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Famine Aligher'ri
Sheriff.
Caldari Tactical Operations Command
#1 - 2014-11-25 03:38:00 UTC
I just got back in the game from a sleep.

Where are all the pirates? Chime in already. Crime & Punishment is once again turning into a merc haven.

Famine Aligher'ri - Original Solo Pirate

Former The Pirate Syndicate Member

Former D.e.V.i.a.n.c.e member

Former Burn Eden member

Former BioMass Cartel member
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#2 - 2014-11-25 04:39:58 UTC
It's not just mercs, there's also the odd 'OH MY GOD!!! XYZ IS A CORP THIEF!!! HERE IS NO PROOF AT ALL!!!' and similar posts.

Piracy needs love in EVE.

I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#3 - 2014-11-25 04:51:15 UTC
They decided to go mine ice AFK. Welcome to the new meta.
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#4 - 2014-11-25 04:53:59 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
They decided to go mine ice AFK. Welcome to the new meta.


You should go and gank these ex-pirate miners. Don't worry, even if they have a mining permit, mining AFK is against our rules, so we'd welcome your actions.

I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#5 - 2014-11-25 04:57:24 UTC
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
They decided to go mine ice AFK. Welcome to the new meta.


You should go and gank these ex-pirate miners. Don't worry, even if they have a mining permit, mining AFK is against our rules, so we'd welcome your actions.


You must have mistaken me for someone else. I'm a heroic force for Good in Eve, and have never once engaged in suicide ganking. I do support efforts to make mining an activity that can only be done at keyboard, as all isk making endeavors should be.
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#6 - 2014-11-25 05:03:02 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:

You must have mistaken me for someone else. I'm a heroic force for Good in Eve, and have never once engaged in suicide ganking. I do support efforts to make mining an activity that can only be done at keyboard, as all isk making endeavors should be.


Piracy is evil and according to this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdSFe0UgB3E leads to genocide. So you should feel completely justified in being naughty for the greater good.

It is, after all, what a heroic force for Good would do.

I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com
Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#7 - 2014-11-25 05:03:44 UTC
Famine Aligher'ri wrote:
I just got back in the game from a sleep.

Where are all the pirates? Chime in already. Crime & Punishment is once again turning into a merc haven.


Good sir, the answer to your question is a sad story. I am not sure how long you have been gone, but in my short time in game (total active time about two years) we have seen a Nerf train. Many pirates, including some c&p personalities, have left or become very inactive.

Where are the pirates?

Ask the nerfmongers.

Thunderdome ringmaster, Community Leader and Lord Inquisitor to the Court of Crime and Punishment
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#8 - 2014-11-25 05:09:01 UTC
Leto Thule wrote:
Famine Aligher'ri wrote:
I just got back in the game from a sleep.

Where are all the pirates? Chime in already. Crime & Punishment is once again turning into a merc haven.


Good sir, the answer to your question is a sad story. I am not sure how long you have been gone, but in my short time in game (total active time about two years) we have seen a Nerf train. Many pirates, including some c&p personalities, have left or become very inactive.

Where are the pirates?

Ask the nerfmongers.


Expanding upon this. Two things have happened.

- The proliferation of killboards and their use as a metric of pilot performance. This means people are less likely to honor ransoms, as a billion ISK killmail is seen as valuable. This means people seldom pay ransoms.

- Secondly, the proliferation of jump freighters. It's very hard to catch one for a ransom compared to a traditional freighter.

This has led to lowsec piracy disappearing and the people that would have been interested in a career as a lowsec pirate migrating to highsec where there is more prey.

I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com
Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#9 - 2014-11-25 05:11:20 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
They decided to go mine ice AFK. Welcome to the new meta.


You should go and gank these ex-pirate miners. Don't worry, even if they have a mining permit, mining AFK is against our rules, so we'd welcome your actions.


You must have mistaken me for someone else. I'm a heroic force for Good in Eve, and have never once engaged in suicide ganking. I do support efforts to make mining an activity that can only be done at keyboard, as all isk making endeavors should be.


Veers, not all pirates are gankers. At the risk of pulling out a soap box for you to hock your wares, I'll chime in.

A pirate is someone who steals, hijacks, ect.

While ganking is definitely a form of piracy, not all gankers are pirates, and certainty not all pirates gank. AWOX, corp theft, and the good old fashioned gatecamp are all ways to make a bit of isk as a pirate. I know you have this notion in your head that all criminals are greifers, but that's very untrue. Its a game that encourages people to utilize whatever means they can to make a profit. Do some do it purely for tears? You bet. They are your griefers, an no, nothing is wrong with that either.

If you really want to do what's "good" for the game, stop trying to undo the cornerstones that have made it successful for over a decade.

Thunderdome ringmaster, Community Leader and Lord Inquisitor to the Court of Crime and Punishment
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#10 - 2014-11-25 15:45:14 UTC
Leto Thule wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
They decided to go mine ice AFK. Welcome to the new meta.


You should go and gank these ex-pirate miners. Don't worry, even if they have a mining permit, mining AFK is against our rules, so we'd welcome your actions.


You must have mistaken me for someone else. I'm a heroic force for Good in Eve, and have never once engaged in suicide ganking. I do support efforts to make mining an activity that can only be done at keyboard, as all isk making endeavors should be.


Veers, not all pirates are gankers. At the risk of pulling out a soap box for you to hock your wares, I'll chime in.

A pirate is someone who steals, hijacks, ect.

While ganking is definitely a form of piracy, not all gankers are pirates, and certainty not all pirates gank. AWOX, corp theft, and the good old fashioned gatecamp are all ways to make a bit of isk as a pirate. I know you have this notion in your head that all criminals are greifers, but that's very untrue. Its a game that encourages people to utilize whatever means they can to make a profit. Do some do it purely for tears? You bet. They are your griefers, an no, nothing is wrong with that either.

If you really want to do what's "good" for the game, stop trying to undo the cornerstones that have made it successful for over a decade.


Look, I'm a big fan of the lowsec pirates who honor ransoms...I think it adds a very cool element to lowsec. The problem is that the folks who lie, take the ransom, and then blow the ship up anyways ruin it for everyone. Since the victim can't rely on ransoms, he won't pay, and everyone comes out behind.

I'd love to see some kind of "pirate code of conduct" so that the next time a freighter, orca, or blingy battleship gets caught, they can pay the ransom and know that their ship will be spared. Given the current folks playing the game, I'm not very confident.
Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#11 - 2014-11-25 15:58:19 UTC
This is, unfortunately, subjective to the personal, corporate, or alliance mores of the individuals involved. For example, were I to attempt to ransom you Veers, I would be bound by the principles of my corporation to honor such a ransom.
Now, on the other hand, I'm also not compelled to OFFER a ransom unless the circumstances merit such a thing in my opinion.
I have actually ransomed a few ships and at least one damsel in the past... and in that particular case both I and the ransomee had quite a good time with the exchange.
Piracy is not 100% dead, it's just getting harder as the nerfs keep rolling in.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Eldwinn
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#12 - 2014-11-25 18:24:11 UTC
Famine Aligher'ri wrote:


Where are all the pirates?.


CODE happened. C&P is just filled with tears and CODE crap. Here and there MERC stuff.
Koz Katral
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#13 - 2014-11-25 18:26:03 UTC
The pirates are on fail heap where they can express their true feelings for each other without any constraint on their autism.
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#14 - 2014-11-25 18:27:41 UTC
Koz Katral wrote:
The pirates are on fail heap where they can express their true feelings for each other without any constraint on their autism.

Playing Elite:Dangerous? I know its beta, but hardly fail-heap...

F

Would you like to know more?
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#15 - 2014-11-25 18:37:24 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
...The problem is that the folks who lie, take the ransom, and then blow the ship up anyways ruin it for everyone...

..ostensibly its only ruined for people who allow themselves to be tackled.

Quote:

I'd love to see some kind of "pirate code of conduct" so that the next time a freighter, orca, or blingy battleship gets caught, they can pay the ransom and know that their ship will be spared. Given the current folks playing the game, I'm not very confident.

Im not sure by what frame of reference anyone should give a crap about what you think Veers...But hey, its a new world evidently, where a community organizer with no real experience or track record can become president and destroy a country, so why not let a carebear nobody decree how best to destroy a virtual world...

F

Would you like to know more?
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#16 - 2014-11-25 19:26:58 UTC
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
...The problem is that the folks who lie, take the ransom, and then blow the ship up anyways ruin it for everyone...

..ostensibly its only ruined for people who allow themselves to be tackled.

Quote:

I'd love to see some kind of "pirate code of conduct" so that the next time a freighter, orca, or blingy battleship gets caught, they can pay the ransom and know that their ship will be spared. Given the current folks playing the game, I'm not very confident.

Im not sure by what frame of reference anyone should give a crap about what you think Veers...But hey, its a new world evidently, where a community organizer with no real experience or track record can become president and destroy a country, so why not let a carebear nobody decree how best to destroy a virtual world...

F



Cute:)

Actually it's ruined for the pirates who want to make an honest living, because people won't pay ransoms anymore. Result - pirates taking up other professions such as ratting and ice mining.

I mean hey, you could either propose solutions like I do, or instead sit and lament a bygone area with no hope of restoration. It's your move, F.
Ssabat Thraxx
DUST Expeditionary Team
Good Sax
#17 - 2014-11-25 21:16:03 UTC
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:

Im not sure by what frame of reference anyone should give a crap about what you think Veers...But hey, its a new world evidently, where a community organizer with no real experience or track record can become president and destroy a country, so why not let a carebear nobody decree how best to destroy a virtual world...

F




QFT on all counts.

\m/ O.o \m/

"You're a freak ..." - Solecist Project
Paranoid Loyd
#18 - 2014-11-25 21:26:46 UTC
Yarr! Pirate

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!
Mike Adoulin
Happys Happy Hamster Hunting Club
#19 - 2014-11-25 21:57:47 UTC
We're still here.

It's just getting almost impossibly hard to actually be a pirate anymore.

*gazes longingly at Elite Dangerous*

They have a pirate package , you know......

Oh, and the Beta is officially over. It releases next month. Costs $50 USD.

*starts pricing joysticks*

Everything in EVE is a trap.

And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)

You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.

Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#20 - 2014-11-25 22:37:35 UTC
Mike Adoulin wrote:
We're still here.

It's just getting almost impossibly hard to actually be a pirate anymore.

*gazes longingly at Elite Dangerous*

They have a pirate package , you know......

Oh, and the Beta is officially over. It releases next month. Costs $50 USD.

*starts pricing joysticks*



Hmmm....not really so many substantial nerfs to lowsec piracy. ED looks kinda lame so far...
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