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Renegade Heart
Doomheim
#61 - 2014-11-28 19:52:35 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
So what do do you do with your 3 lows? Well one is obv a DC (a form of hull tanking, dual tanking ftw!). And the last 2? Well let's ponder. We have massively more gank than we need to tears through any rats. The only threat to us is gankers. And nothing we put in the last 2 slots will materially boost shields. So what do we do? Throw in some armor resist mods to nicely boost our armor ehp.


Power diagnostic systems in the low slots give a boost to shield EHP. Guess you are not so elite after all!
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#62 - 2014-11-28 19:53:08 UTC
From this day forth dual tanked ships shall be known as Veers-tanked.

Evil RatKid
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#63 - 2014-11-28 20:07:54 UTC
Renegade Heart wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
So what do do you do with your 3 lows? Well one is obv a DC (a form of hull tanking, dual tanking ftw!). And the last 2? Well let's ponder. We have massively more gank than we need to tears through any rats. The only threat to us is gankers. And nothing we put in the last 2 slots will materially boost shields. So what do we do? Throw in some armor resist mods to nicely boost our armor ehp.


Power diagnostic systems in the low slots give a boost to shield EHP. Guess you are not so elite after all!


An adaptive nano is gonna give you way more ehp than a crummy 5% pds bonus.
Super Perforator
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#64 - 2014-11-28 20:13:17 UTC
Veers Belvar is my ALT.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5610165#post5610165

Praise James!
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#65 - 2014-11-28 20:16:15 UTC
Super Perforator wrote:
Veers Belvar is my ALT.


EULA violation much? I am not an alt of any CODE member, thank heavens.
Super Perforator
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#66 - 2014-11-28 20:31:11 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Super Perforator wrote:
Veers Belvar is my ALT.


EULA violation much? I am not an alt of any CODE member, thank heavens.


Only the true messiah denies his divinity...

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5610165#post5610165

Praise James!
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#67 - 2014-11-28 20:34:57 UTC
Super Perforator wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Super Perforator wrote:
Veers Belvar is my ALT.


EULA violation much? I am not an alt of any CODE member, thank heavens.


Only the true messiah denies his divinity...


Falsely claiming to be my alt is a EULA violation. Would you like to explain to the ISD's why you are doing so?
Renegade Heart
Doomheim
#68 - 2014-11-28 21:01:25 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Renegade Heart wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
So what do do you do with your 3 lows? Well one is obv a DC (a form of hull tanking, dual tanking ftw!). And the last 2? Well let's ponder. We have massively more gank than we need to tears through any rats. The only threat to us is gankers. And nothing we put in the last 2 slots will materially boost shields. So what do we do? Throw in some armor resist mods to nicely boost our armor ehp.


Power diagnostic systems in the low slots give a boost to shield EHP. Guess you are not so elite after all!


An adaptive nano is gonna give you way more ehp than a crummy 5% pds bonus.


That is true. However, you stated that "nothing we put in the last 2 slots will materially boost shields" which is factually incorrect.
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#69 - 2014-11-28 21:11:33 UTC
Renegade Heart wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Renegade Heart wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
So what do do you do with your 3 lows? Well one is obv a DC (a form of hull tanking, dual tanking ftw!). And the last 2? Well let's ponder. We have massively more gank than we need to tears through any rats. The only threat to us is gankers. And nothing we put in the last 2 slots will materially boost shields. So what do we do? Throw in some armor resist mods to nicely boost our armor ehp.


Power diagnostic systems in the low slots give a boost to shield EHP. Guess you are not so elite after all!


An adaptive nano is gonna give you way more ehp than a crummy 5% pds bonus.


That is true. However, you stated that "nothing we put in the last 2 slots will materially boost shields" which is factually incorrect.


Notice the word "materially" - a crummy 5% boost to shield EHP won't do much to deter gankers. Significantly cutting your armor resist holes will.
Renegade Heart
Doomheim
#70 - 2014-11-28 21:14:50 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Renegade Heart wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Renegade Heart wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
So what do do you do with your 3 lows? Well one is obv a DC (a form of hull tanking, dual tanking ftw!). And the last 2? Well let's ponder. We have massively more gank than we need to tears through any rats. The only threat to us is gankers. And nothing we put in the last 2 slots will materially boost shields. So what do we do? Throw in some armor resist mods to nicely boost our armor ehp.


Power diagnostic systems in the low slots give a boost to shield EHP. Guess you are not so elite after all!


An adaptive nano is gonna give you way more ehp than a crummy 5% pds bonus.


That is true. However, you stated that "nothing we put in the last 2 slots will materially boost shields" which is factually incorrect.


Notice the word "materially" - a crummy 5% boost to shield EHP won't do much to deter gankers. Significantly cutting your armor resist holes will.


There are other flaws in your argument. The addition of EHP obtained from the armor resist modules would increase the cost of the gank by a few nados at most. That extra cost would not deter a ganksquad from liberating the purple modules from your carebear ship.
Super Perforator
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#71 - 2014-11-28 23:00:45 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Super Perforator wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Super Perforator wrote:
Veers Belvar is my ALT.


EULA violation much? I am not an alt of any CODE member, thank heavens.


Only the true messiah denies his divinity...


Falsely claiming to be my alt is a EULA violation. Would you like to explain to the ISD's why you are doing so?


Well... if the ISDs were to ask... then I would simply respond that I was claiming that you were MY alt....

of course your EGO wouldn't ever stand for that....

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5610165#post5610165

Praise James!
Ironhand One-Eye
Great Amalgamation of Naughty Killers
#72 - 2014-11-29 00:01:59 UTC
Gaming God wrote:
Ok tere is high sec and null sec in highsec there is concord to protect you and we have wardecs to be able to kill in high sec so far so good :)

Sounds like a fair system ?

But then there are bling bling mods in highsec the are being sold by the gankers to the rich carebears that are protected by concord.

After the sel of the bling bling mod the go to an locater agent and the wil find the carebear and kill him bevore concord can do anyting ad al .


AHHH there we go concord is a joke ?
It is easyer to kil some one in highsec then it is in nulsec ?
There is no high sec ?

OK why do the not remove concord because we want gankers to be abel to gank ? And we can see the can gank everyting the want because concord is a JOKE

So remove concord ?

if we do that we can stop the big lie that high sec is safe and that concord wil protect you and ganking wil be legal .

Ganking needs to be legal ? YES . Then why do we have CONCORD ? and HIGHSEC ?

DAM i am so confused :(

As per our Code of Coduct, section two:

Quote:
"Officer modules are considered contraband. Any pilot found to be in possession of officer modules will be met with the full force of the law."


We respectfully ask that you refrain from fitting officer modules from your sub capital vessel. This is your first and final warning. If the issue continues, we will respond accordingly.

For our full Code of Conduct, please refer to here.


Great Amalgamation of Naughty Killers.

Our goals are simple:

- To spread awareness of the importance of tanking vessels (correctly tanking) to promote a safer, more enjoyable High Security space for all to enjoy.
- To ensure the safe moving of high value goods through High Security space.
- To teach each pilot, through trial and error, the importance of awareness whilst in High Security space.

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ForTheEmpire2014
Doomheim
#73 - 2014-11-29 02:45:08 UTC  |  Edited by: ForTheEmpire2014
Renegade Heart wrote:


There are other flaws in your argument. The addition of EHP obtained from the armor resist modules would increase the cost of the gank by a few nados at most. That extra cost would not deter a ganksquad from liberating the purple modules from your carebear ship.


Oh why stop there? Add some structure rigs too, for that Triple-Tanked Bravadonator!
And don't forget to bring a logi fleet with a rainbow-repping setup.
Really makes those purply mods shine like its
Saturday Night!
Tyyler DURden
Mordechai and Sons Distribution Co.
#74 - 2014-11-29 02:50:20 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Super Perforator wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Super Perforator wrote:
Veers Belvar is my ALT.


EULA violation much? I am not an alt of any CODE member, thank heavens.


Only the true messiah denies his divinity...


Falsely claiming to be my alt is a EULA violation. Would you like to explain to the ISD's why you are doing so?

Would YOU like to explain to the ISD's why you've felt the need to come into the forums and sh*t up every thread for the past month or so?

Tyyler DURden says "use soap"
Jurico Elemenohpe
Flipsid3 Tactics
#75 - 2014-11-29 09:50:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Jurico Elemenohpe
Well.. His argument is actually kind of sound. It does increase your ehp more than shield mods.
But it is wrong. There is a better method.
This is a fit following his decription (no purp TC)
[Machariel, Veers]
Tobias' Modified Gyrostabilizer
Tobias' Modified Gyrostabilizer
Tobias' Modified Gyrostabilizer
Tobias' Modified Gyrostabilizer
Corpum A-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Corpum A-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Damage Control II

Pithum A-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Pithum A-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Pith X-Type Large Shield Booster
Gist X-Type 100MN Afterburner
Federation Navy Tracking Computer, Tracking Speed Script

800mm Repeating Cannon II, EMP L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, EMP L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, EMP L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, EMP L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, EMP L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, EMP L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, EMP L
[empty high slot]

Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I

So this has 129k. Pretty good.
But what happens if you swap the 2 spare lows and the rigs?

[Machariel, Mine]
Tobias' Modified Gyrostabilizer
Tobias' Modified Gyrostabilizer
Tobias' Modified Gyrostabilizer
Tobias' Modified Gyrostabilizer
Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Damage Control II

Pithum A-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Pithum A-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Pith X-Type Large Shield Booster
Gist X-Type 100MN Afterburner
Federation Navy Tracking Computer, Tracking Speed Script

800mm Repeating Cannon II, EMP L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, EMP L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, EMP L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, EMP L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, EMP L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, EMP L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, EMP L
[empty high slot]

Large Core Defense Field Extender II
Large Core Defense Field Extender II
Large Core Defense Field Extender II

What is this? 146k ehp.
1s extra cap life. And the only drawback? It reps 57 less (and a bit higher price but it's over 30bn anyway who care about an extra couple hundred mill). But let's do some math. Over 21s, your fit will rep 13k. So 129+13 = 142k.
Now my fit. It reps 12k over 21s. So 146+12=158.
What is this? It's.. Better than Veers? Huh! What a big surprise.
ForTheEmpire2014
Doomheim
#76 - 2014-11-29 21:31:29 UTC  |  Edited by: ForTheEmpire2014
Jurico Elemenohpe wrote:

There is a better method.


That there is, my mathematically-marvellous friend!

Why show up in your drab outfit, when you can dazzle them all and be the life of the party?
Nobody will EVER forget you flew this shipBig smile

[Machariel, ♥♪Disco-Fever♫♥]

1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Estamel's Modified Co-Processor
Estamel's Modified Co-Processor
Reinforced Bulkheads II
Reinforced Bulkheads II
Reinforced Bulkheads II
Damage Control II

Caldari Navy Large Shield Extender
Caldari Navy Large Shield Extender
Target Spectrum Breaker
Heavy 'Brave' Capacitor Booster, Navy Cap Booster 800
Heavy 'Brave' Capacitor Booster, Navy Cap Booster 800

Cormack's Modified Large Plasma Smartbomb
Cormack's Modified Large Plasma Smartbomb
Tobias' Modified Large Proton Smartbomb
Tobias' Modified Large Proton Smartbomb
Estamel's Modified Large Graviton Smartbomb
Estamel's Modified Large Graviton Smartbomb
Draclira's Modified Large EMP Smartbomb
Draclira's Modified Large EMP Smartbomb

Large Transverse Bulkhead II
Large Transverse Bulkhead II
Large Transverse Bulkhead II

Cap-boosters last long enough to strut your stuff for the whole song!
McChicken Combo HalfMayo
The Happy Meal
#77 - 2014-11-29 22:06:15 UTC  |  Edited by: McChicken Combo HalfMayo
Veers Belvar wrote:
And nothing we put in the last 2 slots will materially boost shields. So what do we do?

We fit tracking enhancers, giving us a 37.5% falloff boost, 18.8% optimal range boost, 18.8% tracking boost
We fit nanofibers, giving us an 18.5% speed boost
We fit DDA's, giving us an 8.5% DPS boost

And yes I'm aware falloff/optimal or tracking boosts will be penalized depending on which script is used in the tracking computer. Still worth it.

There are all our dominion

Gate camps: "Its like the lowsec watercooler, just with explosions and boose" - Ralph King-Griffin
CODE Agent AC
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#78 - 2014-11-30 00:43:32 UTC
Everything and nothing.
Still there is Veers.

The Artist Formerly Known As AC. 

The terminal end of the digestive system. 

The Best CSM Candidate
Tora Bushido
The Marmite Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#79 - 2014-11-30 00:51:25 UTC
Someone shoot me, I gave Veers a LIKE Oops

DELETE THE WEAK, ADAPT OR DIE !

Meta Gaming Level VII, Psycho Warfare Level X, Smack Talk Level VII.
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#80 - 2014-11-30 00:59:20 UTC
Tora Bushido wrote:
Someone shoot me, I gave Veers a LIKE Oops


You would need to undock for that. Zing!