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How much is "safe" to haul in a T1 industrial?

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Cargo Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1 - 2014-11-23 20:58:52 UTC
I've got shield extenders, but I'm not going to last long if someone wanted to gank me.

About what cap on the value of my cargo should I place so that people won't bother? I've been at 60m so far without any problems. Is 100m pushing it too far?

Thanks,
Tyyler DURden
Mordechai and Sons Distribution Co.
#2 - 2014-11-23 21:02:21 UTC
As much as you want if you know what your doin. Dont be asleep at the wheel.

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Cargo Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#3 - 2014-11-23 21:52:39 UTC
I tried running 300m when I was first learning, and got insta-locked/popped as I was trying to align after jumping through a stargate. I wasn't AFK, they just nabbed me.
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#4 - 2014-11-23 21:56:23 UTC
Think about how much tank you have and how many ships it would take to bring you down. Resists are important here, use the lowest figure like in the EVE fitting window. Then, take into account whether you're autopiloting or actually warping gate-to-gate, your align time, your route, whether you're cloak/MWDing, what time of day it is, etc... Basically if you're not autopiloting you can safely carry a lot more. All depends on how much you're prepared to lose (that includes the laughs you're giving up on the KM, too).

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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#5 - 2014-11-23 22:03:21 UTC
A single nado will probably be able to alpha you off the grid. That means the cost to gank is about 80 mil. Plan accordingly. I would think 200 mil is a hard cap, and I'd try to keep it under 150 mil.
voetius
Grundrisse
#6 - 2014-11-23 22:34:48 UTC

Have you considered using one of the hauling firms like Red Frog or Push Industries? The 300mill you lost could have paid for 600 jumps at 500k per jump and as long as you set the collateral right you only have to wait.
CODE Agent AC
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#7 - 2014-11-23 22:49:12 UTC
I would suggest the purchase of a permit to completely ensure safety.

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Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#8 - 2014-11-23 22:59:06 UTC
I see little reason to consider hauling yourself when you can pay a useful idiot (the polite term is public courier contractor) to take all of the risk for a minute fraction of the reward.

These useful idiots are a valuable resource.

Prior to me being permanently under wardecs, I used to do only urgent hauling myself, and had a limit: 50 million in a T1 hauler, 200 million in a Gnosis (they actually can haul more than you think, with a decent shield tank and serious EWAR in the form of neuts), and 2 billion in an interceptor.

Anything that requires an Orca or a freighter is split into parcels of a billion or less (preferably much less) and placed up as a ridiculously low paying contract if it's not urgent, and a merely low paying one if it is.

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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#9 - 2014-11-23 23:31:17 UTC
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
I see little reason to consider hauling yourself when you can pay a useful idiot (the polite term is public courier contractor) to take all of the risk for a minute fraction of the reward.

These useful idiots are a valuable resource.

Prior to me being permanently under wardecs, I used to do only urgent hauling myself, and had a limit: 50 million in a T1 hauler, 200 million in a Gnosis (they actually can haul more than you think, with a decent shield tank and serious EWAR in the form of neuts), and 2 billion in an interceptor.

Anything that requires an Orca or a freighter is split into parcels of a billion or less (preferably much less) and placed up as a ridiculously low paying contract if it's not urgent, and a merely low paying one if it is.


This is my policy as well. Hauling can be outsourced risklessly for dirt cheap prices.
Jur Tissant
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2014-11-24 05:05:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Jur Tissant
Depends on your defenses and sec status. I haul through a few high-sec jumps with about 300mil ISK of PI in an Epithal, because I can fit the MWD+cloak trick (I still tend to avoid Uedama, of course). This trick makes you practically invulnerable in high-sec, if you actively use it. Same for the Badger. The Itty is a bit disappointing because it can hold a whopping 35k-40k m3 with a decent fit but the tank and align are just terrible.
Aeryn Maricadie
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2014-11-24 06:25:01 UTC
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
I see little reason to consider hauling yourself when you can pay a useful idiot (the polite term is public courier contractor) to take all of the risk for a minute fraction of the reward.

These useful idiots are a valuable resource.

Prior to me being permanently under wardecs, I used to do only urgent hauling myself, and had a limit: 50 million in a T1 hauler, 200 million in a Gnosis (they actually can haul more than you think, with a decent shield tank and serious EWAR in the form of neuts), and 2 billion in an interceptor.

Anything that requires an Orca or a freighter is split into parcels of a billion or less (preferably much less) and placed up as a ridiculously low paying contract if it's not urgent, and a merely low paying one if it is.

I do similar things however I go to about 100 mil in haulers (tanked, piloted, and warp stabbed) faction modules, blue loot, nano-ribbons and the like go in bait tanked combat ships (drakes/gnosis/prophecy/T3) never had a problem with them

an Interceptor on the other hand I have lost to a gate camp. I was on my way (thank bob) to Jita to pick up a fed navy stasis web, took a shortcut through low and lost it to another interceptor and a gnosis, I'm guessing the interceptor was probly Sebo'd and remote sebo'd by the gnosis and i only had one nanofiber on as well.

I also lost a bomber during a wardec undocking in Amarr, I thought I could make it to an insta-undock, but as it turns out with enough Sebo's you can lock even a frigate in the time it takes to initiate warp (when you lose your invulnerability) to the time they actually do warp even if they are prealigned

Point is enough Sebo's will get you I would not trust 2 bill in a frigate.
Aeryn Maricadie
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2014-11-24 06:30:35 UTC
Cargo Virpio wrote:
I've got shield extenders, but I'm not going to last long if someone wanted to gank me.

About what cap on the value of my cargo should I place so that people won't bother? I've been at 60m so far without any problems. Is 100m pushing it too far?

Thanks,

Ive gone up to 150 in haulers and never had a problem, also since at that level you are most likely to be attacked by blaster catalysts stacking kinetic/therm resists will help your shield go farther
Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#13 - 2014-11-24 06:49:50 UTC
Scout tank best tank.

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ggodhsup
relocation LLC.
#14 - 2014-11-24 07:30:23 UTC  |  Edited by: ggodhsup
Veers Belvar wrote:
A single nado will probably be able to alpha you off the grid. That means the cost to gank is about 80 mil. Plan accordingly. I would think 200 mil is a hard cap, and I'd try to keep it under 150 mil.



^^.......this guy.......anything worth that much can be moved in an interceptor......and if its worth more get some stabs.

even more so....if you are moving enough cargo for a hauler.....you need a t2.

really though......i wouldnt move more than the the hull cost in a t1 hauler.....more though.....dont afk....fit a tank....and dont afk.

you should be fine......on the other hand.....i wont pay for your mistakes......but experience is making them frequently(mistakes)....so feel free to just run t1 haulers through high sec to see how quickly you can do it.

ive moved BPO's and faction goodies through 0.0 without much problem.....your hauler in high-sec should be easy...

a couple runs through low-sec with nothing will build a little confidence. the more you practice....the better.

its no fun if you dont take chances

and it is supposed to be fun.

EDIT: ive moved hundreds of millions worth of goods in an inty and been good......if you need to move ships....find someone more financially stable.....because a hauler is a death trap.
Syllviaa
Hole Exploitation Inc.
#15 - 2014-11-24 08:02:35 UTC
Evening nothing isn't safe.

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Domino Vyse
FeedingMachine
War and Wormhole
#16 - 2014-11-24 09:38:43 UTC
Just move everything in one go.

Less time in space = less risk
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#17 - 2014-11-24 10:23:18 UTC
Cargo Virpio wrote:
I've got shield extenders, but I'm not going to last long if someone wanted to gank me.

About what cap on the value of my cargo should I place so that people won't bother? I've been at 60m so far without any problems. Is 100m pushing it too far?

Thanks,


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Ned Thomas
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2014-11-24 12:56:34 UTC
I generally dislike having more than 50 mil in a t1 hauler.
Jean Luc Lemmont
Carebears on Fire
#19 - 2014-11-24 15:38:54 UTC
My advice, if you are routinely carrying a few hundred million (like 300 or less) would be to train into a Deep Space Transport. You'll get a much sturdier ship (T2 resists), the ability to fit a good buffer tank (80-90k EHP), and a +2 warp stength bonus. As an added benefit, you'll be able to fly blockade runners, which move like greased swine when properly fit if what you're moving is small.

As always implants to match you choice of damage avoidance. My BR alt uses a full set of midgrade nomads and the Prowler aligns like destroyer with that set up. In the armor DSTs, you can go for align, or use a set of slaves to push your EHP up further.

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Mortlake
Republic Military School
#20 - 2014-11-24 15:41:45 UTC
Possibly...

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