Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Ugh i had to log in just so i can say i hate this idea so much.... do you realize how many new pplare bad and lose pods in low sec?

The reason people dont really use implants in null is because pod loss has a habit of being absolutely assured and has NO skill involved in stopping it. Unless the entirely enemy fleet has a collective power cut and you can slowboat out the bubble.



Also you missed the point - the cost of not rolling in high grade implants is a FAR slower skill rate. There is a reason every single null player has a "learning" clone somewhere for extended away period. They can't ever fly it in the system the call home though, not really.

Indeed, but supers are ... different, somewhat obviously. The other people you'll notice aren't in line combat ships.

Most guys I know run with +2/+3 in their two highest attribute slots and that's it, hardwires only come out for the fights that really matter. It is a fair old sacrifice.

Thing is, even if I was wrong and 99% of people DO use implants in null/WH then.....then pod loss still hurts. And if they mainly DONT use implants (going by the pods I see dying that covers the majority) they are suffering every single second they sit in an (nearly) empty pod - diminished skill progression.

Point is, people are risk averse in even a T1 frigate that costs under 10m....add potential guaranteed skill point loss and it'll be station trading online.

I dont think it should be, hell I'm in the "nerf hisec" crowd. I think that PVP should be more meaningful than just respawning somewhere and running back to the fight, ala Counterstrike or Halo or whateverdafuq it is the twitch kids play these days.



So you say the T3 SP loss is ok because "you know what you risk," yet you don't apply the same logic to the fact that you choose to fly a dictor? See how that works?



I take great offense to that. I most certainly do not. I want it to be "more meaningful" as CCP says. I want it to be hardcore. I want it to hurt when I kill you, just as it hurts when you kill me.

Maybe I am too bought into the idea that eve is a harsh unforgiving universe, but a couple days skill penalty seems like a reasonable punishment to me. I always liked the dark unforgiving nature of eve though, and what swings it for me and would make me feel happy to take this hit on my pod losses, is the fact that I would also be inflicting it on my opponents.

Also I notice that a couple of the comments are worried that under the numbers I gave it would be possible to get a weeks worth of SP lost; actually in the majority of cases it will be around 2 days SP loss.

One thing I think a couple of people are missing also is the fact that I pointed out this should also go along with the pod being bubble immune, and with more ehp so it can survive a smart bomb. That would cut down on a great many pod deaths, but when you do get one then you know it is going to hurt.

Also If a pod is autopiloting through high sec then it deserves to be alpha'd by a thrasher though, so I have no sympathy in that scenario.

A T3 cruiser is not vital for participating in PvP and you can keep the ammount of SP you lose pretty low. An Interdictor - or Heavy Interdictor - is vital in the task of taking down fleets and supercapitals. In the EVE you want to see I would need to train an alt specificly for dropping bubbles.



With the same logic I now want that you lose all skillpoints if you die. That's even more hardcore.

I'm wondering where the numbers for "most people in null sec fly pods without implants" comes from I'd love to see the data to back this up because lets face it;
1) All cap pilots fly with implants
2) nano pilots use snakes (all of them without fail)
3) T3 pilots have implants because they are generally interdiction nullified so can escape most things
4) why wouldn't you use implants when everyone for 50 jumps is blue
5) not using implants makes you less efficent at everything

so other than all those things and all those people who do use implants where do the numbers come from that "people in null sec fly without implants"

The OP idea is utterly stupid. Most of the reasons have already been stated so I'm just voicing my "absolutely f**king no!" vote.

I assume we totally remove learning implants in this scenario?

Cause there's already an "upgraded pod". It's one with implants in it.

It already "Increases training speed until you get podded" Because implants.

No to anything that actively supports a player always staying safe in highsec up and beyond the learning implants. And tbh, I'm not terribly happy about the pure learning implants.

Do you not already have far more than 5% more than people running around null in a bare pod while you squat in highsec with 4's or 5's in your head?

Let us consider the train of thought that led to this idea:

1. Currently people have to pay a Clone Upgrade cost after losing their pod. This cost gets higher as their total SP increases.
2. If you fail to pay that cost and get podded you lose SP.
3. CCP have identified that losing SP is a hated effect, done in error, usually by newer players and a backward step that reduces player retention.
4. CCP have identified that increased clone upgrade costs for higher level SP chars, leads to those chars choosing not to PvP at all or avoid smaller cheaper ships which are more likely to be involved in PvP situations.
5. After weighing the evidence CCP have concluded that removing the clone upgrade mechanic will have positive benefits in terms of both player retention and increased PvP opportunities.

For hardcore game reasons the OP has concluded that an even more severe system is needed. Which requires a higher payment to get only a partial level of protection, while guaranteeing an SP loss in all pod kill cases.

Belatedly after a negative backlash, he knee jerk added that pods should have higher EHP and be bubble immune which would drastically reduce the instances of pod deaths in null and w-space, thus dumbing down the most hardcore areas of the game.

Dude, you clearly have realized that your original idea was bad, when you are in a hole, stop digging. You need to shut up now and let this thread fade into obscurity.