Player Features and Ideas Discussion

We were responding to someone who asked for proof of inflation. I'm not saying the inflation is bad, I'm saying there definitely is inflation.

I think he was saying that if faction items got too cheap, nobody would want tech 2 anymore. But there's a long ways to go before that happens. It's just kind of retárded when the faction variant costs a hundred times as much as tech 2 and actually has lower stats. Some faction items offer very strong advantages (Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer), and some are completely useless (Shadow Serpentis Large Blasters). It'd be nice if faction items were adjusted to offer bonuses more in line with their listed meta values, and then have their prices diminished a lot. If you cut their LP cost to 1/4th across the board, it would not trash the value of the LPs, on the contrary you might see as much as or more than a 300% increase in how often they are purchased and used because they'll start getting fitted onto throw-away ships instead of only on carebear blingships.

Plex price went so high because :
1. Isk have no value , and plex at the same time constant value = 1 month of subscription.
Why keep your isk in ISK that constantly loose value if you can buy plex, you can always pay 1 month of subscription, and if you sell this plex for isk , you will get the same isk you paid for it.
2.Dual and tripple character skilling.
People need more plexes.
3. Alt accounts
How many alt accounts do you have?
1, 2? 20? 30?
This is not a joke, many people have more than a dozen alt accounts. Those people usually pay subscription for 1-2 main accounts, and use income generated by alt accounts to plex them.
You can easily maintain those accounts if you have:
- 1 alt making isk on PI/Mining/Ratting
- 1 cyno alt
- 1 alt skilled just to sell it at some point
4. Eve : Skills Offline
Many players didn't like capital swarms, and gigantic renter empires we had and still have now.
They didn't quit eve, just use their assets and isk to plex 1-2 accounts and skill characters while waiting or something to change.
(btw. CCP we are waiting for SOV changes)
5.Specific role of plex.
This is not any other item in eve. You cannot produce it, it don't drop any where - someone have to buy one from CCP in order for it to get on the market.
6.Speculation.
When you consider the above it is easy to raise price of the plex few millions every day.

Like you see , plex will have always some additional value , that will not be affected by isk sinks, because unless CCP adds something that will allow people to run their alt accounts for isk , plex demand will be stable.

Yes at some point it is possible that plex will be worth less isk, but i don't think it will lose value when you compare plex price to ship hull prices or something similar showing current eve health status.


So please don't link ISK sinks to Plex prices.
Isk sinks will reduce only speculation, and only when much more than now isk will be removed from the system.

If you want cheep plexes on the market ask CCP for big promotion, this can reduce nicely ISK prices.

My goal , and goal of this topic is to stop or reduce the inflation that makes ship hulls, modules , ammo more expensive every month.

If i have 500mil i prefer to buy 5 ships and loose them in flames of glory , rather buy 1 ship and be afraid to undock , as i don't have any spare ships now.

Boosting income will just speedup the inflation , and have very bad impact on the new players.

True enough and an important point, there is definitely inflation over time. The issue would be whether it is healthy or out of control. Right now my opinion would be that it's fine at the moment. I would imagine that CCP keep a very close eye on this kind of thing so not to really tic everyone off with prices rising too fast

Removed some off topic posts.

They did that because they almost nerfed links and gave shield boosters and armor reps a tiny buff in hp/s.

But what happened was:

CCP said logi too stronkh', nerf all ships with resistence

We: But why not nerf logi instead??

CCP: buff shield boosters and armor reps by 10% and here take ancillery boosters and reps

We: .....

CCP: and pls don't make duoble-xl-asb fits in the tournament, that's crazy

We: ...but you gave us

CCP: nah, we said it's interesting gameplay, so make it interesting

We:

lol yes.

This would be an excellent way to teach newer players how to fit ships. Eve has always had a accessibility barrier, and new players need mentors to thrive. This would be a way to breach (partially) that barrier.

On another note, I heard insurance mentioned more than a few times. "It needs to go," seems to be a popular motif. I'd turn that around a bit to, "it needs to be replaced with an SRP."

When you bought insurance, it'd take a snapshot of your ship at that station. The NPCs there would then place market orders for M0 versions of the parts and your ship would be prefitted and ready to go. Only one snapshot per ship could exist at any time, but any number of different ships could have a snapshot. There's even the potential for this to extend this to creating a buy-in option for corp or alliance fitted ships, or creating a skill for allowing additional snapshots similar to jump clones.

Cost for replacing the ship would same as if you bought the parts on the market, but instead of giving you 2/3 of the cost of the ship, this would give you a new ship ready to go immediately. As a total carebear (look up my killmails, I dare you ), this would get even me into PvP if I could have a set ship ready to go.

[Barrier to entry for PvP = BAD], therefore [Ease of access to PvP = GOOD]

The cons to this are that it would be NPCs creating the buy orders not other players, thus reducing an element of player interaction. My question regarding this would be one of loss vs gain. Is the loss of some market interaction between players worth reducing the barrier of entry to PvP?

This would also increase the ISK sink that insurance was clearly intended to be (but isn't).

As a pure sink:

Wages for the crew of the ship whilst active in space, scaled by the size of the ship.

So deeming a set value of isk/hour in space as 'x', frigates would be 0.5x isk/hour, destroyers would be 1.0x, cruisers 1.5x etc. T2 ships could have an additional multiplier (higher skilled ships would require a more specialized crew). Factional ships could have a cost benefit in terms of cheaper to run (as they have a more expensive initial outlay).

This could be interesting, and i could also vote for this.
But what about people :
- who own a super, and don't use it, it is just logged out somewhere on the alt account
- what about unsubbed accounts
- what about people who bought supers before this change?
- what about groups who need supers to compete with current "super powers" ?

I think it is to late to change those rules.

I don't include here for example True Sansha stuff, and dead space.
Just the normal version of all pirate stuff.