EVE General Discussion

Considering CODE refer to actively playing players, ones not even multiboxing as being "bot aspirant", and the majority of them are kids looking to grief other players, I'd tend to not take their definition of anything.

Hello everyone;

I just wanted to chip in and tell you guys my opinion about thins whole isboxer manifesto.

I use isboxer myself in eve since 3 years and I find it to be incredibly useful. Yet I don't understand the Tears and Quitting posts, and rage by so many isboxer users.

ME being a isboxer user for years, I have no problem whatsoever with this "change" in policy, for using it. (AND I FULLY SUPPORT CCPs DECISION ON THAT MATTER).

AS CCP HAS STATED; you may still use isboxer and its features ; BUT the only feature that you are not allowed to use is the ONE feature that allows you to broadcast your commands through all your clients at the same time.

I mainly use isboxer because it automatically reduces the framerates on the clients running in the background, and because I can see my overview, ... local, ... d-scan, ... or whatever from other clients in one screen; without having my Computer crashing.

Honestly I have a pretty ancient computer and without the use of isboxer I could not run more than one client. (If I run 2 clients without isboxer), using the alt - tab function my computer needs almost 2 minutes till I can see anything on my screen; and the loading process has not even completed yet, so I cant do anything and have to wait. Is boxer is pretty good to help with this.

BUT on the other hand I really believe that having a single person controlling a bomber-fleet just with a few clicks is totally uneccaptable, and should not be possible ingame.

SO AS I UNDERSTOOD THE STATEMENT BY CCP; it says that only the broadcasting of commands is gonna be prohibited.
You can still use isboxer and be fine just have to control your characters yourself instead of flying 20 at once ships by just clicking a button.

And if I read CCP Falcons post right, you are still allowed to use the broadcast function for the login process of your clients, the correction of your ingame window settings and also the client settings.

So I really don't understand what all the fuzz is about. Seriously; ... if you need to control 20 bombers as a single player to be able to kill an ennemy by yourself; ... honestly that doesnt make you a hero. It makes you a poser whithout reason to be proud of.

AM I RIGHT WITH THIS?

I give whatever team is going to be on the case a bit more credit than that. I'm sure they have detection tools in place and when the changes go into effect they'll be able to sort out false reports or not even be relying on reports at all if they have software in place to detect things on their end. Between the variance in response time a group of people has and their different latencies I find it hard to believe that area between one player multicasting and a group of players that are just really coordinated will be all that grey.

It is refreshing to see them doing anything at all, as I said before I think it stands to improve their product for the long haul as it makes for a much more equitable playfield in the sandbox. Sure they could have thrown their hands in the air and said "well it won't work anyway", but in my opinion they've been doing a lot of nothing about some glaring inequities in the game and I'm encouraged to see them at least making attempts at rectifying some of the more glaring issues.

It may be futile, but I'm betting it won't be. Hell, if it was so futile it wouldn't have produced what amounts to a 100 page temper tantrum.

It will be an uphill battle when this goes into effect as I'm sure tool makers are already trying to workaround whatever detection measures they anticipate CCP having in place (and CCP is of course smart not divulging what exactly what they will look for), but as the people that try to get around this and are caught and banned 10, 20, 30 accounts at a time there will be a shift in the game. They cheaters will either quit, play by the rules, or have their places in New Eden taken by new and returning players that may have been turned off by some of the issues that come with competing with large isboxer fleets.

Yet another page-long, detailed argument. Funny that the detractors of ISBoxer can't write a page about the subject without attempting to compare it to something like StealthMiner, or trying to argue it's "unfair for non-boxers." I'm sorry, but using an argument about fairness in EVE, a game with implants, links, boosters, and EWAR, is silly.
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sisibu

So I take it that you would regard any argument justifying the change due to game balance issues as invalid?

The only commonality to those is that they are a force multiplier that can be balanced by CCP directly. Oh wait... no, that leaves ISBoxer and similar tools out.

No, it's in no way too much a part of EVE. It's actually in no way a part of EVE. Such tools lie entirely outside of the client, which alone isn't an issue, but like any other outside tool CCP can at their discretion decide it's not acceptable to continue using it.

Even if we take the position of popularity meaning it's a part of the game, we would have to accept that botting is also acceptable as a practice that has been enjoying various levels of popularity and has continued over the years. We could use the argument that CCP has banned it, but then we have the issue that the acts described in the op can receive a legitimate ban as well since CCP's discretion is a thing again.

that would do absolutely nothing, though, so how would that even work. a butter knife.

I don't get it.

"That's the joke"

Sorry, felt somewhat obligatory.

Botting =/= ISBoxing. Botting has always been against the EULA and requires no human input. Quite different from boxing.


So if CCP thought ISBoxer was detrimental to EVE's health when it first came out, you think they would have ignored it? Right.


There is no barrier to using ISBoxer, and there are many free alternatives that work just as well.


Again, there is no "Ignore all forms of EWAR and incoming DPS" button on ISBoxer that would provide an unfair advantage over a fleet of the same size and makeup. There is no "Turn my guns into capital blasters with infinite tracking and optimal" button either. Each pilot is affected by the same EWAR and DPS that a regular pilot would be subject to, with the added negative that he will not be able to easily manually pilot to attempt to minimize DPS, or move out of a bubble, or avoid a gank. ISBoxers knowingly place themselves at a disadvantage over a fleet of non-boxers because of their inability to react to these situations and thus we attempt to compensate for that disadvantage.

ISBoxer is external the game, regardless if it's been used in conjunction with EVE for X amount of time. Everything else you listed before were created for the game itself and is completely integrated. That was the point i was making.