriving ccp of some funds.


Implying there's a button for multiboxers that magically makes subs cost nothing.
Implying someone didn't buy the PLEX to sell on the market
Implying increased PLEX value means lesser incentive to buy PLEX with cash and sell it on the market.
Implying 3rd party software means nothing in EVE.

Are you even trying to troll anymore?

I started playing EVE with my dad. When he got a job transfer, he couldn't play as often (if at all) so he handed me the account. I found it very fun and challenging to alt-tab between the two running two separate missions, or running them both in an incursion fleet.

I've never been good at market trading or industry, yet you don't see me running around demanding their heads because I can't handle the spreadsheets or time spent sorting through the market. I'm not running around telling the null theory-crafters what to do . Why are you attempting to dictate to us how we should play the game?


So your account sharing?


In the sense that my father quit EVE, I picked up paying for the account, and he hasn't touched it since, I guess?
BTW, in case you didn't know, the "no account sharing" clause was mostly made to combat people saying "he logged into my account and stole my isk, please help" people.

e: and yes, I asked a GM's advice on what to do when this first occurred, and he said as long as he doesn't log in and I'm paying for it, it should be fine.
Opertone
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2648 - 2014-12-16 20:04:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Opertone
It is very hard to fight the capital gathered by bots, you simply can not make as much as they can.

Challenge is something desirable, based on the assumption that everyone has equal approach. Money and assets in game depend on the man hours played multiplied by efficiency. In this scenario you face real people, who have weaknesses and the challenge is hard but enjoyable.

When somebody has access to automation, they create frustration for other players, which forces other players to employ automation. It turns into a battle without variables, without the input of free will vs human limitations. Bots max out everything, the game turns even more predictable than a linear progression.

Finally multiple accounts take away human to human interaction. You think that you busted an entire corporation, ruining the assets of different people, when in fact you only damaged one man's fleet of ice miners. His reaction is not very exciting and his response will be repeatable mining. If that were real people, their response could be far more intriguing - tears, hate mail, war dec, hiring mercs, forum attention that gets more people involved into the conflict.

Finally, if you only had one character in game, your action would be more authentic. Real risk taking, accepting consequences, no effortless spying and much more to corporate theft and eternal fate.

People who control 10 characters at once - make the game extremely plain, deprived of variety human interaction for those who don't.

This post sums up why the 'best' work with DCM inc.

WARP DRIVE makes eve boring

really - add warping align time 300% on gun aggression and eve becomes great again
Nolak Ataru
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#2649 - 2014-12-16 20:19:33 UTC
Opertone wrote:
It is very hard to fight the capital gathered by bots, you simply can not make as much as they can.

Challenge is something desirable, based on the assumption that everyone has equal approach. Money and assets in game depend on the man hours played multiplied by efficiency. In this scenario you face real people, who have weaknesses and the challenge is hard but enjoyable.

When somebody has access to automation, they create frustration for other players, which forces other players to employ automation. It turns into a battle without variables, without the input of free will vs human limitations. Bots max out everything, the game turns even more predictable than a linear progression.

Finally multiple accounts take away human to human interaction. You think that you busted an entire corporation, ruining the assets of different people, when in fact you only damaged one man's fleet of ice miners. His reaction is not very exciting and his response will be repeatable mining. If that were real people, their response could be far more intriguing - tears, hate mail, war dec, hiring mercs, forum attention that gets more people involved into the conflict.

Finally, if you only had one character in game, your action would be more authentic. Real risk taking, accepting consequences, no effortless spying and much more to corporate theft and eternal fate.

People who control 10 characters at once - make the game extremely plain, deprived of variety human interaction for those who don't.


This post makes no sense. You completely ignore the fact that the boxer must pay for each account, ships, and modules when you argue about income.
You ignore the fact that boxing is inherently less efficient at PVP or changes in the battlefield than a fleet of players.
You somehow believe that because player X subbed multiple accounts, player Y is not allowed to sub his account, or that player Y somehow cannot play while player X is online.
Whether a player is a boxer or not has no relevant effect on whether or not he'll rage in local, hire mercs, or pack up and move. A player's reaction is not affected by the fact he has one account or multiple. Stop pretending otherwise.
If everyone was limited to one character online at once, you'd see a lot more people protesting and bringing up most if not all of the same reasons that I and others have in this thread.

Players with multiple accounts are not somehow immune from risks when they play. EVE is one of the rare games where your shiny mod won't show up on your ship when you die and respawn.

If you find the game plain, that's your fault and you should change what you're doing instead of trying to blame everyone but yourself. There are hundreds of things to do in this game. If you can't find something that you like, stop blaming others for your failures.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#2650 - 2014-12-16 22:11:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Lucas Kell
Opertone wrote:
It is very hard to fight the capital gathered by bots, you simply can not make as much as they can.

Challenge is something desirable, based on the assumption that everyone has equal approach. Money and assets in game depend on the man hours played multiplied by efficiency. In this scenario you face real people, who have weaknesses and the challenge is hard but enjoyable.

When somebody has access to automation, they create frustration for other players, which forces other players to employ automation. It turns into a battle without variables, without the input of free will vs human limitations. Bots max out everything, the game turns even more predictable than a linear progression.

Finally multiple accounts take away human to human interaction. You think that you busted an entire corporation, ruining the assets of different people, when in fact you only damaged one man's fleet of ice miners. His reaction is not very exciting and his response will be repeatable mining. If that were real people, their response could be far more intriguing - tears, hate mail, war dec, hiring mercs, forum attention that gets more people involved into the conflict.

Finally, if you only had one character in game, your action would be more authentic. Real risk taking, accepting consequences, no effortless spying and much more to corporate theft and eternal fate.

People who control 10 characters at once - make the game extremely plain, deprived of variety human interaction for those who don't.
They aren't bots. It's not automation. And why does it matter even remotely if someone can make more than you? I guarantee that there are several thousand people so far out of your league it's unimaginable, and most of them would have achieved that through trading, not multiboxing. As for combat, multiboxing is generally a hindrance.

And no, having one character doesn't make people interact more or be more "authentic". They still do the exact same thing they would be doing, we just don't get to see videos of 40 miners get smartbomb ganked.

The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.

Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Carmen Electra
AlcoDOTTE
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#2651 - 2014-12-16 22:51:04 UTC
Opertone wrote:
People who control 10 characters at once - make the game extremely plain, deprived of variety human interaction for those who don't.

By "human interaction" is this really what you mean? What?
Opertone wrote:
tears, hate mail, war dec, hiring mercs, forum attention that gets more people involved into the conflict.

Bacon makes us stronger
Battle Cube
Cube Collective
#2652 - 2014-12-17 00:05:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Battle Cube
Opertone wrote:
It is very hard to fight the capital gathered by bots, you simply can not make as much as they can.

Challenge is something desirable, based on the assumption that everyone has equal approach. Money and assets in game depend on the man hours played multiplied by efficiency. In this scenario you face real people, who have weaknesses and the challenge is hard but enjoyable.

When somebody has access to automation, they create frustration for other players, which forces other players to employ automation. It turns into a battle without variables, without the input of free will vs human limitations. Bots max out everything, the game turns even more predictable than a linear progression.

Finally multiple accounts take away human to human interaction. You think that you busted an entire corporation, ruining the assets of different people, when in fact you only damaged one man's fleet of ice miners. His reaction is not very exciting and his response will be repeatable mining. If that were real people, their response could be far more intriguing - tears, hate mail, war dec, hiring mercs, forum attention that gets more people involved into the conflict.

Finally, if you only had one character in game, your action would be more authentic. Real risk taking, accepting consequences, no effortless spying and much more to corporate theft and eternal fate.

People who control 10 characters at once - make the game extremely plain, deprived of variety human interaction for those who don't.


1. we arent talking about bots, we are talking asbout legitimate multiboxing that uses input broadcasting.

2. as a multiboxer, i have had a TON of player interaction, more than if i was a singleboxer. I mean, you do know that player interaction also includes "pleasant" interactions, right?

3. you cry because you cant get enough tears?
Jason Xado
Doomheim
#2653 - 2014-12-17 13:46:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Jason Xado
Well I tried the single account thing for a bit, just to give CCP the benefit of the doubt. Conclusion, this game is boring with a single account. Since this is a feedback thread here is my feedback:

1.) I don't like this change.
2.) I'm leaving.
3.) No you can't have my stuff (it is safely stored away in the unlikely event CCP comes to their senses someday).

P.S. Yes video FX, round robin, blah blah blah blah, I could continue to multibox with other methods, but that is like going to the store and waiting in line, I just go to another store that doesn't make me wait in line for arbitrary reasons.

Well this game was a fun MMO-RTS while it lasted. Anyway so long and thanks for all the fish.

Fly safe o/
Drago Shouna
Doomheim
#2654 - 2014-12-17 17:25:41 UTC
Jason Xado wrote:
Well I tried the single account thing for a bit, just to give CCP the benefit of the doubt. Conclusion, this game is boring with a single account. Since this is a feedback thread here is my feedback:

1.) I don't like this change.
2.) I'm leaving.
3.) No you can't have my stuff (it is safely stored away in the unlikely event CCP comes to their senses someday).

P.S. Yes video FX, round robin, blah blah blah blah, I could continue to multibox with other methods, but that is like going to the store and waiting in line, I just go to another store that doesn't make me wait in line for arbitrary reasons.

Well this game was a fun MMO-RTS while it lasted. Anyway so long and thanks for all the fish.

Fly safe o/


Exactly how many accounts do you have that makes it no longer possible for you to control them manually?

Nobody has said you must only have a single account, I have 3 and have no problem at all controlling them in 3 separate clients...manually, with no outside help.

If thats beyond you...well then cya.

Solecist Project...." They refuse to play by the rules and laws of the game and use it as excuse ..." " They don't care about how you play as long as they get to play how they want."

Welcome to EVE.
Runaway WarpDrive
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#2655 - 2014-12-17 17:57:41 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
Playing with multiple accounts at the same time has a long history within EVE Online, and has always been permitted. There are various ways to do it, and since there’s been a lot of discussion surrounding what is and isn’t allowed, we’d like to clarify a few terms and exactly how the EULA and our Policies must be interpreted and how some things are shifting.

Over the last few weeks we have gone through an internal review process to clarify what exactly the EULA and ToS require in terms of input automation, input multiplexing and input broadcasting. This is the result of that review process and an outline of how we will interpret things going forward.

Firstly we’d like to go over a few terms.

Multiboxing

Multiboxing refers to playing as multiple separate characters, simultaneously, across a number of accounts, either by using multiple computers to run the game, or by using a number of instances of EVE on a single computer.

Uses for multiboxing range from scouts in PvP to gang boosting, support and ECM alts, as well as extra characters for hauling, mining and many other applications. Based on our EULA and Policies we would like to clarify that multiboxing is allowed.

Input Automation

Input Automation refers to actions that are commonly also referred to as botting or macroing. This term is used to describe, but is not limited to, the automation of actions which have consequences in the EVE universe.

Input Broadcasting & Input Multiplexing

Input Broadcasting and Input Multiplexing refer to the multiplication of inputs, actions and events to multiple instances of the game.

Going Forward

As of 15th of March 2013 we have been policing input automation based on a two-strike policy

• 1st strike for input automation is a 30 day ban
• 2nd strike for input automation is a permanent ban

Input Automation remains strictly prohibited, and is policed under our suspension and ban policy.

Based on the discussion in this area and our will to be more clear and concise with the community regarding this part of our rules, we have decided to also apply this two-strike policy to prohibited forms of Input Broadcasting and Input Multiplexing as of January 1st 2015.

We would like to add, however, that we will not be taking action retroactively and will only be policing this policy as of January 1st, 2015.

Input Broadcasting and Input Multiplexing of actions with consequences in the EVE universe, are prohibited and will be policed in the same manner as Input Automation.

This includes, but isn’t limited to:

• Activation and control of ships and modules
• Navigation and movement within the EVE universe
• Movement of assets and items within the EVE universe
• Interaction with other characters

Examples of allowed Input Broadcasting and Input Multiplexing are actions taken that do not have an impact on the EVE universe and are carried out for convenience:

• EVE Online client settings
• Window positions and arrangements (of the EVE Online client in your operating system’s desktop environment)
• The login process

NOTE: Please keep in mind that using the same password for multiple accounts as well as storing your password in a third party tool or script which helps you to automate the login process can increase the risk of account theft and hacking drastically. It is strongly recommended that you do not engage in this type of activity.

We are closely monitoring all game events for suspicious activity suggesting illicit behaviors, including Input Broadcasting and Input Multiplexing.

We would like to clarify that it does not matter how Input Broadcasting and Input Multiplexing are being done, whether through use of software or modified hardware. Our only concern is regarding how it is being used in the EVE universe.

If you are uncertain about your Input Broadcasting and Input Multiplexing use-case, please get in contact with us, as we would prefer to work with members of the community to come to an amicable resolution. We will also follow up this statement with further clarifications if needed, based on questions and concerns from the community.

TL:DR :

Starting from 01.01.2015 the use of Input Broadcasting and Input Multiplexing is limited to activities which do not impact the Eve universe. For more details please refer to the entirety of this announcement.

Runaway WarpDrive
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#2656 - 2014-12-17 18:44:28 UTC
Have been playing EVE online for the past 16 months, started out with one account, and finally, after a long period of unemployment, managed to find a job, and got back on my feet, moved to a house, baught a pc, (which i have to short circuit it's on/off button, every time.) submitted to an internet provider, waited for almost a month, got it last friday javascript:insertsmiley('Big smile','/Images/Emoticons/ccp_smile-big.png') And since i alredy checked, BEFORE i start a second account if player assisting software, such as is box are allowed, and there was no problem, the first thing i asked about, in the npc corp, in which i am in, is what programm to download, to control both of my toons at the same time, and that is when i got thje news.
I don't want to start searching for no new mmo to play. but, i lost two ships trying to do it manualy,alredy, one in the internet cafe i had become such a good castumer, and an other yesterday, because the music playing site i had on, was the next window after one of the toons, and no matter how many times, i tried to alt+tab between the two accounts, it was still getting in the way.

And to the past year i have been playing Eve, i only once show, one fleet of more than 30 procurers in an ice bilt.
I was impressed.
if it would happen frequently, if the universe of eve was so small, stuff like that would get too often in the way, then yes, multyboxing, sould be banned!

but i had a training programm in my head, based on my abilitty to use the command ship i finnaly managed to fly, as a buffer for the other ship, and gradually advance, learning ships from all four races with both of my accounts, taking turns in the command ship, or the fight ship... You know.... a very long term plan.

I can't go on with it in just one ship, and i like playing solo, at least untill i feel ready to get to the next lvl, and join a player corp... Couldn't have done, that one so far.
tryed to use ingame audio communications once, or, twice, didn't work with the internet cafe pc's, and just wouln't bother trying to find a selution to a problem i would have to deal with, every time i log in. I like PvE... Didn't have a pc of my own back then, some times the place would get so full, i was hardly even listening to me.


now what do i do?
Battle Cube
Cube Collective
#2657 - 2014-12-17 18:45:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Battle Cube
Jason Xado wrote:
Well I tried the single account thing for a bit, just to give CCP the benefit of the doubt. Conclusion, this game is boring with a single account. Since this is a feedback thread here is my feedback:

1.) I don't like this change.
2.) I'm leaving.
3.) No you can't have my stuff (it is safely stored away in the unlikely event CCP comes to their senses someday).

P.S. Yes video FX, round robin, blah blah blah blah, I could continue to multibox with other methods, but that is like going to the store and waiting in line, I just go to another store that doesn't make me wait in line for arbitrary reasons.

Well this game was a fun MMO-RTS while it lasted. Anyway so long and thanks for all the fish.

Fly safe o/


while the inconvenience of trying to multibox the way we want to is one thing, its also just kind of a slap in the face to loyal gamers.
Runaway WarpDrive
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#2658 - 2014-12-17 19:05:46 UTC
Runaway WarpDrive wrote:
Have been playing EVE online for the past 16 months, started out with one account, and finally, after a long period of unemployment, managed to find a job, and got back on my feet, moved to a house, baught a pc, (which i have to short circuit it's on/off button, every time.) submitted to an internet provider, waited for almost a month, got it last friday javascript:insertsmiley('Big smile','/Images/Emoticons/ccp_smile-big.png') And since i alredy checked, BEFORE i start a second account if player assisting software, such as is box are allowed, and there was no problem, the first thing i asked about, in the npc corp, in which i am in, is what programm to download, to control both of my toons at the same time, and that is when i got thje news.
I don't want to start searching for no new mmo to play. but, i lost two ships trying to do it manualy,alredy, one in the internet cafe i had become such a good castumer, and an other yesterday, because the music playing site i had on, was the next window after one of the toons, and no matter how many times, i tried to alt+tab between the two accounts, it was still getting in the way.

And to the past year i have been playing Eve, i only once show, one fleet of more than 30 procurers in an ice bilt.
I was impressed.
if it would happen frequently, if the universe of eve was so small, stuff like that would get too often in the way, then yes, multyboxing, sould be banned!

but i had a training programm in my head, based on my abilitty to use the command ship i finnaly managed to fly, as a buffer for the other ship, and gradually advance, learning ships from all four races with both of my accounts, taking turns in the command ship, or the fight ship... You know.... a very long term plan.

I can't go on with it in just one ship, and i like playing solo, at least untill i feel ready to get to the next lvl, and join a player corp... Couldn't have done, that one so far.
tryed to use ingame audio communications once, or, twice, didn't work with the internet cafe pc's, and just wouln't bother trying to find a selution to a problem i would have to deal with, every time i log in. I like PvE... Didn't have a pc of my own back then, some times the place would get so full, i was hardly even listening to me.


now what do i do?
what i am trying to say, is that i do not like the new changes of my game. i payed for this game, i have spent a lot of effort to this game.

But now i feel like a kick boxer, in a figfht i got in to, with the hope, i would get my own p.c. and finally use my full abilities, and now the fight is a boxing game... I'll keep on trying to find my pace for a little whle longer.
Drago Shouna
Doomheim
#2659 - 2014-12-17 20:57:19 UTC
Runaway WarpDrive wrote:
Runaway WarpDrive wrote:
Have been playing EVE online for the past 16 months, started out with one account, and finally, after a long period of unemployment, managed to find a job, and got back on my feet, moved to a house, baught a pc, (which i have to short circuit it's on/off button, every time.) submitted to an internet provider, waited for almost a month, got it last friday javascript:insertsmiley('Big smile','/Images/Emoticons/ccp_smile-big.png') And since i alredy checked, BEFORE i start a second account if player assisting software, such as is box are allowed, and there was no problem, the first thing i asked about, in the npc corp, in which i am in, is what programm to download, to control both of my toons at the same time, and that is when i got thje news.
I don't want to start searching for no new mmo to play. but, i lost two ships trying to do it manualy,alredy, one in the internet cafe i had become such a good castumer, and an other yesterday, because the music playing site i had on, was the next window after one of the toons, and no matter how many times, i tried to alt+tab between the two accounts, it was still getting in the way.

And to the past year i have been playing Eve, i only once show, one fleet of more than 30 procurers in an ice bilt.
I was impressed.
if it would happen frequently, if the universe of eve was so small, stuff like that would get too often in the way, then yes, multyboxing, sould be banned!

but i had a training programm in my head, based on my abilitty to use the command ship i finnaly managed to fly, as a buffer for the other ship, and gradually advance, learning ships from all four races with both of my accounts, taking turns in the command ship, or the fight ship... You know.... a very long term plan.

I can't go on with it in just one ship, and i like playing solo, at least untill i feel ready to get to the next lvl, and join a player corp... Couldn't have done, that one so far.
tryed to use ingame audio communications once, or, twice, didn't work with the internet cafe pc's, and just wouln't bother trying to find a selution to a problem i would have to deal with, every time i log in. I like PvE... Didn't have a pc of my own back then, some times the place would get so full, i was hardly even listening to me.


now what do i do?
what i am trying to say, is that i do not like the new changes of my game. i payed for this game, i have spent a lot of effort to this game.

But now i feel like a kick boxer, in a figfht i got in to, with the hope, i would get my own p.c. and finally use my full abilities, and now the fight is a boxing game... I'll keep on trying to find my pace for a little whle longer.



You can't control 2 clients at once...seriously?

So we now have players coming in and instantly looking for ways to control multiple accounts at the same time?

Before they even tried to learn how to do it manually.....oh god I give in...

CCP, just ban every outside programme that can interact in any way with the client and end this farce. This is a perfect example of why it should happen.

And it will only get worse.


Solecist Project...." They refuse to play by the rules and laws of the game and use it as excuse ..." " They don't care about how you play as long as they get to play how they want."

Welcome to EVE.
Nolak Ataru
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#2660 - 2014-12-17 21:37:09 UTC
Drago Shouna wrote:
CCP, just ban every outside programme that can interact in any way with the client and end this farce. This is a perfect example of why it should happen.


And there goes EVEMon, EFT, EHQ, eve-central, siggy, PYFA, fuzzworks.....

Shall I continue?

Taking one post and immediately attributing it to every boxer out there requires a serious lack of either common sense, or intelligence.