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Citation/Context needed "Ishtars are doing 8% of all pvp damage"

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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#21 - 2014-11-24 14:05:41 UTC
assist the drones, though, and damps don't matter. as long as the target is within drone control range, the drones will shoot, even if the ishtar's targeting range is arm's reach.
afkalt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2014-11-24 14:06:22 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Baneken wrote:
Or just equip damps and Ishtars are forced to come closer


Have you watched any alliance tournaments? That is with a disciplined team.


To be fair, a good number pulled the "LOLRAUDER WUT EWAR" card for exactly that reason.

That said, outside of the confines of a tournament, damping isnt practical in the real world.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#23 - 2014-11-24 14:08:35 UTC
marauders are even more pwnmobile than ishtars. I know quite a few people who are training marauder V. you're going to hear about it in the somewhat-near future.
Ama Scelesta
#24 - 2014-11-24 14:24:35 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
marauders are even more pwnmobile than ishtars. I know quite a few people who are training marauder V. you're going to hear about it in the somewhat-near future.

So what you're saying is that the game needs a drone marauder.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#25 - 2014-11-24 14:40:03 UTC
there's a delay between something being good and people realizing it. it's not just stats, but also how it's used. kind of impossible to give someone the complete picture regarding why something is imba. if OP is waiting for some eureka moment, it's not going to happen. anyone asking why will have to take other people's word for it.
Ocih
Space Mermaids
#26 - 2014-11-24 15:44:41 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
marauders are even more pwnmobile than ishtars. I know quite a few people who are training marauder V. you're going to hear about it in the somewhat-near future.



I can counter a Marauder fleet with stealth bombers. I don't know if I could do the same with an Ishtar fleet.
Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries
VOID Intergalactic Forces
#27 - 2014-11-24 15:49:35 UTC
there is a youtube video of 2 ishtars in null that kill a LOT of people, its by a guy named salty
I cant find it right now but it was salty and his friend doing pve when a local alliance jumped them and they killed a lot of people

"Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith

Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#28 - 2014-11-24 15:50:47 UTC
Ocih wrote:
Rain6637 wrote:
marauders are even more pwnmobile than ishtars. I know quite a few people who are training marauder V. you're going to hear about it in the somewhat-near future.



I can counter a Marauder fleet with stealth bombers. I don't know if I could do the same with an Ishtar fleet.

not everything goes in a fleet.
Amyclas Amatin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2014-11-24 16:40:31 UTC
You're just lucky the CFC doesn't use ishtars on a massive scale, or they'll get nerfed even quicker.

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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#30 - 2014-11-24 16:51:04 UTC
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Iain Cariaba
#31 - 2014-11-24 17:14:26 UTC
afkalt wrote:
Read it here after a corpie mentioned it (after seeing ishtar fleet #54168471837373874138671438133717)

http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/2n138w/cagali_cagali_ishtars_are_doing_8_of_all_pvp/

Anyone have anything more? Context, clarification?

Of have I been trolled?

Shocked

Because a reddit post based off an I'm a twit post with no citation is 100% accurate. Roll
Liafcipe9000
Critically Preposterous
#32 - 2014-11-24 17:40:13 UTC
afkalt wrote:
Inxentas Ultramar wrote:
I'd be more interested in what ship types cause most damage on Ishtars... Blink


Other ishtars What?

all the ishtars
Liafcipe9000
Critically Preposterous
#33 - 2014-11-24 17:42:59 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Regardless of what the 'flavour of the mainstream' is (pun intended), the smart will always find a way to bring it down.

FTFY
afkalt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2014-11-24 17:59:24 UTC
Iain Cariaba wrote:
afkalt wrote:
Read it here after a corpie mentioned it (after seeing ishtar fleet #54168471837373874138671438133717)

http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/2n138w/cagali_cagali_ishtars_are_doing_8_of_all_pvp/

Anyone have anything more? Context, clarification?

Of have I been trolled?

Shocked

Because a reddit post based off an I'm a twit post with no citation is 100% accurate. Roll


There was a reason behind the title and the body of post one being a question you know Smile

I figured that someone else, somewhere would be able to confirm/deny/add details too.

As I said previously - not a "WAAAAA NERF THE ISHTARS", I want to see the rest of the data. I'm curious like that.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#35 - 2014-11-24 19:21:27 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
marauders are even more pwnmobile than ishtars. I know quite a few people who are training marauder V. you're going to hear about it in the somewhat-near future.


good thing I have 3 chars with marauder V I guess? Lol

also bombs have some weaknesses that I would guess marauders are among the best at dealing with. Although at the same time Marauders have some weaknesses that bombers are good at dealing with.

ah well, fleets come and go, I'm not really even confident how much of that is CCP balancing, and how much it is someone comes up with a reasonable counter, although sometimes it seems even after a counter is found CCP comes in with the sledge hammer anyways.

I will say sentry ishtar does seem a bit lulz, although I haven't even tried to shoot at anyone with one. I was just playing around in a few missions the other day to fix my sec status. But I can imagine flying with 100 other pilots with logi backup, and seeing how that could be hard to deal with for many setups.

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Aeryn Maricadie
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2014-11-24 23:09:11 UTC
afkalt wrote:
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Baneken wrote:
Or just equip damps and Ishtars are forced to come closer


Have you watched any alliance tournaments? That is with a disciplined team.


To be fair, a good number pulled the "LOLRAUDER WUT EWAR" card for exactly that reason.

That said, outside of the confines of a tournament, damping isnt practical in the real world.

Damping is Very practical in the real world, just maybe not Ishtars since they can simply assign drones. The ability to assign drones is also one of the reasons they are so dangerous since it makes it much easier for DPS to be switched from primary to primary.
afkalt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2014-11-24 23:45:34 UTC
Sorry I should have been clearer - I was speaking of drone boats. Damps>>>all otherwise.
Cephelange du'Krevviq
Gildinous Vangaurd
The Initiative.
#38 - 2014-11-25 00:37:42 UTC
afkalt wrote:
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Baneken wrote:
Or just equip damps and Ishtars are forced to come closer


Have you watched any alliance tournaments? That is with a disciplined team.


To be fair, a good number pulled the "LOLRAUDER WUT EWAR" card for exactly that reason.

That said, outside of the confines of a tournament, damping isnt practical in the real world.



Damp their logi and force them to close and get blapped and/or blap the Ishtars while they are without reps.

"I am a leaf on the...ah, frak it!"

Tusker Crazinski
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#39 - 2014-11-25 00:47:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Tusker Crazinski
what I would like to see is what percentage of all damage done in the game is from drones.

advantages of drones vs guns is insane

drone pros
- no grid
- no CPU
- no cap
- no ammo
- no slots
- interchangeable-- seriously what If a vaga could have a full rack of 200, 425 and 800mm ACs
- damage selectability
- virtually EWAR Immune
- generally better projection
- generally better DPS
- generally better application (virtually un-mitigatable damage)
- Opens up highs for a second weapon system, RRs, nuets, smarties or what have you

- you don't have to mind your speed, vector, range, and sig; target speed, vector, range, and sig. instead a huge Sphere of "yes these drones will hit you"

drone cons
- can be shot... most drones get a drone HP buff
- no overheat
- god awful UI


gun pros
- insta-hit.... but sentuiries do this as well
- overheat
- good UI

gun cons
- fully avoidable damage
- range sensitive
- target velocity sensitive
- shooters velocity sensitive
- **** it pretty much all the pros for drones in reverse

but as far as the Ishtar goes drones are a bit OP, the Ishtar is OP among drone boats. on top off all the advantages of drones I don't think there is a single cruiser capable of it's DPS

hell I don't think there are BCs capable of doing the damage it dose beyond 70km, I know the myrm can't because it's down 25mb/s and the extra bonuses.
Caldari 5
D.I.L.L.I.G.A.F. S.A.S
Affirmative.
#40 - 2014-11-25 01:45:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Caldari 5
Iain Cariaba wrote:
afkalt wrote:
Read it here after a corpie mentioned it (after seeing ishtar fleet #54168471837373874138671438133717)

http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/2n138w/cagali_cagali_ishtars_are_doing_8_of_all_pvp/

Anyone have anything more? Context, clarification?

Of have I been trolled?

Shocked

Because a reddit post based off an I'm a twit post with no citation is 100% accurate. Roll

Actually if the reddit poster was at Eve Down Under he probably got the 8% figure from CCP Rise's Presentation.

I don't have a photographic memory and can't remember the other ships and percentages that were on that slide.
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