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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#41 - 2014-11-26 18:09:33 UTC
Renegade Heart wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Ned Thomas wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
100% right, as per usual.


The answer to "begging to be ganked" is to fit more overly expensive mods? Next you'll be telling newish players that they should spend real money in order to buy a faction battleship to run incursions with regardless of their skills.


If you are going to fly a blinged battleship to run L4s, some of that bling needs to be on tank. With some Pith Cs and a good shield buffer, you make it painful and expensive to gank you, and send the gankers scurrying elsewhere.

Highsec isn't nullsec....you just need to survive long enough for your CONCORD allies to show up.


Some of the smarter gankers will scan your ship prior to the gank, and account for the EHP. And fitting more expensive modules on the ship will just make it more likely that you will get ganked.


#clueless
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#42 - 2014-11-26 18:54:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Ima Wreckyou
This is how the game works. EVE is not WOW and leveling your ship with equipment is a dangerous thing to do. Pretty much every other MMO has this gear grinding crap, we don't need another one.

EDIT:
OMG THAT GOLEM!!
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#43 - 2014-11-26 21:01:14 UTC
At this juncture I usually like to quote from the book of CCP, chapter Falcon, verse 'Ganking'...

CCP Falcon wrote:

"Okay, so what follows is entirely my personal opinion.

It's not a case of not "catering to the tearfilled entitled", it's a case of us staying true to the core of what EVE was built on.

Some of the people complaining in this thread have valid points about the fact that they don't feel safe. Simple fact of the matter is, that you're not suppose to feel safe in New Eden.

Eve is not a game for the faint hearted. It's a game that will chew you up and spit you out in the blink of an eye if you even think about letting your guard down or becoming complacent.

While every other MMO starts off with an intro that tells you you're going to be the savior of the realm, holds your hand, protects you, nurtures your development and ultimately guides you to your destiny as a hero along with several other million players who've had the exact same experience, EVE assaults you from the second you begin to play after you create a character, spitting you out into a universe that under the surface, is so complex that it's enough to make your head explode.

The entire design is based around being harsh, vicious, relentless, hostile and cold. It's about action and reaction, and the story that unfolds as you experience these two things.

True, we're working hard to lower the bar of entry so that more players can enjoy EVE and can get into the game. Our NPE (New Player Experience) is challenging, and we're trying to improve it to better prepare rookies for what lies out there, but when you start to play eve, you'll always start out as the little fish in the big pond.

The only way to grow is to voraciously consume what's around you, and its your choice whether that happens to be New Eden's abundant natural resources, or the other people who're also fighting their way to the top.

EVE is a playing experience like no other, where every action or reaction resonates through a single universe and is felt by players from all corners of the word. There are no shards here, no mirror universes, no instances and very few rules. If you stumble across something valuable, then chances are someone else already knows where you are, or is working their way toward you and you better be prepared to fight for what you've discovered.

EVE will test you from the outset, from the very second you undock and glimpse the stars, and will take pleasure from sorting those who can survive from those who'd rather curl up and perish.

EVE will let you fight until you collapse, then let you struggle to your feet, exhausted from the effort. Then when you can see the light at the end of the tunnel it'll kick you flat on your ass in the mud again and ask you why you deserve to be standing. It'll test you against every other individual playing at some point or another, and it'll ask for answers.

Give it an answer and maybe it'll let you up again, long enough to gather your thoughts. After a few more steps you're on the ground again and it's asking more questions.

EVE is designed to be harsh, it's designed to be challenging, and it's designed to be so deep and complex that it should fascinate and terrify you at the same time.

Corporation, Alliances and coalitions of tens of thousands have risen and fallen on these basic principles, and every one of those thousands of people has their own unique story to tell about how it affected them and what they experienced.

That's the beauty of EVE. Action and reaction. Emergence.

Welcome to the most frightening virtual playground you'll ever experience."

tldr;
Ganking is working just fine thank you. HTFU you pansies

F
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#44 - 2014-11-26 22:11:32 UTC
Nerf highsec.

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Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#45 - 2014-11-26 22:32:18 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Agondray wrote:
You can't post on the forums with out getting ganked.

I post all the time and have never been ganked.



That may be true, but you are paranoid, loyd.


OP....after looking at your killboard...the problem ain't the gankers...the problem is you.

Learn to fit your ******* ships. I mean, do you have any understanding of the concept of buffer tanking? Get your EHP up to a nice high level, and make the gankers bring a whole lot of people or some real expensive ships to kill you.

FFS - ALWAYS have a damage control fitted. One pith C invul ain't enough, stick at least 2 of em on. And maybe stick the adaptive armor membrane in a lowslot. Come on man....your ships are a painful fail-fit...you are BEGGING TO GET GANKED. Learn to fit at least with a modicum of tank, even if it means L4s will take you another 2 minutes.



Not sure if serious. If so LOL at the idea to dual tank your being ship to make it better.
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#46 - 2014-11-26 23:00:48 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Agondray wrote:
You can't post on the forums with out getting ganked.

I post all the time and have never been ganked.



That may be true, but you are paranoid, loyd.


OP....after looking at your killboard...the problem ain't the gankers...the problem is you.

Learn to fit your ******* ships. I mean, do you have any understanding of the concept of buffer tanking? Get your EHP up to a nice high level, and make the gankers bring a whole lot of people or some real expensive ships to kill you.

FFS - ALWAYS have a damage control fitted. One pith C invul ain't enough, stick at least 2 of em on. And maybe stick the adaptive armor membrane in a lowslot. Come on man....your ships are a painful fail-fit...you are BEGGING TO GET GANKED. Learn to fit at least with a modicum of tank, even if it means L4s will take you another 2 minutes.



Not sure if serious. If so LOL at the idea to dual tank your being ship to make it better.


If you have that much bling on it dual tanking is ok...the main threat is gankers, not the joke mission rats.
Hippinse
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2014-11-27 02:35:43 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
If you have that much bling on it dual tanking is ok...the main threat is gankers, not the joke mission rats.


That's still doing it wrong. Obligatory: http://xkcd.com/463/
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
#48 - 2014-11-27 02:54:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Mara Pahrdi
Gaming God wrote:
So if there is no protection or false protection in High Sec ?

No matter where you are, in EVE you have to protect yourself.

Gaming God wrote:
What is then the difference between hi and nullsec for the victem ?

In nullsec you have a better chance of knowing who's going to shoot at you. In Highsec you have to pay a fee to Concord for this knowledge.

Remove standings and insurance.

Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#49 - 2014-11-27 02:59:14 UTC
Hippinse wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
If you have that much bling on it dual tanking is ok...the main threat is gankers, not the joke mission rats.


That's still doing it wrong. Obligatory: http://xkcd.com/463/


#clueless
Hippinse
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#50 - 2014-11-27 04:42:18 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Hippinse wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
If you have that much bling on it dual tanking is ok...the main threat is gankers, not the joke mission rats.


That's still doing it wrong. Obligatory: http://xkcd.com/463/


#clueless


#dunning-kruger
Bianca Silver
Division 13
#51 - 2014-11-27 04:51:31 UTC
Hippinse wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Hippinse wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
If you have that much bling on it dual tanking is ok...the main threat is gankers, not the joke mission rats.


That's still doing it wrong. Obligatory: http://xkcd.com/463/


#clueless


#dunning-kruger

#kobe2012 ?
Tear Jar
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#52 - 2014-11-27 18:12:14 UTC
Gaming God wrote:
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
Gaming God wrote:
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
Concord does not protect you. Concord has never protected you. Concord will never protect you.
They punish the baddies after the fact.
The only things protecting you are yourself and the fear others have of being punished for doing the bad thing.


Yes concord and highsec are an joke you are right :)


Actually, I was being completely serious.
Concord exists to punish, not protect.
The only thing mildly funny would be actually believing that they are supposed to protect you.
There is no joke. We all bear the consequences of our own actions and failures to act.


So if there is no protection or false protection in High Sec ? What is then the difference between hi and nullsec for the victem ?


High sec limits the engagements gankers can take and punishes the gankers after the fact.

Gankers can't efficiently gank with a wide variety of ships and are limited to high dps low survivability.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2014-11-27 21:51:37 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:


If you have that much bling on it dual tanking is ok...the main threat is gankers, not the joke mission rats.


Um no. Dual tanking is always a crappy idea and it wont save you from a gank. All it will do is largely nullify all the isk you wasted pimping out the other modules in the first place.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#54 - 2014-11-27 22:11:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Um no. Dual tanking is always a crappy idea and it wont save you from a gank. All it will do is largely nullify all the isk you wasted pimping out the other modules in the first place.
Dual tanking is elite PvE, didn't you know?

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#55 - 2014-11-27 22:32:12 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Um no. Dual tanking is always a crappy idea and it wont save you from a gank. All it will do is largely nullify all the isk you wasted pimping out the other modules in the first place.
Dual tanking is elite PvE, didn't you know?


I don't elite PVE so I guess I don't
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#56 - 2014-11-27 22:44:35 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Um no. Dual tanking is always a crappy idea and it wont save you from a gank. All it will do is largely nullify all the isk you wasted pimping out the other modules in the first place.
Dual tanking is elite PvE, didn't you know?


I don't elite PVE so I guess I don't
Welcome to the world according to veers Ugh

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#57 - 2014-11-28 00:03:04 UTC
what is this dual tank advice i can't even

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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#58 - 2014-11-28 04:50:05 UTC
For those who don't get why you dual tank officer mod fitted ships in highsec.

#CompleteLackOfSituationalAwareness

But please do keep parroting the no dual tank screed, while the purple fitted ships keep xploding.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#59 - 2014-11-28 19:06:32 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
For those who don't get why you dual tank officer mod fitted ships in highsec.

#CompleteLackOfSituationalAwareness

But please do keep parroting the no dual tank screed, while the purple fitted ships keep xploding.


Please, please come clean. You have to be trolling with this.
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#60 - 2014-11-28 19:19:11 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
For those who don't get why you dual tank officer mod fitted ships in highsec.

#CompleteLackOfSituationalAwareness

But please do keep parroting the no dual tank screed, while the purple fitted ships keep xploding.


Please, please come clean. You have to be trolling with this.


Ok, Sherlock....time to give you some clues.

Assume you have a Machariel....you decide to regal it in purple. So in addition to your two A type adaptive and X type shield booster, as well as X type AB, you have 1 open spot. You throw in a purple tracking computer, and now your mids are full. In your lows, you decide to be baller and throw in 4 purple gyros, leaving you with spots. Your rigs are all cap boost rigs.

So what do do you do with your 3 lows? Well one is obv a DC (a form of hull tanking, dual tanking ftw!). And the last 2? Well let's ponder. We have massively more gank than we need to tears through any rats. The only threat to us is gankers. And nothing we put in the last 2 slots will materially boost shields. So what do we do? Throw in some armor resist mods to nicely boost our armor ehp.

We have now made it significantly harder for gankers to kill us, they will need more people and bigger ships, which makes ganking a lot less likely.

And that, folks, is why you ALWAYS dual tank officer fit mission ships in highsec.