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Tyrel Toov
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#141 - 2014-12-04 16:38:16 UTC
I know, lets all take up terrorism and see who can get the best results.....

I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
#142 - 2014-12-04 18:10:25 UTC
Spreading fear? Can't match the Empire or even empires for that. Hostage taking? Most of my entire people were taken and are now held as such. Terror? Ever seen the golden hulls invade the Republic Space? Seen the Tribes flow across the borders? Supercarriers rammed into stations? Titans holding entire worlds hostage?

There is nothing any of us can do to match our respective homes and entities we proclaim loyalty to when it comes to terrorism. If we are ever to actually achieve anything at all for whatever ideals or causes we cling to, it requires thinking big. It requires acts of terror or mercy so great that they are nigh inconceivable.

In short, go big or go home. Everything else is just a waste of time and lives.
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#143 - 2014-12-04 18:21:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Valerie Valate
The argument to compassion will fall upon deaf ears.

You see, I have met this type of angry zealot before.

They believe that a slave is "Better Off Dead", than to continue living as a slave. "Better a Noble Death than a Life of Shame" and so on as well.

So you see, when they kill 1 (one), Amarr capsuleer, and someone such as say Nauplius, kills tens of thousands of slaves in retribution, they simply rationalise it away as "Those slaves are better off dead".

So, in this dread arithmetic, the numbers killed by Nauplius are simply not a factor in the argument.

So, they'll maybe murder a dozen or so Amarr. And a few million Minmatar will be killed by Nauplius in revenge. But they don't matter.

And it is this, complete disregard for the lives of those slaves, that makes the perpetrator, no different from those that they claim to be bringing to "justice".

Phanca Zanjoahir may be dead, because her father disregarded the lives of "A few hundred" Minmatar. But now, a few tens of thousands more are dead at the hands of Nauplius as a result.

But those tens of thousands don't count. There will be no-one to seek justice for them. Because the masked perpetrator believes they are "better off dead".

+1 murderspree.

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#144 - 2014-12-04 18:51:34 UTC
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:
Spreading fear? Can't match the Empire or even empires for that. Hostage taking? Most of my entire people were taken and are now held as such. Terror? Ever seen the golden hulls invade the Republic Space? Seen the Tribes flow across the borders? Supercarriers rammed into stations? Titans holding entire worlds hostage?

There is nothing any of us can do to match our respective homes and entities we proclaim loyalty to when it comes to terrorism. If we are ever to actually achieve anything at all for whatever ideals or causes we cling to, it requires thinking big. It requires acts of terror or mercy so great that they are nigh inconceivable.

In short, go big or go home. Everything else is just a waste of time and lives.


Well, now you put your finger on the issue. Since very few of us are capable of either significant acts of mercy or terror - why should we seek to make a difference in that way? Despite all my hectic dashing about in the warzone, which is how I support my other work, I suspect it is my 'hobby projects' that will have the most impact on society, in the long run.

Acts of either terrorism or mercy seldom have much impact - it's best to consider longer term works. Get into politics. Look into charity. Improve the average lot of your society's citizens.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#145 - 2014-12-04 19:44:28 UTC
Lunarisse Aspenstar wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:

Worse, the guy appears to be Amarrian himself. Or at least a naturalised slave within the Empire - so we certainly can't discount the possibility that this is a false-flag action meant to make the Minmatar look bad.


Mr. Tuulinen and Ms. Vess,

Respectfully, the monster in question has yet to identify himself or his origin. There is no more basis to contend he is an insane Amarr than to contend that his large frame and his initial comments about the Caldari alliance complaining that "The Empire has thrown its lot in with the Caldari State and its perpetual war" might even suggest he is a insane Civre with an ax to grind.

In all events, by his deeds, if he was Amarr, he is no longer and I expect his name would be stricken from the Book of Records. I also question the veracity of these "accounts". Concord's control over clones is all but sacrosanct. I certainly will lose no sleep over him and his purported claims.

Cordially,

Lunarisse Aspenstar Daphiti

I can't agree with this, Lady Aspenstar.

He is obviously gallententean: anti-slavery propaganda, unacceptance of other culture, terrorism, killing of the weaker, judging others for crimes they didn't commit, and this reference about Our State.
Gallentean definitely.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Tyrel Toov
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#146 - 2014-12-04 21:31:40 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Lunarisse Aspenstar wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:

Worse, the guy appears to be Amarrian himself. Or at least a naturalised slave within the Empire - so we certainly can't discount the possibility that this is a false-flag action meant to make the Minmatar look bad.


Mr. Tuulinen and Ms. Vess,

Respectfully, the monster in question has yet to identify himself or his origin. There is no more basis to contend he is an insane Amarr than to contend that his large frame and his initial comments about the Caldari alliance complaining that "The Empire has thrown its lot in with the Caldari State and its perpetual war" might even suggest he is a insane Civre with an ax to grind.

In all events, by his deeds, if he was Amarr, he is no longer and I expect his name would be stricken from the Book of Records. I also question the veracity of these "accounts". Concord's control over clones is all but sacrosanct. I certainly will lose no sleep over him and his purported claims.

Cordially,

Lunarisse Aspenstar Daphiti

I can't agree with this, Lady Aspenstar.

He is obviously gallententean: anti-slavery propaganda, unacceptance of other culture, terrorism, killing of the weaker, judging others for crimes they didn't commit, and this reference about Our State.
Gallentean definitely.

Can we please not do this? I actually unblocked you because you where talking sense in previous threads, ruin it by draging that anti-Gallente crap where it dosen't belong. That faction has nothing to do with this topic.

I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
Mitara Newelle
Newelle Family
#147 - 2014-12-04 21:37:19 UTC
First, I would commend the late Phanca Zanjoahir for not utilizing so called 'soft-clone' technology. May God's Grace be given to you for your Faith.

As to this murderer - You are a coward of the worst kind. Yes we capsuleers are all monsters, but I have yet to see even the lowest hide behind hijacked Neocoms and then brag about their sins.

Until now.

Egotistical and scared.

You are pathetic.

Lady Mitara Newelle of House Sarum, Holder of the Mekhios province of Damnidios Para'nashu, Champion of House Sarum, Sworn Upholder of the Faith, Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade

Admiral of Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#148 - 2014-12-05 02:56:56 UTC
I'm pretty sure he's not Amarian, His new mouth piece was sitting on rockets in that 3rd video. And really he spoke of the Amarians entering in war along side the Caldari which he didn't seem to fond of in the first recording. It seems to me he's either Gallante (due to the first recording) or Caldari (due to the rockets). Maybe this has been pointed out already, Either way I just noticed it...
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#149 - 2014-12-05 04:09:31 UTC
You do realise that Caldari ships aren't the only ships that use rockets, right? Quite a lot of Khanid-designed frigates use rockets as their primary weapon system, and there are Minmatar ships that can fit them, even if the frigate wasn't designed with that as a first choice.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#150 - 2014-12-05 04:47:26 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
You do realise that Caldari ships aren't the only ships that use rockets, right? Quite a lot of Khanid-designed frigates use rockets as their primary weapon system, and there are Minmatar ships that can fit them, even if the frigate wasn't designed with that as a first choice.


I am aware of that though, Its more so he said himself he wasn't Matari, and while yes they use them, my first guess wouldn't be that they would be for a Khanid-designed ship. Having his mouth piece litterally sitting on them leads me to believe it wasn't by accident he's drawing attention to them.

Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#151 - 2014-12-05 07:41:49 UTC
Tyrel Toov wrote:
Can we please not do this? I actually unblocked you because you where talking sense in previous threads, ruin it by draging that anti-Gallente crap where it dosen't belong. That faction has nothing to do with this topic.

If someone like the aforementioned continually derails threads with inrrelevant ranting, you can report them to the ISD, who will, eventually, dispatch a CRC representative to deal with the issue. It's what I do.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Arita Sierra
Doomheim
#152 - 2014-12-05 07:57:12 UTC
Transmission begins and shows you a Khanid girl, appearing to be in her late teens, kneeling down on the floor. Her arms are twisted behind her back, and adorning her face is a gag, preventing her from speaking. A stream of dried blood runs down from her right eyebrow.

"Nauplius, this woman has been created to be used as a weapon against innocents. Just like you did, she was bound to cause death where it is unnecessary."

A tall, slender figure wearing an Amarrian hooded robe and a Molok mask steps into the picture, standing to the right of the girl, and points a firearm at the base of her neck.

"Perhaps I cannot stop you, or everyone like you. I can stop some, however, and undo some of the depravities that we- that the Amarrians have caused to this world."

The girl raises her head towards the masked figure, a pleading look in her eyes, and shakes it.

"What has been started cannot be stopped, and I will get rid of every one of her kind. My hand has been forced into doing this, but it is for the good of us all. Alea iacta est."

The girl's eyes widen as the masked figure discharges a round into her neck.

Transmission ends.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#153 - 2014-12-05 16:12:24 UTC
I hate being right. How long before another 20000 Minmatar slaves get sacrificed to the Red God?

What I would like all of you to realise is that there is NO cause in this thread, by this point, this is just two murdering sociopaths using each other as a reason to indulge their vices.

"Everytime you take a drink, I'm going to snort some of this crash."
"Everytime you snort some of that crash, I'm going to take a drink."

Newsflash. This is an alcoholic and a crash head talking.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Havohej
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#154 - 2014-12-05 16:31:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Havohej
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
I hate being right. How long before another 20000 Minmatar slaves get sacrificed to the Red God?

What I would like all of you to realise is that there is NO cause in this thread, by this point, this is just two murdering sociopaths using each other as a reason to indulge their vices.

"Everytime you take a drink, I'm going to snort some of this crash."
"Everytime you snort some of that crash, I'm going to take a drink."

Newsflash. This is an alcoholic and a crash head talking.

*The feed opens up with a middle-aged Ni-Kunni woman sitting in a chair, her facial expression stoic. The the woman is calm of demeanor, the dark eyes staring into the camera betray her malaise. After a few seconds, she glances sharply up and to her left, apparently at some off-screen cue. Lifting a small datapad, she reads in a firm, clear voice:*

There is no "Red God". Those people were sacrificed to the psychosis and hubris of an infomorph. Infomorphs are a genus like any other, with subgenera. Some Infomorphs present and behave as prey animals. Most, however, are predators. Some of these predators behave like trapdoor spiders from the deserts of Pator, laying in wait for prey to wander close enough to their killer. Others make webs in the form of drag bubbles or remote sensor boosted HICs. Others actively hunt for targets with packs of other Infomorphs trailing behind them, waiting to catch the scent of prey.

Nauplius is a different sort of predator, but a predator nonetheless.

Which sort of predator are you, Pilot Tuulinen? Your kill history suggests you are a packhunter, and a fairly efficient one at that. You should hunt Nauplius as some of your corpmates have done.

You will not stop him. But you can at least delay him at whatever he is doing at the moment you find and kill him. You can cost him some ISK.

Which, at least, is more effective than being "right" here on the IGS.

*When the woman finishes reading this prepared statement, she glances again to something or someone just off-screen as the recording terminates.*

Strike us like matches, 'cause everyone deserves the flames.

OOC Forums @ Backstage
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#155 - 2014-12-05 17:11:14 UTC
Everyone needs a hobby, dear puppet of Havohej.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#156 - 2014-12-05 17:33:02 UTC
Notice how both the victims have been pretty young blondes?

Now taking bets that the rhetoric is just covering for perversion.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders
Synthetic Cultist
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#157 - 2014-12-05 17:42:52 UTC
Stitcher wrote:
Notice how both the victims have been pretty young blondes?

Now taking bets that the rhetoric is just covering for perversion.


Should I or my Corporation Members be Concerned ?

Synthia 1, Empress of Kaztropol.

It is Written.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#158 - 2014-12-05 17:46:18 UTC
Stitcher wrote:
Notice how both the victims have been pretty young blondes?

Now taking bets that the rhetoric is just covering for perversion.


That is quite worrying. Victims 1 and 3 were female and blonde, but victim 2 was male and darker haired, I believe.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Liuni Kalthis
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#159 - 2014-12-05 18:09:32 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Stitcher wrote:
Notice how both the victims have been pretty young blondes?

Now taking bets that the rhetoric is just covering for perversion.


That is quite worrying. Victims 1 and 3 were female and blonde, but victim 2 was male and darker haired, I believe.


Everyone has their experimental phase Pieter.
Lunarisse Aspenstar
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#160 - 2014-12-05 19:14:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Lunarisse Aspenstar
Synthetic Cultist wrote:
Stitcher wrote:
Notice how both the victims have been pretty young blondes?

Now taking bets that the rhetoric is just covering for perversion.


Should I or my Corporation Members be Concerned ?


That apparent fetish is disturbing. Of course this whole mess is disturbing.