Ships & Modules

I dunno. Black OPs fleets are already pretty powerful due to their high mobility and ability to pick their engagements and appear out of nowhere. I feel that their inability to field range bonused logi is an appropriate check on their power that keeps them from being able to go toe to toe with traditional fleets of similar size.

Really? Squishy?

Now this is not the best fit. Just wanted to throw something together real quick.


Reps 2,340 HP per cycle
113,000 EHP

The only thing they lack is a range bonus. But I think everyone would agree that would make them OP.



[Proteus, Covert Logi]

1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Energized EM Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Explosive Membrane II
Damage Control II

Experimental 10MN Afterburner I
Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800
Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800

Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Centum A-Type Medium Remote Armor Repairer
Centum A-Type Medium Remote Armor Repairer
Centum A-Type Medium Remote Armor Repairer
Centum A-Type Medium Remote Armor Repairer
Centum A-Type Medium Remote Armor Repairer
[Empty High slot]

Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Remote Repair Augmentor II

Proteus Defensive - Adaptive Augmenter
Proteus Electronics - Friction Extension Processor
Proteus Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
Proteus Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration
Proteus Propulsion - Localized Injectors

The problem was discussed and acknowledged at EVE Vegas. The posts claiming everything is fine or alternate current solutions are wasted.

Sigh.

The discussion at the round table had no solutions. Fozzie when asked, stated that they were aware of the issue and looking into options to correct these issues but did not want to create a new ship to address it, nor create something that would be OP throughout all platforms.

So the thread is to offer a possible resolution that would not create much work. The covert ops subsystem idea would easily limit any bonuses to a specific ship class being used for a specific purpose.

I did not propose any specifics because balancing is not my gig. But I could imagine things like covert sub has a 500% bonus to rep range (probably still not covering the possible jump in spread) and a reduction in the subsystem bonus relating to repair amount or a reduction in modual cycle time.

And yes since the covert mod adds a medium slot over a low slot in a typically armor tank fleet that typically has armor boosts, being required to do virtually 0ms, while being primary, I believe it to be squishier. And I am not going to argue about an effective Blop BS having little more tank than a BC.
Yes yes you can talk about shield fit comps or blob type comps or any other crap that somehow makes you feel l33t, but it does not help correct the issue of either range or rep amount of the current options to adequately support a small BLOP fleet.

This thread was to propose a possibly effective or ineffective idea to a known issue.

Yep, you are.

That said, I'm expecting the RR subs get a decent range bonus in addition to the current strength bonus, something like 150-200% would suffice and make them more useful in this context without stepping on logis toes.

They have a lot more tank than T2 logi cruisers, so they should be operating in hard tackle range, but 6km range is not very practical in many scenarios.