EVE General Discussion

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I love the way you flit from one side of the argument to the other according to your whims.

One minute you're proboxing and accusing us all of QQing over boxers and having an emotional response - the next you want them to change core mechanics (possibly breaking the entire game) in order to have a more feasible fix for boxing...

Make up your mind.

Markets can be entered by any level of player, solo or boxed, they just need X amount of capital and knowledge of how the markets work.

Market trading is probably the only part of Eve where a solo, single account player CAN be more effective than any number of toons, whether boxed or played by individuals, so long as they play cleverly (and can raise enough capital to compete).

At one stage, I trained just one of my alts into trading and basically ended up buying and selling all of the faction ammo going in and out of Amarr for a period of weeks, making hundreds of millions a day - then I realised I was bored shitless playing 0.01 isk games all day and had better things to do with my life. If I'd wanted to scale that up, it would have required twice the amount of attention in maintaining buy and sell orders across two hubs.

EDIT: Thinking about it more, mirth is an emotional response, so perhaps I am, as you say, emotionally invested in this argument

Dear Lucas, I do not mean this to sound as insulting as it may appear, but given how much you post lately, are you a Tippia alt?

So you'd prefer to change 'overly simplistic mechanics' - even though a lot of players like those 'overly simplistic mechanics' and indeed the whole of pvp and pve combat relies upon the mechanics as they currently are...


So, essentially you want to play a different game and make the people that enjoy the current game, play a different game...

right.

Much like how they decided that the industry mechanics they had back in the beginning of time needed changing, how sov mechanics need changing (and are soon to be changed), I think old mechanics which don't promote a player interacting with the game to play should be reviewed, yes. If a mechanic is simple enough to be used semi-afk, or broadcasted on scale (with broadcasting being nothing but a dumb repeater), then it clearly isn't a well designed mechanic. CCP know this, and their new release schedule was specifically designed so they can tackle older more complex problems like these. You're really grasping here to suggest that the game should just stay exactly as it is because someone's day will be ruined if you change their mechanic.

At the end of the day, the game evolves. It's nothing like it was when I joined in 2005. Mechanics which were way too simple back then are now fleshed out (including space itself).

Please, less butthurt, it's painful just reading this, I can only imagine how it is writing it.

First 25 pages contain a crap load of goon PITA. You can't deny that. Then they switched to posting alts without even changing the lines. Then they organized petition spam (extreme form of goon tears), doing it from their mains again. It's all here, documented in this very topic!

Now please educate me on the following topics (but please do so after subduing the pain, I may not bear reading it again):
1) Where in my post did you see a reference to multiboxing in general?
2) Where in my post did you see a reference to ISBoxer in particular.
3) Where in my post did you see a reference to game activities, such as ratting?
4) You are so desperate to prove you're still leet, that you even went to denying the fact that input broadcasting is a substitute for skill. Do you really think so? What are your reasons?

One thing I did learn from your post. It appears that goon tears not just went along with the change, but brought it, and now trying to fight yesterday's tears with today's tears to roll it back. Goonies be goonies, really...

Now that you mention it, perhaps trading needs to be made more involving as well rather than just 30mins a day of adjusting your orders...maybe a tetris mini-game to shuffle your stock around or a mini FPS with a pricing gun...

And yes change is good, hopefully this change will have a positive effect and they follow up on people sidestepping the new intentions of this ruling by expanding their scope to include window switching macros...

And with that we've gone full circle back to where I was several pages ago - sidestepping this ban is a futile effort because CCP's intent has been made pretty clear - dodging their intent on technicalities will just lead to more stringent policies in the future to eliminate the loopholes.

Auf wiedersehen pet.

I NEVER told you to unsub or to stop talking about it the topic. you are the one saying people might unsub and go play other games (which weren't out yet) cause of this change. I was just joining you in that if people really dislike the change than maybe it time to move on to other games where you like the changes that are made to those games.

my exact wording

it if you really disagree with it then unsub and sit around waiting for the other games to come out.

It's kinda funny/weird/annoying?'etc, to see some people think that some Things is so simple when the facts is that it's not omg, i have learned a lot. But i have way more to learn. and simple? no way. lol. But challenging, yep :) I enjoy the Challenge trying to get better... And its not like eve is easy, its so simple doing 1 small mistake that can result in so much loss in game) (trust me, i have lost a lot off ships) and for People saying that it's so easy getting it setup and going etc. probably never have tried. (unless it's me that totally suck at it) lol. (and setting it up in the easiest way might not be hard, but if you would try doing anything like you have seen on youtube without 10's or maybe 100's of hours invested. probably would be unable to do the same. and normally more accounts is better than one, and there is no one denying it. but per character it might be less efficient? well, it would depend. a lot about the circumstances. And investing a lot off time in eve might normally ''pay off'' and think about that if you work for 1 hour. you can pay for an plex with would've taken you 3-6 hours each day with 5 accounts (and used 2 days to have mined enough to buy 1 plex if mining 3-6 hours as i said( 5 accounts ) and that is a lot off time. So, i dont see any reson to ''hate'' big scale miners. they use loads off time i guess. or big scale whatever.
(and even if you would need 2 hours of work be able to pay off an plex) it is still way less time invested than an higesec miner need to do to be able to pay something like that off with isk. (and that's a lot off hours) (and indeed, there are some miners who like mining)



Edit: <3

Stop staring in the mirror, it will really cut your fan club numbers down

cause its still valid.

This change has been like many others lots of tears, lots of attacking and defending the change and lots predictions on the health and state of the game. All without even see how these changes play out.